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Sprint Promises Peak Speeds of 180 Mbps By 2015
by Karl Bode 08:54AM Thursday Jul 03 2014
Speaking at the Light Reading Big Telecom Event in Chicago, Sprint stated the company hopes to significantly boost speeds beyond the "Spark" upgrades already being deployed. "By 2015 you're going see these peak speeds of 180 Mbit/s, where you're getting peak speeds of 60 Mbit/s today," Sprint vice president of network development and engineering Jay Bluhm told the audience. Sprint's Spark upgrade currently uses 1,900 MHz, 800 MHz, and 2.5 GHz tri-band LTE support, but isn't yet available in all areas. Bluhm states that Multiple antenna arrays combined with eight-transmit/eight-receive (8T8R) radios at cellsites will boost both the range and speed of the LTE TDD 2.5 GHz element of Sprint's Spark (in time improving Sprint's dismal recent showing in many LTE speed tests).

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dvd536
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180mbps

do we really need that kind of speed* on a device with 4 inch screen?

* yeah on a empty network under optimal lab conditions
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existenz

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Re: 180mbps

No app needs more than a few Mbps. I just want them to keep unlimited and enough capacity to maintain at least a few Mbps. I stick with Sprint for the unlimited, using over 10GB/month.

Would rather have 3-5Mbps unlimited than 1Gbps with a 10GB cap. Am in mostly completed Spark area so often get 20-30 up to 60 but am fine with just a few Mbps. They need to focus on getting Spark on literally every single site, not some sites here and there.

Anno

@68.62.236.x

Re: 180mbps

said by existenz:

No app needs more than a few Mbps. I just want them to keep unlimited and enough capacity to maintain at least a few Mbps. I stick with Sprint for the unlimited, using over 10GB/month.

Would rather have 3-5Mbps unlimited than 1Gbps with a 10GB cap. Am in mostly completed Spark area so often get 20-30 up to 60 but am fine with just a few Mbps. They need to focus on getting Spark on literally every single site, not some sites here and there.

I wouldn't stick with Sprint for unlimited anymore, they are not unlimited.

»Sprint Starts Throttling Top 5% of Users in Congested Markets

Though that is worded as top heavy users in a congested market only, the actual sprint docs say "currently customers who typically use 5 GB or more in a given month are likely to fall within the top 5% of data users."

I've heard internal rumors also that even if it's not a congested tower you can be throttled if you use too much. This notification was just to try to ease people into it.

It's sad really. T-mobile also offers unlimited on ALL plans, just you go from LTE to UMTS (which still blows Sprint 3G away) if you're not on the LTE unlimited plan.

I wish Sprint would offer similar, cheaper plans without unlimited LTE but that fall back to 3G unlimited (which everyone on Sprint is use too hah) for cheaper prices after you use your bucket.

Instead it's here is lots of speed so you can hit it faster.
existenz

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Re: 180mbps

Is only if a site is overloaded and only while site is loaded, which is less likely on full Spark sites. Tmobile doesn't work in outer areas I visit, Sprint has better roaming agreements and now rural LTE partners.

Using over 10GB/month, I haven't been limited. Might be for 100GB+ users and only if/while site overloaded. They are likely those unofficially rooted hotspot as primary home service, and they should be limited.

Smith6612
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No, but if it means enough capacity to guarantee unlimited data, then yes.
Mibo

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Kansas City, KS
empty promise anyway

shimonmor
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Sedro Woolley, WA

1 recommendation

Sprint needs to get their house in order first

I just need about 2-3Mbps and that would be fine. 3G around here way always around modem speed (56k) then 4G came and life was great...for about 10 months...and now 4G during peak hours is back under 1Mbps to about 200-300kbps. Nice work Sprint. Can't wait for 180Mbps.

scott2020

join:2008-07-20
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Re: Sprint needs to get their house in order first

Once again, always a year or two from greatness. We've heard the same crap over and over. Let me know when it really happens.
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Re: Sprint needs to get their house in order first

said by scott2020:

Once again, always a year or two from greatness. We've heard the same crap over and over. Let me know when it really happens.

Coverage, coverage, coverage!!!
Sprint keeps bragging about speed when they really need to do something about coverage. Their coverage is horrible. Even in cities where they claim to provide superfast LTE, their coverage is like a slice of swiss cheese. Very fast on 1 block, and then go 2 blocks away and they barely can provide 300 kbps.

mackey
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Re: Sprint needs to get their house in order first

Sprint has neither speed nor coverage. They need to fix both not just 1.

/M
kevinsheeks

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this summed it up so well I laughed in fell out my chair lol
sonicmerlin

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I wonder what the cause of that is. It's too bad sprint doesn't explain what's going on.

n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY

ROTLMAO!

Sprint promised Network Vision would be done by now and my home tower is still not upgraded. 2013 was supposed to be the year! Maybe they should add five years to their predicted date. If I were not already with Sprint, I would not sign up until I saw the proof that they were up and running.
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SteelerRaw

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Re: ROTLMAO!

said by n2jtx:

Sprint promised Network Vision would be done by now and my home tower is still not upgraded.

The one in Glen Head at 40.83427N 73.62686W? Site ID NY27XC692? Actually that site has indeed been upgraded to LTE though you obviously cannot detect that since you are using an iPhone 4S.
amungus
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that's crazy talk

8x8 antenna, in a phone?

I'm also curious how this will work out with their higher frequency bands (1.9/2.5Ghz). Especially the 2.5Ghz stuff. Isn't that essentially useless except for "outdoor" and "next to a window, pointed directly at a tower, not moving?"

I do hope they continue to improve on this front. In many areas, I've seen their standard LTE perform just fine though. 7-8Mbps is plenty for basic surfing and occasional video clips. In other areas, I guess it's fair to knock them for some congestion issues. That comes back to towers - they have fewer than other carriers, and apparently some places still need improved backhaul connections.

Also, here's an advertising tip: The insane hamster commercials are ...insane... how that sells anybody on anything, I do not know. Please, for the love of America, stop it with the talking hamster business. This is money down the drain. Stop talking about being awesome, and BE awesome first. Once you really are better, THEN brag about it a little.
sonicmerlin

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Re: that's crazy talk

The 8x8 antennas would be on the towers, not in the phones. Having multiple antennas allows for multiple spatial streams allowing for greater speeds, and apparently more robust performance in edge territories.

Putting everyone outdoors on 2.5 GHz frees up bandwidth for lower frequencies used indoors.

hamburglar_

join:2002-04-29
united state

Hmm...

Peak on one tower, during a full moon on a Thursday in the rain.
Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

Too little, too late

How about you just get good 4G in your markets in general before you move on?

I am getting ready to pay $400 in ETF's so I can move 3 of my lines to another carrier as I am so fed with their crap service. If I was not going out of town straight from work today I would be doing that this weekend. So they got lucky and have me for another week.
Cogdis

join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY

Re: Too little, too late

Indeed. I have Spark at work and it's awesome, but I haven't seen it anywhere else! Like most people I don't care about the technology or a crazy (theoretical) top speed, I just want to be able to use all the features on my phones wherever I am! Right now my phone spends far too much time jumping between 3G and LTE (which means NO connectivity whatsoever)!

Cover your ENTIRE network with decent LTE and then worry about all this stuff!
grabacon9

join:2013-08-21

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Caps.

I am not too excited with crap caps. Mobile will never compare to DSL or Cable Internet for sure.

whfsdude
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Re: Caps.

said by grabacon9:

I am not too excited with crap caps. Mobile will never compare to DSL or Cable Internet for sure.

At least with Clearwire you could use a lot of data. 2-5mbit/s unlimited sure beats 180mbit/s capped.

mixdup

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Calera, AL
at 180Mbps, with a 5GB cap, you'd blow through your data cap in 227 seconds.
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said by grabacon9:

Mobile will never compare to DSL or Cable Internet for sure

I'd have to disagree on DSL, were it not for crap caps, LTE can beat many many instances of DSL already. You'd be surprised how many people are stuck at speeds of 6 megs or below on DSL. Of course, reading on this site you can see how that's by design for many current and former customers of At&t and Verizon at the very least.
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I'll believe it when I see it Sprint...

I'll believe it when I see it Sprint. Everything else they've ever done falls into the sub par category, so I think i'll add this one to the list. I hope i'm wrong, but based off their performance in the say 10 years I have a feeling I could bet on this failing.
silbaco
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Sprint

Still waiting for them to expand coverage. But from the looks of it, that is never going to happen.

SHABAZZ

join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA

Sprint loves to over promise and under deliver!!!

Instead of upgrading their network they tend to spend more time telling the press about what they are going to do in the future. Sprint customers were supposed to get better service when they added 800 & 2.5 but it never happened! And now they are promising what they plan on doing in the future before they even finish what they promised to do few years ago!

When my contract with Sprint ends I'll be moving my account and the 3 phones tied to it over to Verizon wireless! Verizon might be more expense but I'm sick and tried of being promised improvements that never happen!!!

IPPlanMan
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Coverage Map Updates?

Sprint hasn't updated its coverage map since June 13th...
»coverage.sprint.com/IMPACT.jsp?I···G:HE:Cov

Still no announcement about officially launching LTE in DC either.

atcotr

@65.60.144.x

I'll believe it when I see it

They've been promising a usable network since 2011. It's not just Internet speed, but basic voice calls that need to be fixed. As in not having calls connect to the sound of dead air or drop 1/3 of the time. I've already switched away.
tmc8080

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pie in the sky

the most powerful handsets today struggle to do 40 - 60mbits.. tripling that speed would KILL battery life to just under 2 hours of usage (similar to old style laptops). nevertheless, sprint will be charging a hefty block of cash.. don't think your going to get unlimited usage for $40 a month... it will probably even cost more then $70 a month where many unlimited (no or 'high' usage caps) service plans for data exist..

These speeds are where the max LTE 4 limits are, LTE 5 requires completely new antenna elements and will be problematic for deployment (so I keep reading). Also, many of these cell sites aren't provisioned with enough fiber to support all that much more bandwidth.

I don't see demand for this product yet.. at the prices they'd have to charge for the service.. that's why you could call it pie in the sky builds. Bragging rights against ATT and Verizon are for footprint supremecy (QOS at current speeds), not bandwidth in micro zones around limited amount of towers-- might as well go on wifi it's closer to "FREE"

XANAVirus
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West Virginia

Sprint is pretty good here: at least the latency of 100-130ms is consistent. We get about 1.5Mbps down, but the upload needs to be way more stable (usually about 800kbps right now).

We haven't seen any of those upgrades from 3G to 4G at all here. And yet Sprint still talks about Sprint Spark speeds and upgrades, which I'm sure we'll never see here.

Due to their staggered rollout we have never been slated to receive any upgrades...When is that coming Sprint?

IPPlanMan
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Re: West Virginia

Sprint was in much worse shape than any carrier when Network Vision started.

The delays are primarily due to these factors: 1) touching every tower for upgrades; 2) Backhaul; 3) Vendor delays for tower equipment

Upgrades don't matter if the backhaul isn't there. If Samsung doesn't have the gear ready, then that delays things too.

Sprint is in this position due to years of mismanagement. Doesn't excuse it. It explains it.

Network Vision is a rip and rebuild of the entire network. Unlike the other carriers, Sprint had completely inadequate backhaul to the majority of its towers. It also had a half baked buildout of 4G which needed to be reclaimed. Combine that with mismanagement of the project itself and we have what we've got.

Tsume
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The reason you were never slated for upgrades is that your market is not actually controlled by Sprint. Sprint has a contract with nTelos to use their towers and for them to eventually upgrade to Sprint's "network vision". It's the same situation with Shentel areas except Shentel upgraded very early where nTelos was contemplating saying no to Sprint. Most of WV and SWVA/Central VA is nTelos.
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sprint merger

I really hope the T-Mobile and sprint merger happens because these comments are hilarious and we need more of them.
antonio010

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The new Sprint Slogan

Like I've said before:

Sprint - Promising tomorrow...tomorrow.
kevinsheeks

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Re: The new Sprint Slogan

haahhahahaha i wanna try

Sprint . . . the someday network
keason
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No credibility

I would be happy just to get 5Mb/sec on a consistent basis. Even in cities Sprint has more 2G/3G than 4G. How about 800Mhz near the Canadian border like in Nextel days?

w0g
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Springfield, OR

Re: No credibility

actually you are right. it's fucking BIZARE. Sprint's network, when they say they launch a town with LTE, does not have LTE everywhere. instead they got worse than swiss cheese LTE. like they're acting like their normal network is 3G but set up LTE towers here and there like it's WiFi.

On T-Mobile their network is entirely LTE with a few HSPA+ fallbacks in between. outside the city of course it's mixed LTE/4G or falls back to EDGE.

I cannot even get Sprint LTE at my house. and large parts of town are 3G only.

this is in Eugene/Springfield, OR. LTE has been here for about a year unofficially and officially launched this year for Sprint. T-Mobile launched theirs last June and it was unofficially on for a few months before that..
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w0g
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wait a minute..

Sprint is telling us they are deploying this peak speed by 2015. That is only 6 months away.

This is exciting because it's only 6 months away. And it finally looks like Sprint is going to have a killer app again.

But there is one problem. Spark is only deployed in a handful of markets. And when I tried Sprint the regular LTE was not as good as T-Mobile .. (I never had a chance to try Spark.) The biggest problem with Sprint is spotty coverage and signal drops and low signal levels (overall I had higher signal strength with T-Mobile. Sprint always had lower signal strength no matter what I tried; even with full bars, Sprint showed lower levels of attenuation on the Android control panel. I also noticed LTE and 3G performance bombed if the signal was low on Sprint, which is probably why Sprint scores the lowest in all LTE benchmarks..).

Sprint might very well be the network for people who travel a lot. It gives them the chance to taste Spark speed at least on occasion. But if Spark is not in your native area and you don't travel much then I'd stick with T-Mobile.

BTW T-Mobile has upgrades coming this year, too. They plan to have LTE in all locations where there is only currently EDGE. EDGE sucks of course, and this will give them LTE where even other providers have none. Like outside of Eugene or along I-5 in Oregon? That is a 4G dead zone. You get either 3G or EDGE depending on provider. T-Mobile will have LTE there by end of 2014 according to recent press releases ..

And all minor towns that previously had no 4G and only EDGE/cellular are supposed to have LTE, too. The whole network is going LTE.
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Dan Hesse

@72.200.222.x

lol

when sprint reaches 180mbps the others wil be at 10gbs .

note2Sprint

@74.115.237.x

News Flash..

I just want what I have to work at the speeds you brag about. Nothing more, nothing less. When my calls, to sum it up in one word, suxs, 9 out of 10 times I use my phone (and it does not matter where or what tower I hit), then you, SPRINT, have SERIOUS issues and not just at the puzzle palace in reston or overland park but at the SWITCH level that needs some work. You need to can all and I mean ALL of your engineers and bring back all the ones you canned in 09-10 and fix your F'd up network. Nuff said.