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New Fairfield, CT | Re: Sprint All part of the plane to Kill Of Nextel or what ever is left of it in my opinion. All these agencies used Nextel and slowly they have been migrating off due to poor service. | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Sprint None of the local governments I work for around here are migrating from Nextel, rather some are moving back to them. Municipalities have been known to strike deals to build towers on public land to ensure they have good coverage for employees. | |
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New Fairfield, CT | Re: Sprint I know quit a few in my area hat are doing so, I cannot tell you who they are but it is happening. | |
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| | |  batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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| said by jester121:None of the local governments I work for around here are migrating from Nextel, rather some are moving back to them. Municipalities have been known to strike deals to build towers on public land to ensure they have good coverage for employees. That is why government should keep their nose out of business. What about the tax payers that use Verizon?
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kudos:3 | The government, being in bed with phone, learned a little something.. they learned to cherry pick their partners. | |
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Washington, DC | Didn't build enough locked rooms for the NSA to get the contract | |
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| Re: Sprint said by axus:Didn't build enough locked rooms for the NSA to get the contract Quest told the NSA no so you are wrong. | |
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kudos:1 | Sprint..... Well, it is the government after all, it's their choice  | |
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| | Sprint, WTF are u doing! Man I gotta say Sprint is really screwin up lately...
They definitely need to get this shit straight. | |
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|  en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | Re: Sprint, WTF are u doing! yup...
Sprint's takeover of Nextel = loss of many customers
Sprint losing out of Gov't contract $$$
Lets see if that WiMAX lifeboat has any leaks.
Still waiting to see about Alltel sale as well. | |
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| | | How is this Sprint's fault? Also Sprint has 10x better coverage than Verizon or AT&T.
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| Re: Sprint, WTF are u doing! Old information..try this current link:
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| | | | | | Re: Sprint, WTF are u doing! Haha, that is not all Sprint's network.
That is Sprint's network + all their roaming providers!
The first map looks just like Sprint's own CDMA network coverage. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Sprint, WTF are u doing! You might also consider that most other providers are in the same boat. Here, Verizon Wireless has fantastic coverage - but none of it is on their own towers.
MCI's failure of a venture into wireless was entirely Sprint's network. | |
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| | | | en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | That link was from the same page 
Covering roaming partners in a dotted green as 'unknown signal' only when zoomed down to the street level is a little deceptive. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Sprint, WTF are u doing! said by en102:Covering roaming partners in a dotted green as 'unknown signal' only when zoomed down to the street level is a little deceptive. And my personal experience with Sprint coverage maps is that they took a page from the "FCC Broadband availability" book. If you can get a signal, even a weak one, anywhere in a given zip code, then they call that area covered.
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kudos:3 | Even if that map was the right one.. so? One can also say that this map is a population map. They have all the major population centers of the country. One could say they stay true and lean and provide service where it matters and not to the 1 horse towns.
When you look at the other's maps, you think the blobs of color equal a company owned tower? or one they have roaming agreements with as well where they include your available calling area?
At least Sprint doesn't cut you off for roaming too much like the others have. Cingular/american thieves & thugs, say one thing, mean another. Spring - upfront. So, if sprint is doing it wrong and loosing customers, then I'd rather be with the loosing ship. Just shows that most Americans don't care about the truth, rather, they want to be fed what they want to hear even if it's not true. For that reason alone, my attitude will never change.
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1 edit | Re: Sprint, WTF are u doing! The western Kansas coverage is not technically theirs. It is through the Sprint roaming alliance. 2 local carriers cover that area for Sprint. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Sprint, WTF are u doing! Probably not, but the cattle might.
Seriously though, you might be surprised how many farmers are using cell phones. There are areas it is miles between houses, and a cell phone is the only communication. | |
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Daleville, AL | said by Albatross6:Their coverage in Western Kansas is amazing. Their home office is located in Kansas City!
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| | | | said by Sircolby45:How is this Sprint's fault? Also Sprint has 10x better coverage than Verizon or AT&T. Somebody's been watching too many commercials.
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Valencia, CA | Re: Sprint, WTF are u doing! Or somebody works for Sprint | |
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Colorado Springs, CO | said by Sircolby45:How is this Sprint's fault? Also Sprint has 10x better coverage than Verizon or AT&T. Man I can't breath this is so funny.
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kudos:4 | said by Sircolby45:How is this Sprint's fault? Also Sprint has 10x better coverage than Verizon or AT&T. Maybe because Sprint continues to lose money and execs faster than anybody else in a booming industry. Their proposal may not have met minimum standards for an ongoing company.
Turnover in the executive offices has also been high. Three key leaders jumped ship last year: onetime chairman and former Nextel chief Tom Donahue, strategy man Tom Kelly and operations head Len Lauer. Meanwhile, with its eroding customer base, falling long-distance and wholesale prices and weakening business services unit, Sprint managed to turn in four consecutive quarters of disappointing financial results last year. quote:
Maybe they are losing too much money on those "UNLIMITED" data plans everyone loves so much.
In January, after losing 306,000 postpaid mobile phone subscribers in the fourth quarter, the company lowered guidance and said it would fire 5,000 workers.
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| | |  KoolMoeAw ManPremium
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Annapolis, MD | Re: Sprint, WTF are u doing! Some article I read stated the official reason was Sprint's bid/price estimate was too high.
Unless officially subjugated as a 'going concern', Sprint's profit/loss statements shouldn't have any bearing on their selection. In fact, I'd suspect such consideration would give them an opening to challenge the decision.
Consider this Networx proposal was largely for maintenance of legacy systems. Sprint spun-off their legacy arm last year as Embarq. The other companies who are still in the running (met the down-select, note they did not actually win any contract yet) all still have their legacy components.
The REAL contracts to watch will those looking for vendors to implement wireless solutions for the government. If Sprint is not picked as a finalist in those contracts, then I'd worry about their longevity (and/or general competency).
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Plymouth, MI | They need to bring back William Esrey. The company performed much better under his leadership. | |
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Utica, MI | said by Sircolby45: Also Sprint has 10x better coverage than Verizon or AT&T. I disagree. In all the areas I go to, both Sprint and Nextel have horrible coverage, and these places aren't even in the boonies. I switched to Verizon recently because the service in those areas are covered quite well by VZW. | |
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Boston, MA | said by Sircolby45:How is this Sprint's fault? Also Sprint has 10x better coverage than Verizon or AT&T. Really?? On what PLANET??
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1 edit | Re: Sprint, WTF are u doing! said by SteveCon:said by Sircolby45:How is this Sprint's fault? Also Sprint has 10x better coverage than Verizon or AT&T. Really?? On what PLANET?? Ok first of all that map posted above is not a Sprint coverage map. Second of all Cingular or Verizon doesn't get within 70 miles of where I am at and Sprint covers it all over. 3rd most of Cingular and Verizon's coverage are roaming. 4th Sprint's EVDO coverage is FAR superior. Also to the guy saying they don't serve the boonies. You couldn't be more wrong. I am in such a small town I haft to drive 25 miles to get to a grocery store and I haft to use satellite internet because nothing else is available. I have coverage from Sprint. Guess who doesn't come within 70 miles of me? Cingular and Verizon. Actually Verizon doesn't even come that close.
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1 edit | Re: Sprint, WTF are u doing! Who said anything about EVDO ?
I don't have any concern over 3G data that I don't use. | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: Sprint, WTF are u doing! Well, I can say that Sprint's iDEN blows chunks...
best I get is ~ -90dBm, coverage a few miles from me is non-existant (on the way to Costco no less), and the only place I get good service is at HomeDepot. | |
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| | batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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| said by Sircolby45:How is this Sprint's fault? Also Sprint has 10x better coverage than Verizon or AT&T. No they don't. That is so obviously false where did you pull that from? | |
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| Re: Sprint, WTF are u doing! said by batterup:said by Sircolby45:How is this Sprint's fault? Also Sprint has 10x better coverage than Verizon or AT&T. No they don't. That is so obviously false where did you pull that from? Then prove me wrong...If you lay the evidence out in front of me I am not afraid to admit I was wrong. I have personally looked at the maps and from what I see Sprint appears to have the better coverage. In Texas Verizon's coverage is literally laughable. Then Sprint still beats Cingular here too. Also Sprint seems to have a denser coverage throughout the rest of the US.
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As a result of the poor coverage, Nextel users are literally ruunning away. T-Mobile has been a huge beneficiary. That's where I went and couldn't be happier with my MDA Windows Mobile 5 phone.
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join:2006-03-17 | Well, the GSA needs help.... Glitch leaves reporters in lurch
»www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/t···,00.html
"Talk about getting your lines crossed.
Journalists hoping to learn from a Thursday teleconference the winners of the largest government telecommunications contract in history were accidentally left out of the loop for about 20 minutes due to a phone glitch." | |
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 justbitsMore fiber than ATT can handlePremium
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Chicago, IL | Merger coming In other news, Verizon, AT&T and Qwest announced that they are going to merge together for this opportunity so they can provide better service to the government. The new government contracted entity will be called "AT+T". | |
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|  nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Merger coming said by justbits:In other news, Verizon, AT&T and Qwest announced that they are going to merge together for this opportunity so they can provide better service to the government. The new government contracted entity will be called "AT+T". Which would cause Sprint to be automatically be put back in the picture, since the government contract requirements generally require that no one/single provider can control more than a certain percentage the overall gov't telecom picture.
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| | en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | Re: Merger coming I suspect heavy lobbying from 'old Telco' didn't hurt the process. Since Sprint isn't a real telco anymore (Embarq is spun off), it has more in place with Cable than telco now. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Merger coming said by en102:I suspect heavy lobbying from 'old Telco' didn't hurt the process. Since Sprint isn't a real telco anymore (Embarq is spun off), it has more in place with Cable than telco now. Well, United Telecom never really was part of the Bell System, so it's no wonder that it doesn't benefit from governmental largess in the same way that the Baby Bells do.
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kudos:3 | Naaaa... att will eat up verizon first, qwest next, then sprint nextel in that order.. then it will end up as welcome to "the old at&t... |done!" | |
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Lakewood, OH | sprint doesn't surprise me. Sprint needs to streamline and get back on track. I don't like sprint personally but they are becoming a weaker and weaker competitor.
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The real question people should start asking is, with the loss of contract subscribers and government contracts, is there going to be enough money for a meaningful WiMAX deployment? I think Sprint is in more trouble than a lot of people want to admit, but that's for another topic.
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| | sprint and verizon are all the same nowadays... Sprint actually has the largest cdma network in the country, as verizon doesn't even own most of theirs. They are actually owned by specrasite/american towers inc.
Sprint phones will work anywhere verizon phones or alltel phone will work. The only difference is that sprint charges $5 for monthly "unlimited" roaming. However, sprint makes up for that by being much more leniant towards data usage than verizon. | |
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1 edit | Re: sprint and verizon are all the same nowadays... Actually... doesn't that bragging right go to Alltel ?
As far as VZW goes with American Towers/Spectrasite... I think you mean the company that owns the physical site... not the gear. Co-location is more common than you think. | |
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While Sprint is more lenient toward DATA usage, that is not exactly a feature most non-business users choose a wireless carrier for. Most residential wireless users are looking for low-cost handsets, and then at coverage, and then at rates for that coverage. Cingular (now part of AT&T) has historically had the better handsets (mostly because of longer exclusive deals with Motorola for the RAZR and their progeny) and the best lower-end introductory rates; however, it's VZW that has the best coverage, and the best non-teaser voice rates (not to mention the best off-peak feature of any wireless carrier; specifically, unlimited night/weekend minutes). | |
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| | Don't forget good old land line services All the comments I see here are about wireless, which is probably a smaller part of the overall contract (the story link mentions private lines and secure e-mail). I've used network services from AT&T, MCI, BellSouth, SBC, QWest, UUNet, BBNPlanet, Savvis, Digex and Sprint (MPLS, PTP, frame relay, internet) for services and out of all three Sprint had to be the worst to work with. We ended up using them because the company that purchased us had a Sprint contract else we would have never picked them. | |
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kudos:6 | Re: Don't forget good old land line services Not a dumb move I think, they probably lose more by giving these guys "discounted service" | |
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| | The real reason is probably Sprint didn't want to conform to giving up information to the gov like AT&T protecting its customers. | |
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| | Did anyone actually read TFA? No where is cell service mentioned. So those of you complaining/arguing over such frivolous things should RTFA first.
This contract was for telecommunications in general. Meaning they get a poop load of cash to bring their stuff up to snuff. And yes cell service would be a part of that, but that is not the major aspect. They need to upgrade *everything*.
»www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/conten···OVERVIEW
Personally I prefer Sprint over the machine that is Verizon. Verizon's customer service sucks to no end from what I understand. I get nothing but great service from Sprint at least the times I've called. I've dealt with Verizon thru my work and they are crappy when it comes to business solutions. | |
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| | | Re: Did anyone actually read TFA? I'm really surprised they booted Sprint and not Qwest, Since Qwest doesn't have an international presence or POP's instead they have a partnership with Orange(Equant) | |
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