  kapilThe Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | Now... ...if the Now Network would also move to EV-DV and REV B, we'll be all set and we can stop with this WiMax distraction until they build out their LTE network.
Also, the $10 "premium data" fee is now for all smartphones, those that support 4G and even those that don't. Which is a bunch of bullcrap because I've had a smartphone with them for ages and my usage hasn't changed but my cost will as soon as I upgrade to a new phone. | |
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 | | | Re: Now... said by kapil:...if the Now Network would also move to EV-DV and REV B, we'll be all set and we can stop with this WiMax distraction until they build out their LTE network.
EV-DV? That's long since dead and it ain't coming back. Rev. B? I'm still skeptical considering that that rumor started on a small blog site and has kind of spread like a wild fire since then. It would be a nice stop gap measure on the way to LTE imo, but we'll see on October 7th. | |
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| |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Now... said by SteelerRaw :said by kapil:...if the Now Network would also move to EV-DV and REV B, we'll be all set and we can stop with this WiMax distraction until they build out their LTE network.
EV-DV? That's long since dead and it ain't coming back. Rev. B? I'm still skeptical considering that that rumor started on a small blog site and has kind of spread like a wild fire since then. It would be a nice stop gap measure on the way to LTE imo, but we'll see on October 7th. Sprint has no plans to expand EVDO beyond Revision A. Nor do they have plans to scrap WiMax for the foreseeable future. (WiMax has benefits over LTE in certain circumstances.) LTE will be their core offering however, but both EVDO and WiMax will still play a role in their Network Vision retrofit.
Expect to see EVDO/LTE/WiMax single chip solutions soon in support of Sprint's retrofit. | |
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| | | | MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Now... said by swintec:A user of SprintUsers.com actually was at a meeting with Sprint folks and learned what all of the plans were which will be laid out on the 7th. He says expect some exciting stuff. That was all he could say though due to NDA.
Sprint came in and gave us a 2 hour presentation on their Network Vision upgrade a few weeks ago. I didn't have to sign an NDA though.
The only thing magical I was told about the 7th, was that is about the time the iPhone 4 and 5 will be for sale at Sprint. It could be the WiMax iPad 2 also though, however that wasn't in the presentation I was given. | |
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Now... said by swintec:Do you have a load of accounts with them which made them give the presentation for you guys?
We have over 250,000 employees and they would like us to buy more of their phones than their competitors phones. | |
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| said by kapil:Also, the $10 "premium data" fee is now for all smartphones, those that support 4G and even those that don't. Which is a bunch of bullcrap because I've had a smartphone with them for ages and my usage hasn't changed but my cost will as soon as I upgrade to a new phone.
That is not correct. If you get the Samsung Replenish they waive the $10 per month premium data fee »green.sprint.com/replenish.php | |
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| | MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Now... said by bakedbean:said by kapil:Also, the $10 "premium data" fee is now for all smartphones, those that support 4G and even those that don't. Which is a bunch of bullcrap because I've had a smartphone with them for ages and my usage hasn't changed but my cost will as soon as I upgrade to a new phone.
That is not correct. If you get the Samsung Replenish they waive the $10 per month premium data fee » green.sprint.com/replenish.php Rather, they give you a $10 bill credit. That is quite a bit different from "waiving" the fee. | |
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| Re: Now... said by Matt:Rather, they give you a $10 bill credit. That is quite a bit different from "waiving" the fee.
Try reading the key features of the phone next time.
"Special Offer: Monthly required $10 Premium Data Add-on charge is waived for savings. Not transferable to other devices." | |
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| | | | MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: Now... said by bakedbean:said by Matt:Rather, they give you a $10 bill credit. That is quite a bit different from "waiving" the fee.
Try reading the key features of the phone next time. "Special Offer: Monthly required $10 Premium Data Add-on charge is waived for savings. Not transferable to other devices." The text on the front page stated "$10 credit." It has now been updated to say, "$10 off." | |
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| Won't Last I can't believe that Sprint's position on metered billing will last very long. The trend is toward metered billing. This, interestingly enough, coincides with the trend toward cloud computing. Both of those trends mesh completely with the "Give me all your money" trend that has been the only True Trend of all businesses since time immemorial. At some point, Sprint will need to satisfy its investors and succumb to the trend. | |
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| |  Jon GebWal-Mart Sucks
join:2001-01-09
Howell, MI | Re: Won't Last WHAT?
Sprint has a disastrously overloaded 3G network. Its the slowest 3G in American. Even Sprint employees on the official Sprint forum have admitted to overloaded towers. | |
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| | | | | Re: Won't Last Disastrous? See results below, they are slower but usable. | |
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| YMMV unlimited with an asterisk and 20pt fine print (readable) with exactly what it means... 2-3k voice minues per month "limit" and consuming less than the top 5% of bandwidth or "X" gigabytes per month.. gives said company the right to "throttle" or otherwise arbirarily institute a Fair Access Plan similar to what satellite broadband, and until the Comcast lawsuit resulted in a 250gb soft cap was also implementing on a (in this case only) discriminatory methodology. this is thorny territory so it's not surprising why carriers want to do away with unlimited when handsets make it so easy to consume data much the same we we do with wired broadband.
... and this is just about the *BEST* the industry has to offer under current supply/demand and spectrum availability.
Food for thought.. AT&T and VERIZON have a vested interest in not having wireless cannibalize wired networks for the time being until they can figure out how to drag more money out of the consumer; so it's not surprising these two companies are the ones who feel very much in support of duopolizing the market until prices are high enough that wireline cord cutting doesn't negatively impact earnings. | |
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Jon GebWal-Mart Sucks
join:2001-01-09
Howell, MI | 3G unusable/4G very small coverage Unless you live in a MAJOR city not named Phoenix/Detroit or San Diego... You most likely don't have 4G. Verizon has probably 75% more coverage in 9 months then Sprint accomplished in 3 years.
The 3G network is unusable. It literally is no faster then dialup. Most websites timeout and the ones that don't generally receive speeds around 200kps download or less. Its far less then the 1.5mbps average that Verizon 3G gets or the 2mbps+ that AT&T gets.
If Sprint improved the backhaul and deployed Rev B we would be in a similar situation that AT&T or T-Mobile have with HSDPA+. I would be thrilled. Most likely with a software upgrade to the flagship EVO 3D, they could consider Rev B (4G) using current reduced standards. | |
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| MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: 3G unusable/4G very small coverage said by Jon Geb:Unless you live in a MAJOR city not named Phoenix/Detroit or San Diego... You most likely don't have 4G. Verizon has probably 75% more coverage in 9 months then Sprint accomplished in 3 years.
The 3G network is unusable. It literally is no faster then dialup. Most websites timeout and the ones that don't generally receive speeds around 200kps download or less. Its far less then the 1.5mbps average that Verizon 3G gets or the 2mbps+ that AT&T gets.
If Sprint improved the backhaul and deployed Rev B we would be in a similar situation that AT&T or T-Mobile have with HSDPA+. I would be thrilled. Most likely with a software upgrade to the flagship EVO 3D, they could consider Rev B (4G) using current reduced standards.
»www.netindex.com/download/2,1/United-States/
Sprint is above Verizon Wireless with a 1.47Mbps average download speed. The data doesn't seem to support your experience. | |
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| | Jon GebWal-Mart Sucks
join:2001-01-09
Howell, MI
2 edits | Re: 3G unusable/4G very small coverage Sprint has a nationwide average 3G speed of .59Mbps.
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| | | MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12
1 edit | Re: 3G unusable/4G very small coverage said by Jon Geb:Sprint has a nationwide average 3G speed of .59Mbps.
That is a much smaller sample size than the speedtest.net archive. IIRC, that was a test of 11 cities done by PC Magazine. The speedtest.net archive consists of tens of thousands of users from all across the country. | |
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| | | | | | Re: 3G unusable/4G very small coverage Those tests seem reasonable. The Sprint 3G speeds are good enough for streaming music and often fine for Netflix (I'm usually in 4G but Netflix does work with Sprint 3G for me). I tend to get about 600K-1Mbps for 3G and 4-10Mbps for 4G (new Samsung phone has shown over 12 at times). I can't think of a phone app yet than needs more than 3-4Mbps. For tethering, 4Mbps is plenty for casual use.
For heavy data users, unlimited may be more important than more speed than they need. | |
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join:2001-01-09
Howell, MI | Re: 3G unusable/4G very small coverage Having a 4G option probably offloads a lot of data from the Sprint network. | |
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join:2008-09-26
Winnetka, IL
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| said by Matt:said by Jon Geb:Sprint has a nationwide average 3G speed of .59Mbps.
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That is a much smaller sample size than the speedtest.net archive. IIRC, that was a test of 11 cities done by PC Magazine. The speedtest.net archive consists of tens of thousands of users from all across the country. WTF? I regularly get 4-6 Mbps 4G and 1mbps 3G on my Evo Shift 4G... I live north of chicago, get 1-2 bars average, and never have a problem...
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That is chart is 100% bullshit according to what I’ve experienced with Sprint. 3G averages about 2.25Mb Down/750 Kb Up, 4G averages 15Mb+ Down/1.50 Mb up. Even in my house, located in a rural area in the middle of nowhere, with a signal strength of -100 dB I get 1Mb Down/400Kb Up on average on 3G
Here’s some results from more populated towns:
Sprint 3G
Sprint 4G
Here’s AT&Ts craptastic network. Took this from my iPhone days before I got rid of it. It was full bar 3G in a major suburb of Buffalo. I was in a parking lot, around the corner from a huge billboard claiming ‘AT&T is Buffalo’s fastest 3G network’.
Who ever came up with that chart has some serious bias issues, or has faulty hardware. For 3G, from my own first hand experience, Verizon and Sprint seem pretty equal, AT&T sucks the big one. For 4G, Verizon's LTE is the fastest, then Sprint's Wimax and AT&T's as usual is brining up the rear as their HSPA+ is slower then both.
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| | | | Jon GebWal-Mart Sucks
join:2001-01-09
Howell, MI | Re: 3G unusable/4G very small coverage This is a very large issue on Sprintusers.com and I don't think you would find many stories similar to what you list.
My 48 day average for my own personal tests lined up with the chart. I go on the road a lot and took tests over a 250 mile radius of Detroit, MI. I averaged .53 Mbps
No offense, but you would be laughed off the board at Sprint forums if you tried saying the average 3G speed nationwide was anything over 1Mb... Most would find over .75 on a nationwide testing not believable.
Heres a discussion on Sprint.com by sprint employees basically admitted triple data increases in 18 months.
»community.sprint.com/baw/message···4#340974 | |
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| | | Ok, I can't say that Sprint is AWESOME for 3G, I can't say it's as bad as you say in my area. I'm a half hour outside of Cleveland, and we get 4G. It's pretty crappy coverage, and it drains your battery, but it's there. I don't use it for those two reasons, but it exists.
I just did a speed test on my EVO at work, where I commonly get 0 to -1 bars inside this bunker of an office, and got 339kbps. That's still over 6x faster than dialup. Even the 200kbps you mentioned is still nearly 4x faster than dialup. Remember, dialup was 53kbps! | |
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| Um, I live in San Diego and don't have 4G. They have coverage in less than half the county and seem to have put the brakes on the build out for the time being. Heck I can't even get WiMax at my office in downtown which you think they would have covered like a blanket. But no, the only real coverage is near the convention center which makes sense for all the people coming for conference, etc. | |
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join:2003-07-28
Salt Lake City, UT | Glad Sprint is better than all the rest! 
Sure am glad that Sprint is staying true to the unlimited bandwidth as opposed to all the other subpar wireless providers... | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH Reviews:
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| Good for them But I don't think it will help their small network. They need to get together with lightsquared, DISH, and other partners and use their SMR spectrum to build out a legitimately large network.
When people realize that heavy smartphone users are using 1GB of data/mo, they won't care too much about "unlimited". | |
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|  Oh_NoTrogglus normalus
join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL | Re: Good for them said by BiggA:But I don't think it will help their small network. They need to get together with lightsquared, DISH, and other partners and use their SMR spectrum to build out a legitimately large network.
When people realize that heavy smartphone users are using FYI, lightsquared is paying Sprint $9 billion to use Sprint's network. | |
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join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Re: Good for them True, we'll see if anything comes of it. All the plans so far from them have been vague. | |
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join:2011-05-15
Baltimore, MD | Sprint is like the federal govenment Throw money at a problem and expect it to fix itself. | |
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join:2003-12-30
Magalia, CA | Love My Sprint On Sprint's data plan, it's like having an unlimited budget as oppose to being broke all the time. I'm not counting my pennies like a beggar. | |
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join:2010-03-14
Carmel, NY | Re: Love My Sprint Since they doing away with the nextel name i believe they can stay with unlimted | |
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| | this will change in a few months once iphone owners start gobbling up data, sprint will hit the brakes
we all know it's coming..... | |
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