  ozznyPremium
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Bronx, NY | Verizon leads the way Verizon sets the tone, and the sheep follow. It only took for VZW to raise the ETF fees for the others to decide to do the same. | |
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 | pandoraPremium
join:2001-06-01
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kudos:1 |  Re: Verizon leads the way
I wonder what the new policy will be?
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| | | | Re: Verizon leads the way if I may ask, did you leave sprint and sign with Virgin Mobile in one call? is that why Sprint agreed to waive the fee? I ask because Virgins $35 a month blackberry plan is becoming very appealing to me. | |
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| | | Re: iPhone? Makes sense. Apparently the carriers have to subsidize more for iPhone than Android phones. Not sure by how much but the increase from $200 to $350 may be an indication. | |
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| | | | Re: iPhone? said by xenophon:Makes sense. Apparently the carriers have to subsidize more for iPhone than Android phones. Not sure by how much but the increase from $200 to $350 may be an indication.
Actually this came from the abusers. They were getting EVO's when they first came out, breaking contract, and selling them for more than the ETF. They were making money off of Sprint left and right.
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| | | ETF's have nothing to do with recouping cost, you would be a fool to think they are.
The price being charged and the cost to produce are in no way related and again you would be a fool to think they are.
It is "subsidies" that the telecoms give out on phones that keep them artificially high priced to begin with.
And please explain how the cost is going up for any of these phones as I dont believe you have any clue in this either? | |
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| | Hrmmz... Hopefully an equal increase in subsidy on contract renewal is in order. I'd love to see the subsidized phone prices drop. Otherwise, this is just a money grab, unless they were really losing money on people that were getting subsidized phones and canceling.
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|  jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1 | Re: Hrmmz... Not sure if this is a pure money grab or an attempt to dissuade people from buying devices, immediately cancelling the contract, and turning around and selling the phones online for a profit. With the rumor of the iPhone selling on Sprint, this may be a proactive move to minimize this practice, and to ensure that they won't lose money on such transactions. | |
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| |  LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: Hrmmz... said by jmn1207:Not sure if this is a pure money grab or an attempt to dissuade people from buying devices, immediately cancelling the contract, and turning around and selling the phones online for a profit. With the rumor of the iPhone selling on Sprint, this may be a proactive move to minimize this practice, and to ensure that they won't lose money on such transactions.
Especially if the new iPhone, as rumored, will work on all U.S. carriers using a dual CDMA/GSM chipset. That would make it easier to switch providers and take the subsidized iPhone with you. Sprint wouldn't want to subsidize iPhones and then see the users jump to Verizon or AT&T.
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Flushing, NY | yup this is because of iphone.
i'm keeping my SERO line too.
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| no contract, no etf best not to sign up in the first place.. be informed and less gullable.
go prepaid.. soon there will be smart phones on prepaid as well, if not already.. smart phones including android range from $30 - $350 depending upon carrier and single or multiple line offers.
»www.engadget.com/2011/08/20/sams···gly-150/ | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: no contract, no etf said by tmc8080:best not to sign up in the first place.. be informed and less gullable.
go prepaid.. soon there will be smart phones on prepaid as well, if not already. Prepaid is where the smart people are.
Where there is no "unhappy sub fee"[ETF]
no USF
or other costs of doing their business[below the line fees that postpaid subs pay]
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| | | | Re: no contract, no etf just go to the IRS and get an EIN- and get a business plan if you want Sprint. It's month to month with NO ETFs.
And everyone claims that Sprint is different. This just shows that they want their cake and eat it too. Soon they'll be just like the other carriers. | |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Meh Is this really that big a deal? Who still pays ETFs anyway? | |
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| | | Re: Meh I can tell you who, former AT&T customers who signed a two year contract and then couldn't deal with the awful service, like me I did 5 months ago. Prepaid isn't for everyone
The service generally is worse and the phone selection is awful. | |
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| | pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Re: Meh said by MovieLover76:I can tell you who, former AT&T customers who signed a two year contract and then couldn't deal with the awful service, like me I did 5 months ago. Prepaid isn't for everyone
The service generally is worse and the phone selection is awful.
But most contracts allow for you to quit the service within 2 weeks of signing up. For most people, that should be plenty of time to assess whether or not the service is good enough to keep or not.
From what I've read most cell companies will cancel your service with no ETF if you move to a place where they do not offer service.
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| Re: Meh 2 weeks isn't enough, as a AT&T customer the phone worked fairly well, I did notice that it was less reliable than Verizon but it wasn't bad enough to switch back and I like my phone
Then in a couple months the network degraded significantly
I technically had service, just bad service, with constant dropped calls and stalled data.
Believe me, if I could have gotten out free I would, and I know plenty of people who've had to pay an etf for various reasons, it still happens.
I'm sticking with Verizon cause they are solid pretty much everywhere
I'd rather pay more for consistently good service, hopefully no more ETFS for me, but they wouldn't have them if they didn't stick them to some customers in certain situations, they don't care if your happy they just want you too keep paying them. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Meh sounds like you didn't read the fine print of your contract that says the carrier isn't responsible for coverage problems and issues outside of their control and coverage maps are "rough estimates" and not "legal documents" to refer to?
And as far as VZW having a solid network that is pretty much everywhere? Do you realize how much of their network is roaming? Also that will NEVER see updates? | |
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| | | Re: @ $350 etf and when the company still demands a 1year contract or better yet- they won't actually accept the phone?
You do realize that some carriers (TMO is one of them) that says that if you do NOT purchase the phone DIRECTLY from TMO (agents are NOT considered as from TMO) they do NOT have to accept your phone nor provide you with support? So yah that would be great but it won't work until that clause is changed and will NEVER change.
If this country would have GSM (as much of the world) we wouldn't have this problem as phones would be universal from the start. | |
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join:2004-11-17
Franklin, TN
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| Sprint also increasing other fees If you are on Sprint, and are currently in the middle of a contract, you can (as of now) call in and have your service cancelled without incurring an ETF.
The agents are playing hardball and most will try to tell you that you can't cancel, but you can because this is a "material change of contract".
Here's the on going thread at slickdeals.net about this issue:
»slickdeals.net/forums/showthread···=3212758
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| | | Re: Sprint also increasing other fees Or another way is to use excessive roaming. Just force you phone to roam all the time, use a lot of 3G roaming data, and eventually Sprint will cancel your contract for you. They say you get unlimited roaming data but if you use more roaming data than on their network over the course of a few months, they will give ya a call. Same for voice, if you use more roaming minutes than network minutes they will call ya. | |
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| |  JimThePCGuyFormerly known as schja01.Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-27
Morton Grove, IL | Re: Sprint also increasing other fees I don't think any current Sprint phone have a "roam only" setting. | |
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| | | | | Re: Sprint also increasing other fees Nope but a simple app purchase can change that, i.e. Roam Control. | |
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| | | | Re: Sprint also increasing other fees did you not read the link that is provided by Karl today? It actually states this with a screen shot from Sprint:
"This will go into effect on contracts signed after that date. It should be noted that changes for authorized dealers normally apply to corporate Sprint stores too."
So before saying/implying that the increase is for EVERYONE you should check the facts. | |
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| | | so the thing to do is to sign up, get the best phone they have, then escape the contract on the material change on the 9th and sell the new phone on craigslist.
Thanks! | |
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| | | ETF is only increasing for NEW customers. NOT customers on current contracts. | |
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| |  RickNYPremium
join:2000-11-02
Manorville, NY | Re: Sprint also increasing other fees said by hottboiinnc:ETF is only increasing for NEW customers. NOT customers on current contracts.
Meaning --- until you get a new phone. | |
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dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Unlimited data will be next | |
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| | | Re: Unlimited data I agree just a matter of time | |
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join:2008-01-24
Toronto, ON
kudos:1 | Small potatoes Come to Canada (outside of Quebec where they toughened up) where ETFs can be over $800! | |
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