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Unlimited calling while at home: $15/month
(old news - 12:20PM Monday Sep 17 2007)
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Sprint is offering a new service in select areas of Denver and Indianapolis that delivers customers unlimited mobile minutes while at home. Dubbed Airave, the new femtocell-based system uses your home broadband connection to extend cellular coverage and offer unlimited calling for an additional $15 per month ($30 for multi-cell families).

According to Sprint, the service is going to be extended throughout the two launch areas and into Nashville this year, with extended commercial deployment sometime in 2008 (though a Sprint rep would not be more specific).

The service allows users to transfer calls seamlessly between the Airave and traditional cellular network -- but not vice versa, according to the product FAQ. Coverage area for the device is said to be about 5,000 square feet, and the service will work with any Sprint phone. The unit itself (made by Samsung) costs $50.

Expect to keep hearing about femtocells. The low-cost, low-power devices are being explored by multiple vendors including AT&T, who issued an RFP this past summer for a similar service they're apparently planning.

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aesurf

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nice

i see a great second use for this, using it to provide cell service at houses that don't have coverage [which with Sprint, happens all too often]

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Re: nice

I wonder if they will allow other cellphns in the area to connect to your antenna. and that way they could effectively extend their coverage on your $$$.
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Re: nice

I believe you have to 'register' your phone(s) with the device before you can use it to make calls.

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So... just making sure I read this right.

They use your connection (and your broadband provider's) to provide you service you should be getting... Ok, let's say "make it work better" in your house.

OK, I can see that... but they charge you $15 for it.

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Re: nice

said by KrK See Profile :

So... just making sure I read this right.

They use your connection (and your broadband provider's) to provide you service you should be getting... Ok, let's say "make it work better" in your house.

OK, I can see that... but they charge you $15 for it.

"Yeah I have a comment..... What?!?"
It's not mainly to let it work better, but rather that you don't use your minutes when you're at home. Basically, you get unlimited use of your cell phone in the vicinity of your home since you are mainly riding over your broadband connection and not Sprints. Bad service in your home? Then perhaps this could also help resolve that problem... When they say "free," they don't mean 100% free, but rather that you are paying a privilege fee since they are losing your usage of all those minutes at home. For some people, perhaps they use their phone in one location 90% of the time and this could SERIOUSLY save money.

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In home unlimited voip for $15 dollars, multi-cell numbers for $30 dollars, with telephone co. QOS, same # inside and outside, this is great.

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Especially if you have TEENS in the house!!!!

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Ok I get it now... Yeah...

You could ditch your POTS line, and keep a fairly minimal minutes plan, because most your calls are made from the home.
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Does a wireless call that starts outside of my home transfer to the Sprint AIRAVE coverage area when I arrive home?

Calls made outside the AIRAVE coverage area are not transferred to the AIRAVE device even though you may be within the coverage area. If you wish to take advantage of the unlimited calling feature of AIRAVE, you must end the call that was placed outside of the coverage area and initiate a new call on the AIRAVE device.
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Why in the world would someone pay $15 a month for it? When you can get SKYPE (I paid Jan 3rd 2007 $14.95 for a YEAR) now its $29 a year. You can call anywhere in the USA, Canada and Mexico unlimited. Or 2.4 cents a min to the UK and abroad. If you want a phone number for people to call in, its another $30 a year. So total $60 a YEAR unlimited calling. I dont use the skype call in number as I have free incoming calls on my sprint/nextel cell phone.

I purchased a cordless/wireless linksys phone that is hooked to my computer. I can use anywhere on my property unlike my land Line phone I couldnt walk out to the road. It runs off my broadband connection also.

MUCH cheaper than Sprint....but isnt everything? LOL
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"Free"

Subtitle says "Free unlimited calling while at home: $15/month"

... that's not free. It's $15/month.

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said by mobbo See Profile :

Subtitle says "Free unlimited calling while at home: $15/month"

... that's not free. It's $15/month.
I think Karl just forgot to add "LOL"
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Verizon

I am switching from verizon to tmobile just so i cna have coverage in my house like they are doing. if verizon would have done this sooner they would have retained me as a customer. plus its 10$ for tmobile to do this and it works on any wifi network not just the home one. i would like to add that the device needs a gps signal so it needs to be by a window in order for it to work.

SO when will verizon get this? it better be soon.

This is news from about a month ago.
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Verizon - Hello?

Would be cool if Verizon would do this. I severely doubt it, plus they would still require resigning a 2 year agreement and would ship the unit with the red moisture stickers in it activated already so they could get out of any warranty claim.
Maybe I need to look into Tmobile.

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Re: Verizon - Hello?

Oh and i am told verizon is working on the same type of thing.
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Re: Verizon - Hello?

They need it - after all they are the NOTwork.

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Re: Verizon - Hello?

actually i normally get better coverage with verizon than any other national carrier in ohio and florida. pretty good ion canada too.

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That looks like a detachable rp-SMA antenna!

If you click through to Sprint's website, you will see some additional views of the device. Upon inspection, it appears to have a detachable rp-sma antenna (think Linksys). If this is the case, you could conceivably put a high gain antenna on that device and get some serious coverage.
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Pats07

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Re: That looks like a detachable rp-SMA antenna!

Very interesting tid-bit!! I wonder if you would encounter interference though from the existing network outside, you know, pilot polution. That is, if your signal outside was good but inside was marginal before you installed the unit.
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Re free

Why do the cell phone companies want to charge me 15.00 per month to use my hi speed connection? So the customer has to pay extra because they have poor coverage? Am I missing something?

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Re: Re free

lol exactly.. might as well use voip if you are gonna use broadband phone
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It's an option. You don't have to take it. If it isn't worth 15 bucks a month for unlimited calling and great coverage inside of your home or office to you then don't subscribe. I bet a LOT of people will decide that it is though.

If they simply advertised it as "15 a month for unlimited calling from home!" without making an issue of the tech behind it then people would be all over it.

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Re: Re free

said by nokiatech See Profile :

It's an option. You don't have to take it. If it isn't worth 15 bucks a month for unlimited calling and great coverage inside of your home or office to you then don't subscribe. I bet a LOT of people will decide that it is though.
Oh I'm betting this is for "Residential" use only. If someone installs it at a business... watch out. Businesses must pay more!! You see....
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Re: Re free

And it's probably $15 per phone as well.

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said by Rocketbob See Profile :

Why do the cell phone companies want to charge me 15.00 per month to use my hi speed connection? So the customer has to pay extra because they have poor coverage? Am I missing something?
Yes you are missing something. This device gives any Sprint customer (not just those with a "special" wifi phone as Tmobile does), the ability to make unlimited calls while within range of the device. If you are the type of person who works from home, or makes a lot of calls from home than this is ideal. You certainly arent going to get unlimited calls to anywhere in the US from your local telephone company for $15 a month, and this is potentially easier for some people than dealing with VoIP. If you happen to be a Sprint customer (perhaps your company requires it, or you get a deal, etc) but dont have good coverage at home then this is also good for you. Furthermore, some people live/work in buildings that prevent cell signals from reaching them (ie ME), so something like this would be a godsend.
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Re: Re free

it is unlimited ONLY to the people who add the plan on their account. for people who don't i assume it will give them coverage but will take their normal minutes. tmobiles let you use up to 5.

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said by jgkolt See Profile :

it is unlimited ONLY to the people who add the plan on their account. for people who don't i assume it will give them coverage but will take their normal minutes. tmobiles let you use up to 5.
Correct, however in all honesty the people who use it most often will already have that plan on their account. According to Sprint you can have 50 people registered to use the device. As an aside, you could buy this device and NOT add that plan to your account if your home has poor coverage.
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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

As an aside, you could buy this device and NOT add that plan to your account if your home has poor coverage.
I haven't heard Sprint officially say if they're going to allow subscribers other than the owning subscriber and its affiliated account devices use the service if they come into range. My assumption is the cell will be limited to the owner and his/her affiliated devices.

Allowing any and every SprintPCS device onto it that comes into range could present bandwidth problems for users in apartments and urban areas.

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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

As an aside, you could buy this device and NOT add that plan to your account if your home has poor coverage.
I haven't heard Sprint officially say if they're going to allow subscribers other than the owning subscriber and its affiliated account devices use the service if they come into range. My assumption is the cell will be limited to the owner and his/her affiliated devices.

Allowing any and every SprintPCS device onto it that comes into range could present bandwidth problems for users in apartments and urban areas.

}Davoice
Sprint mentions this numerous times on their website. Any Sprint CDMA phone that comes into contact with the device will have access to it. However, only users with the $15 plan will get unlimited usage. Everyone else will simply use their normal minutes. Furthermore, the device only handles 3 concurrent calls, so the bandwidth consumed isnt an issue. You can also limit what phones access the device by phone number so that only you (or your family, friends, etc.) can use it instead of the local Sprint tower. You can actually add up to 50 phone numbers into the devices "white list", so there could be some very cool applications of this!

For more information, check out the link below.
»airave.sprint.com/faq.html
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Re: Re free

Ok... so an urban dweller could possibly be locked out of making calls on his/her own Airwave unit due to the 3 concurrent call limit unless they know to setup the whitelist.

In places like college town apartments I can see that being an issue.

Remember, if Sprint has the PRL (preferred roaming list) on all of its phones set to prefer these Airwave devices over the regular network - which it would have to do to ensure at home calls used the thing in the first place - then every Sprint phone in proximity to the Airwave would be trying to use it.

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said by davoice See Profile :

Ok... so an urban dweller could possibly be locked out of making calls on his/her own Airwave unit due to the 3 concurrent call limit unless they know to setup the whitelist.
I would say that is quite possible. For this reason the device is relatively low powered. It also likely comes with at least your number programed into it so that doesnt happen.

said by davoice See Profile :

Remember, if Sprint has the PRL (preferred roaming list) on all of its phones set to prefer these Airwave devices over the regular network - which it would have to do to ensure at home calls used the thing in the first place - then everyone in proximity to the Airwave would be trying to use it.
Thats an interesting point. Generally speaking, the phone will select the nearest tower to connect to. In this case the phone will likely see this device as the nearest Sprint tower and try to connect to it. As you mentioned, everyone within the relatively small coverage area of this device will be trying to connect to it. This shouldnt really be an issue however, especially if the device comes preloaded with your phones' credentials.

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The unit will actually transmit the SSID for the market that it is in. So the PRL of the handset will not know that it is on one of these or a traditional tower. In fact, these little mini "base stations" are actually incorporated into the networks "neighbor list". For those who understand CDMA technology, that is pretty tough to maintain when you have these boxes moving and springing up all over your network. So handoffs between towers and femtocells can occur...Neat stuff.

The other advantage that the Sprint unit will have over the GSM carriers is E911. Since this operates on the PCS frequencies, it must be E911 compliant. Remember, T-Mobile's similar product utilizes unlicensed spectrum.

The problem with Verizon is their frequencies. Some of their markets are 850Mhz and other markets are 1900Ghz. So that makes their box more complex. If they do roll it out, look for the legacy A/B band cell markets to not get it right away. Not enough frequencies to share.

This truly will be the future of wireless in the home.

Cool stuff...

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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

said by Rocketbob See Profile :

Why do the cell phone companies want to charge me 15.00 per month to use my hi speed connection? So the customer has to pay extra because they have poor coverage? Am I missing something?
Yes you are missing something. This device gives any Sprint customer (not just those with a "special" wifi phone as Tmobile does), the ability to make unlimited calls while within range of the device. If you are the type of person who works from home, or makes a lot of calls from home than this is ideal. You certainly arent going to get unlimited calls to anywhere in the US from your local telephone company for $15 a month, and this is potentially easier for some people than dealing with VoIP. If you happen to be a Sprint customer (perhaps your company requires it, or you get a deal, etc) but dont have good coverage at home then this is also good for you. Furthermore, some people live/work in buildings that prevent cell signals from reaching them (ie ME), so something like this would be a godsend.
I agree. I would like Verizon to offer this so that cell phone coverage in my house, which is marginal, would be much better. I could then drop landline service all together.
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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

said by Rocketbob See Profile :

Why do the cell phone companies want to charge me 15.00 per month to use my hi speed connection? So the customer has to pay extra because they have poor coverage? Am I missing something?
Yes you are missing something. This device gives any Sprint customer (not just those with a "special" wifi phone as Tmobile does), the ability to make unlimited calls while within range of the device. If you are the type of person who works from home, or makes a lot of calls from home than this is ideal. You certainly arent going to get unlimited calls to anywhere in the US from your local telephone company for $15 a month, and this is potentially easier for some people than dealing with VoIP. If you happen to be a Sprint customer (perhaps your company requires it, or you get a deal, etc) but dont have good coverage at home then this is also good for you. Furthermore, some people live/work in buildings that prevent cell signals from reaching them (ie ME), so something like this would be a godsend.
I agree. I would like Verizon to offer this so that cell phone coverage in my house, which is marginal, would be much better. I could then drop landline service all together.
It looks like you can simply buy one of these for $50 and not sign up for a plan if you are so inclined. If your existing plan gives you enough minutes (and you dont need the $15 add on plan), then this would be a great way of giving you full coverage at your house (assuming you had Sprint of course!).
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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

This device gives any Sprint customer (not just those with a "special" wifi phone as Tmobile does), the ability to make unlimited calls while within range of the device.
This is mostly picking nits but it doesn't give "any" Sprint customer the ability to do this. There are some 20 million "Sprint" customers using iDEN devices, and this doesn't work for us.

Nice concept, though. As an aside, I was sent a questionnaire from NEXTEL back in 2004 (pre-merger) about a product like this, so they were apparently investigating it as well. Its a good idea, its the pricing/reliability that will make or break it.
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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

said by Rocketbob See Profile :

Why do the cell phone companies want to charge me 15.00 per month to use my hi speed connection? So the customer has to pay extra because they have poor coverage? Am I missing something?
Yes you are missing something. This device gives any Sprint customer (not just those with a "special" wifi phone as Tmobile does), the ability to make unlimited calls while within range of the device. If you are the type of person who works from home, or makes a lot of calls from home than this is ideal. You certainly arent going to get unlimited calls to anywhere in the US from your local telephone company for $15 a month, and this is potentially easier for some people than dealing with VoIP. If you happen to be a Sprint customer (perhaps your company requires it, or you get a deal, etc) but dont have good coverage at home then this is also good for you. Furthermore, some people live/work in buildings that prevent cell signals from reaching them (ie ME), so something like this would be a godsend.
You beat me to it. After reading a few posts, it amazed me how people were not reading into what this device is good for. For people who have a broadband connection but crappy service in your house (Sprint doesn't own the market on this on, Verizon and AT&T is as bad if not worse in many markets), by living out in the "burbs", you now can pay the 15 bucks +50 for the device and your cell now works not only in the "area of coverage" but in your basement too where it never worked before. This I think causes lots of cell users to choose a company that sucks most places but works in homes (Tmobile, Verizon.. you listening?) This is a nice device but since I have max bars already on my 4 Sprint phones at home, it's not something I would buy. But if I lived out in the boonies where I had DSL or faster BB, I would drop my wired phone down to the minimum just to get dial tone and pick up one these units. People need to see what door this is opening for cell phone use and as far as Verizon providing such a device.. they could but they can't figure out yet how to rip off it's customers yet and make them feel good about getting gouged. It's just there way.

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said by Rocketbob See Profile :

So the customer has to pay extra because they have poor coverage?
I'd be shopping around for a new carrier if I was given the option of paying $15 more a month for what I should be getting in the amount I currently pay.
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sprint on the other hand is known for having bad coverage outside of the major highways so this would help them out.
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Re: Re free

Who's this known by? Sprint has probably the best roaming agreements, and you can't beat CDMA coverage.

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True! We are building out their network out for them and they are charging US to do what THEY should be doing! Instead, they should be compensating us for for the usage of our internet connections. After all, they are using our internet connections to benifit their other customers.

I wonder how many people will be violating their terms of service agreements because they are making their internet connections available to parties outside their premises? I know my cablemodem provider explicitly states that sharing my internet connection via wireless connections with neighbors is strictly prohibited.
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Wonder if....

I wonder if its possible to use femtocell and a cell phone using a voip provider and bypassing Sprint.

Hehe

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said by jniamehr See Profile :

I wonder if its possible to use femtocell and a cell phone using a voip provider and bypassing Sprint.
That is what I want to know!

Also, will anyone Sprint user in the area be able to use my service? What if we have more than 1 phone, can all use this? At the same time?

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>

Didn't cingular already do something like this?

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IF they did, they were just the first to market the device. It is likely that all of the cell providers started working on this about the same time.

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UMA is a better solution

Sure, it needs compatible handsets, but it works over regular WiFi and not femtocell. WiFi is everywhere. Femtocell not so much.

T-Mo's Hotspot@Home service works pretty well. Not flawlessly, but close enough. I went from a 5000 minute plan to the 700 minute plan and don't even use half of those "cell" minutes because WiFi is everywhere.

It's hard to miss the strong undertones....people don't like being tied to a landline anymore and are looking for a mobile calling solution that doesn't limit usage.

The reason you won't see this sort of innovation from T or VZ is because they have a vested interest in keeping you tied to a wire...Sprint and T-Mo are in the exact opposite position. T and VZ are going to lose this battle and it may just cost them the war.

While T-Mo and Sprint...and, soon, others offering consumers what they want...AT&T is delivering you your world 50's style by letting you call all your friends and family still on copped for free using your mobile phone. ...and VZ doesn't get that "it's the network" only if that network goes where consumers want it to go. ...and an army of people, some flying overhead inhelicopters, can't go inside your home where you really want to use your phone.
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Re: UMA is a better solution

Verizon coverage i must say is usually the best but in my new place (which is practically the side of a hill) i get barely anything, but no one does.
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Why?

I have exclusive service with AT&T (Cingular) and it works where I need it, when I need it. It even works at home and even in parts of my basement. I have not had a landline in forever. With unlimited N&W plus rollover, I never go over and have virtually unlimited usage as well. Has been working for me since about 2002.

The only looser in this is VZ, which is fine by me. They need to go away.

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Looks Cool...

Very nice... I have Sprint provided by work, my home is between area's not covered by Sprint. 15.00 a month seems kind a steep if you ask me, I am still considering this. If I can get the boss to cover the 15.00...lol

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Re: Looks Cool...

$15/month isn't steep since it includes unlimited calling. Most people will be able to reduce their prime minutes to possibly half since all calls from home will be unlimited.

I suspect it will do well priced at $15/month.

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Re: Looks Cool...

I agree. It's less of an offering to make up for poor service at home, and more of a VoIP replacement. $15 for unlimited VoIP calling; sounds alright. I assume you can bring the box with you if you want, like VoIP, too.

Personally, if AT&T offerred this, I'd ditch my VoIP service at home. I'm tired of two numbers and two voicemails!

Now I'm just waiting for the news story that AT&T starts throttling these connections and asking Verizon to pay to use "their pipes." Good thing for that merger neutrality promise...?

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So your phone can bluetooth to your cellphone than your cellphone can access the samsung ubicell and access your internet connection to make voip calls. If its vz or at&t,the telco can pick the call at the 1st hop and carry it QOS. Why will we need pots or cable voip. AT&T is using a 2wire gateway for u-verse google 2wire femtocell

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The coverage radius is up to 5,000 square feet.

The coverage radius is up to 5,000 square feet.

That is "up to" 39.9 feet from the base!
Good enough for inside my house.

But it says "up to" not "at least".
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

stupid price...

Couldn't you just BUY a VOIP line for your home.. some plans are even as low as $15 for the YEAR (skype). Aol matches this price for $15 per month... it seems sprint would have to do better than that, considering they are already ROBBING you deaf dumb and blind already for the cellular minutes.

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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable

Cool!

I was intrigued when I first read about this a while back. I'm curious how much of my upstream this kind of AP would take up. From the sound of things, if you hook one of these units up it basically mimics a cell tower and would provide cell service to ANY Sprint user within range.

So, in essence, my precious bandwidth (upstream anyway, since I don't care about downstream bandwidth) could be used by neighbors with Sprint without my knowing it? Also, and I know this is probably a silly question, but would my broadband connection be further utilized by neighbors with Vision or EVDO? Do the femtocells offer data connections to Sprint users within range?

- Tate

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·buckeye cable

Re: Cool!

I answered my own question somewhat -- at the end of the Airave presentation (»airave.sprint.com/?id9=vanity:airave) they mention that ringtones, text messages, etc., will be billed normally. That strongly suggest to me that data service WILL be available through the femotocell (though probably not EVDO). If anyone finds information to the contrary, please correct me.

Also, it says that only *three* phones will be able to use a AP at once, so at least voice traffic won't completely saturate your broadband connection if you live around several Sprint using families.

- Tate

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xenophon

join:2007-09-17

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GPS enabled?

The manual mentions GPS. Wonder what that's about...

»airave.sprint.com/airaveUserGuide.pdf

Also note that it can do 1xRTT data but not EVDO.

texans20
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Re: GPS enabled?

said by xenophon See Profile :

The manual mentions GPS. Wonder what that's about...

»airave.sprint.com/airaveUserGuide.pdf

Also note that it can do 1xRTT data but not EVDO.
GPS is required for the base station to work. I read somewhere it was an FCC requirement due to the fact this thing emits a CDMA signal, or something to that effect. The base will not work without a GPS signal. Also, it will be used for E911 to transmit GPS information to the PSAP.
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Re: GPS enabled?

I'm thinking the GPS is only used for signal timing purposes. I may be totally off base though.

- Tate

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singh

join:2002-01-30
Everett, WA

AT&T

Will AT&T jump on this bandwagon soon?. I am sure Iphone aficionados would love to dish out 15 bucks for this type of convenience.

buckingham
Buckingham Pa

join:2005-07-17
Buckingham, PA
·Vonage

Re: AT&T

said by singh See Profile :

Will AT&T jump on this bandwagon soon?. I am sure Iphone aficionados would love to dish out 15 bucks for this type of convenience.
I hope they do...our house is a dead-spot...antennas are on the hill behind us but the hill, itself, shields us from enough signal to use our wireless phones indoors. (Same with any other carrier) Both our personal and my business phone are with AT&T and staying there, so I hope they come up with something that fills this hole. We might even be able to actually use a lot more of our minutes that way!

dcurrey
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join:2004-06-29
·ViaTalk

Trying to dump pots.

This might be a good option to tip a few more people over to cell only service. No pots line in house.

You have your cell minutes pay addition $15 for unlimited home minutes. Not a bad deal.

You may be able to get away with a smaller minutes package from sprint using this option so that would recoup some of the $15.

evilghost
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join:2003-11-22
Springville, AL
·Windstream


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Not really that bad...

This really isn't that a bad of a solution. I prefer UMA because it enables me to associate with any 802.11b/g access point/router and not be tied to a specific network device, however, the flexibility in using any handset versus a UMA equipped phone also has strong benefits.

T-Mobile is a little cheaper with their UMA solution at $9.99/mo versus $15 for unlimited WiFi calling but each carrier has different pricing plans and tiers.

The main concern would be how much bandwidth is used, is the VOIP infrastructure in place to handle the load, and is call quality superior to cellular like UMA (which sounds like land-line).

High bandwidth users better QoS this device to avoid jitter.

There do seem to be some security concerns, it appears you must interact with Sprint's less than stellar customer service to secure the device. With UMA I can control the level of security using standard WiFi practices (WEP/WPA-PSK/WPA2-PSK/NAC/etc)

Can other Sprint customers use my Sprint AIRAVE?

All Sprint customers with a Sprint CDMA handset can use the AIRAVE device. However, the customer must have the unlimited calling plan on their account in order to take advantage of the unlimited calling plan.
Can I restrict who has access to my Sprint AIRAVE?

Yes, you can limit who has access to your AIRAVE device by creating a list of approved Sprint phone numbers (up to 50 phone numbers). You can create your list by calling Customer Care at (888) 211-4727.
xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: Not really that bad...

Page 11 of the user guide says it needs 40Kbps up/downlink for each caller, up to 3 simultaneous calls, so up to 120Kbps each direction.

»airave.sprint.com/airaveUserGuide.pdf

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·Windstream

Re: Not really that bad...

said by xenophon See Profile :

Page 11 of the user guide says it needs 40Kbps up/downlink for each caller, up to 3 simultaneous calls, so up to 120Kbps each direction.

»airave.sprint.com/airaveUserGuide.pdf
That's about what I see on UMA as well, around ~37Kbps
CMoore2004
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join:2003-02-06
Jonesville, MI

Great news

I get almost no coverage at my dad's house, who is on my family plan. He uses the phone mostly for work, but it'd be nice if it worked better at home. Since I do most of my calling at home, I could drop my plan from the 1400 minutes shared to 700. I already get great Sprint service in my house, but I could save $20 on the plan and add the $15 for unlimited calling.

One thing that gets my curiosity is how it works with family plans. Is it $15 for unlimited for all of my phones on the plan? If so, I could buy two of these devices and save around $60/month.

The most important thing is Sprint's network. While many of you recognize Sprint as a major wireless provider, they're also a major ISP with their own very reliable backbone. Check out »www.sprint.net

I've never been to a hotel where I don't get CDMA coverage of some sort, but I imagine I could pack this thing, take it with me, and have unlimited calling in the hotel instead of paying the hotel's rates or using my plan's minutes.

I'll be buying at least 1 as soon as I can.
scooper

join:2000-07-11
Youngsville, NC

Would be cool if I could use my VirginMobile phone on it

Would be cool if I could use my VirginMobile phone on it - - if it is truly "ANY Sprint CDMA device" ....
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