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|  marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM
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kudos:2 | Lawsuit will be tough without knowing what the problem is.
It could be Sprint, it could be the phone manufacturer, it could be North Las Vegas 911's data, it could be the dispatch vendor's software. Or it could be some weird combination of 2 or more of those.
If you cannot find what causes the problem, then you have no basis for a lawsuit against Sprint. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Lawsuit anyone? said by ConstantineM:said by marigolds:Lawsuit will be tough without knowing what the problem is.
It could be Sprint, it could be the phone manufacturer, it could be North Las Vegas 911's data, it could be the dispatch vendor's software. Or it could be some weird combination of 2 or more of those.
If you cannot find what causes the problem, then you have no basis for a lawsuit against Sprint.
Bullshit, that's not how supreme courts work! The lawsuit is totally doable, and getting the data of who's at fault is called Discovery. I'm surprised the article mentions nothing about a lawsuit; he can totally sue Sprint and probably all the other parties involved (and the process of discovery will reveal what the exact problem is and who is actually at fault). And I also smell like he can even use the device of Injunction, to have the court prevent these kinds of things from happening in the future. Seriously, he lives in Vegas, and can't find a lawyer for these things? Don't you get their cards stuffed in your face as you walk by the strip? Well, that is if you go with the belief that sprint and North Las Vegas 911 know what the problem is and are not fixing it.
If they don't know what the problem is, then discovery is not going to do you any good whatsoever.
There is zero chance that the court is going to issue an injunction that shuts down 911. None whatsoever.
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kudos:2 | Re: Lawsuit anyone? said by ConstantineM:At the very least, the court can easily approve an injunction on Sprint offering their find-your-lost-phone service for any users in North Las Vegas area.
Also, it is entirely conceivable and reasonable to also move for an injunction that would prohibit the address in question from being served as the GPS address for 911 calls.
Also, how could Sprint not know what's going on? The code is deterministic, the people were there. If they can't figure out what's going on, it's purely because they're too lazy and don't care about this problem. So, sue them, then they'll talk.
It is not Sprint offering the service. It is third party groups using a combination of Sprint and 911 geolocation.
I suppose if the owner wanted to agree that he would receive no police services that the 2nd injunction could happen. I doubt he wants that though, since then he would not be able to get the police to his house when someone shows up at the door demanding their lost phone that their third party app says is there.
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kudos:2 | Re: Lawsuit anyone? said by ConstantineM:What prohibits him from suing said third parties, or the app stores through which such apps are distributed? Besides, if all of these are Sprint users, it more sounds like it's an issue with some kind of service that Sprint offers directly.
Also, you're being very naive about the ways under which the location can be gathered during a 911 call. Nothing would preclude him from receiving police help if the above injunction of his address being GPS-blacklisted implemented at the 911 level.
They could easily go after the third party apps. The problem is the sheer number of such apps. It would be a game of whack-a-mole.
This is probably not only Sprint users affected. It is just only Sprint users showing up because of sheer numbers. Sprint, T-Mobile, Clear, and a handful of others tend to exhibit the same issues because of the tower networks and common handsets that they use. We have experienced this with text message delays for emergency alerts. But the issues always show up on Sprint first because of sheer numbers.
Odds are the issue is with tower triangulation and how it interacts with the geolocation API on certain phones when going through certain networks. Eliminate those phones or change those towers and you might solve it. Eliminating the geolocation API would break a wide swath of apps besides the tracker apps, but it would be the only real way to stop the tracker apps.
I work professionally with 911 GIS data. If an address is blacklisted from the system, that means that there is no police response to that location. This is -extremely- rare. The equivalent happens occasionally with VOIP numbers (which is the company failing to enroll at address after they switch to VoIP), and it does translate into no police response to the location of that number. Of course, you can give them the physical address over the phone instead, if you are able to do that.
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| | | | | Re: Lawsuit anyone? This does not need to go to court. The guy could very well not decide to press charges against Sprint and just be happy that the whole thing is over and accept whatever compensation Sprint might offer him for his trouble if Sprint determines that their network/phones really were at fault. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Lawsuit anyone? Yeah, right! Companies voluntarily admitting to their mistakes and providing reasonable compensation! Especially the telecoms!
LOL, a good one! | |
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A) Files a complaint against the Las Vegas Police. I'd be filing a violation of civil rights complaint on the two incidences where he was forced out of his home and searched wrongfully.
B) I'd be procuring a lawyer and finding who is at fault. The mental anguish, reduction in quality of life, and sheer hell the man has endured is astounding.
C) If he can pinpoint the exact problem, be it Sprint, App Maker, Police, etc, he's in for a nice pay day. | |
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| | What a master thief. Stealing everyone's sprint phones across the US. Now THAT is good work! | |
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| How does this even happen? I just don't understand how this even happens? This poor man's life is in danger as someone could very easily show up with a gun (or our "right to bear arms AR-15") and not even give him a chance to talk.
I hope Sprint resolves this quickly for the sake of this man and his family. | |
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Dobson said he is grateful that he didn't confront the officers with a weapon.
"I would have been on the losing end, and it would have been because of that issue," he said. | |
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Dobson said he is grateful that he didn't confront the officers with a weapon.
"I would have been on the losing end, and it would have been because of that issue," he said. We saw Para norman finally. Think there was a statement in there to the effect we are the police and we are the only ones allowed to shoot civilians. 
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Dobson said he is grateful that he didn't confront the officers with a weapon.
"I would have been on the losing end, and it would have been because of that issue," he said. Yes, I did. Unfortunately, the statement about the "losing end" is most likely true, but it really shouldn't be. You should be able to be prepared and be able to protect your self in your home. The police should also realize this and take no offense. | |
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| | | | | Re: How does this even happen? said by gigahurtz:Of course it would be, because he uses that AR-15 for hunting purposes
Or any other reason. That's what makes this country great, you don't have to justify a purchase. | |
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Unless of course, said visitor shows up with a bunch of his friends, all bringing more than the arms they were born with. | |
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Unless of course, said visitor shows up with a bunch of his friends, all bringing more than the arms they were born with. This is real life and anything is to be expected. One can only prepare as best one can. | |
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kudos:1 | probably a default location if the gps doesn't get a lock. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: How does this even happen? probably not an intentional default. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: How does this even happen? said by AVD:probably not an intentional default.
it's just the location of the up address usually. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: How does this even happen? "up address"? | |
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kudos:4 | Re: How does this even happen? Ip address. Typo sorry | |
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kudos:1 | Re: How does this even happen? I have sprint.
I use waze, a mapping software. After a cold boot, but before a location lock it shows me somewhere on the two lane road. I call it the GPS jail. Sometimes I see other users there.
Come to think of it it may be in Las Vegas.
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Latitude: 47.2529 (47° 15′ 10.44″ N)
Longitude: -122.4443 (122° 26′ 39.48″ W)
Area Code: 253
My phone is at the Pierce County Courthouse according to windowsphone.com right now... This could happen to anyone.
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kudos:1 | Way to go off topic & troll with the best of them.
If this were happening to me, I would go passive aggressive & FedEx the phone to the CEO's house.
Problem solved!
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kudos:1 | Re: How does this even happen? said by N3OGH:Way to go off topic & troll with the best of them.
If this were happening to me, I would go passive aggressive & FedEx the phone to the CEO's house.
Problem solved!
it has nothing to do with a phone, but probably something to do with Sprints geolocation services.
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | if sprint does not act fast this guy should start calling the LVPD to haul off people pestering him constantly for trespassing.
But yes I think he would have a legal case against sprint for this. He could certainly get mental anguish dollars. Possibly even lost wages if the results of this screwup are preventing him from getting to work.
A few grand for that lawsuit is better than a wrongful death lawsuit if a person shows up at his door and murders him thinking he has their phone. That kind of lawsuit could cost millions to pay off the family.
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That would probably turn away at least half of the angry people. | |
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| | Post Security Sprint should post security at his house to deal with the issue... Seems very easy to take the heat off the poor guy... Who won't be poor after the law suit as long as a gun toting vigilante doesn't visit him first. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Post Security That is exactly what I was thinking. Sprint should have no problem spending a few thousand dollars while they figure out what is happening. Even if its not their fault, hiring security would be _good_ PR for them.
It would also help their defense when the person pursues damages from them. It's not a question of "if" he will, only a question of when. Perhaps that claim will end up beign against someone other then Sprint... who knows. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | 2 Waynes in North Las Vegas I looked up the name mentioned in the article. There are two that go by this name. I geocoded both addresses. There doesn't appear to be anything special about the LAT/LON numbers. One of the addresses is:
LAT: 36.250866 LON: -115.163670
When I first read the article, I thought the LAT/LON of North Las Vegas was at whole number coordinates and a truncation issue was causing loss of precision. However, there doesn't appear to be anything significant about the coordinates of either address or, for that matter, any address in North Las Vegas.
I hope we get a technical explanation for this so if if ever happens to me, I'll know whether or not I have to move. It's ridiculous this guy has had to put up with this since 2011. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: 2 Waynes in North Las Vegas said by rradina:I looked up the name mentioned in the article. There are two that go by this name. I geocoded both addresses. There doesn't appear to be anything special about the LAT/LON numbers. One of the addresses is:
LAT: 36.250866 LON: -115.163670
When I first read the article, I thought the LAT/LON of North Las Vegas was at whole number coordinates and a truncation issue was causing loss of precision. However, there doesn't appear to be anything significant about the coordinates of either address or, for that matter, any address in North Las Vegas. The coordinates may be in a projected coordinate system. There are literally thousands in use, and phone companies are infamous for using their own coordinate systems or using outdating systems (for example, 1927 latitude/longitude is different from 1983, which is different from 1984) that are then reprojected.
It might even be that Sprint is using a coordinate system whose origin is right at that location. Any coordinates that come back as 0,0 would then direct straight to his house.
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kudos:7 | sounds similar to a slightly different situation i have been dealing with since windows 8 was released.
my telephone number is similar to the microsoft activation/help number 1-855-469-9468 in that if the person who calls it does not dial 1 first, i get their phone call if the area code they are dialing from is the same as mine.
it is extremely annoying to get phone calls all hours of the day and night from a variety of people (even kids!) asking for help with their windows installation.
even after explaining to many of them that they are dialing the wrong number, that this is a private residence number and that they should dial 1 first and then the rest of the microsoft number, they still ask me windows related questions as if what i just told them went through a hole in their head. 
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| | | Re: Get a new address Aren't house numbers assigned by the city?
Secondly, if my house number is 27, because my neighbors are 25 and 29 on this side of the street and 24, 26, 28 on the other,
If my house number gets changed, to what? 43 Wouldn't it still be easy to find?
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| | | It's going on GPS coordinates, not house number. Problem will still exist with new house number. | |
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| Re: Get a new address It would work if people are using Google, et al, to convert the lat/long to an address (via 'what's here'), as long as it wasn't aware of the new address. Not finding the address, most people would assume that Google was wrong.
People who are going by the raw lat/long would of course end up at the desired location.
After Nicole Brown Simpson was murdered, they changed the address of her old condo on Bundy Drive so people would have trouble finding it. | |
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Must be a bunch of idiots doing UI at Sprint.