 JJVPremium
join:2001-04-25
Seattle, WA | Clearwire? The Clearwire reviews are horrible. My girlfriend has to open her window and set the modem on the roof to get it to work.
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 |  seamanPremium
join:2000-12-08
Seattle, WA | Re: Clearwire? said by JJV:The Clearwire reviews are horrible. My girlfriend has to open her window and set the modem on the roof to get it to work. » ClearwireThird pipe my A**! The new "4G" network that Clearwire and Sprint are drawing up is supposed to be quite different and superior to the current Clearwire network. Clearwire works great if you stay within 1000 ft. of a tower and stand perfectly still.  | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: Clearwire? I believe in most markets Clearwire uses "pre-WiMax" technology developed by Motorola, which is non-standard and not that great. I suppose all their current customers will have to get new modems when their areas get upgraded. | |
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| | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Clearwire? So why haven't they upgraded yet if they are serious? | |
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| | | What Clearwire is using now is not at all the same as what Sprint/Clearwire will be deploying. Basing it off of current Clearwire reviews is retarded. | |
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| |  MrMoodyFree range slavePremium
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | Re: Clearwire? You're right, it's not the same, the new system is geared toward the mobile market just as PDXPLT said. It will be too expensive and/or limited for home use anywhere there's any kind of decent DSL or cable.
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| | JJVPremium
join:2001-04-25
Seattle, WA | So a technology update will suddenly improve a company that blocks ports, p2p and restricts bandwidth use?
I doubt it. | |
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| | | | | Re: Clearwire? I don't recall saying anything about how the company operates? | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Don't forget, the ownership structure of "the new" Clearwire is almost completely different than "the old" Clearwire- current CLWR shareholders will only have about a quarter of the new company, the rest will be owned by cablecos and Sprint.
Alright, cablecos are big on throttling and blocking p2p, but Sprint isn't terrible- they were the last big cellphone company to institute a cap, which is better than being the first I suppose. | |
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 Darkflight4G Stitch626
join:2001-03-03
Rowland Heights, CA | Lets not shoot it down before it happens Well Wimax has been proven to be a viable technology since many countries and companies are using it or in process of deploying it. Lets see what happens, you never know... Not that long time ago, someone thought a cellphone wasn't something people would ever want to use... | |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | I'm still waiting..... For the Broadband Zeppelins!
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| KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Kinda adds a different meaning to "My Internet is down"... ... or "My Internet Crashed...." ....
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| |  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Kinda adds a different meaning to "My Internet is down"... My internet has crashed and burned.
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| | Pipes! "Pipes, pipes, pipes! Wait 'til the kids in their Chevys see these pipes!"
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MrMoodyFree range slavePremium
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | Never No wireless broadband will ever make a comparable third pipe, it costs too much and has too limited bandwidth per area to ever serve enough customers to be competitive. It will thus always cost more and be more limited than a hard connection.
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| PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | Re: Never said by MrMoody:No wireless broadband will ever make a comparable third pipe, it costs too much and has too limited bandwidth per area to ever serve enough customers to be competitive. It will thus always cost more and be more limited than a hard connection. Yea, but most regulators don't care.
What the regulators want is the ability to say that there is a very competitive market in BB providers; thus, they need a "third pipe story". Then they don't have to worry about the provision in the 1996 Telecomm Act that would require them to "take immedate action" if a competitive broadband market was not emerging. And since most of the current regulators believe laissez-faire capitalism is the answer to everything in all cases, no matter what the situation is in reality, they are loathe to take any action at all. In the past, they used BPL as their "third pipe" line, but that one is running stale. Clearwire knows they'll jump on this one, even though Clearwire's real strategy will be to go after high-revenue mobile broadband users.
Heck, I bet even the AT&T's and Verizon's of the world will publicly express support for this third pipe idea, which tells you 2 things: 1.) they believe the story will help stave off additional regulatory burdens, and 2.) they don't consider Clearwire a real threat to their fixed-line BB offerings. | |
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| | | | Re: Never How do you figure wireless will never make a comparable third pipe? If it wasnt for Wireless many areas would not have Internet service. I know of towns and cities that have wireless and people sign up for it before cable or DSL. | |
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| | | If you are a business needing a 3 to 10 MBPS symmetrical connection in an area not offering fiber, a wireless ISP is often the best deal by far; the only alternatives are a fractional T3, or bonding several T1 lines. | |
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| bac522
join:2003-08-04
Manchester, NH | Ya...just like cell phones will never replace land lines  | |
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| | MrMoodyFree range slavePremium
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | Re: Never I never made that incorrect prediction, because it was completely different: POTS land lines had no competition before and were (are) ridiculously overpriced. Cell phones need nowhere near the bandwidth or hours of usage per person of internet, so can be packed onto a tower much more efficiently. Even so, cell phones aren't any cheaper than POTS, in fact they are more expensive if you make many calls, but are more convenient and even necessary by being portable, and having one mostly replaces POTS, so you might as well eliminate the redundant bill. Not the same situation at all. I knew people dropping POTS lines for wireless phones 8 years ago.
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Yeah really... About the whole "third pipe" deal, of course nothing for the next few years will be able to replace fiber in terms of raw speed and such to the consumer for internet access, however in the area I'm going to college, right outside of campus the highest-speed offering is 8 Mbps Comcast with a 12 Mbps PowerBoost. Or 5 Mbps DSL. Properly-deployed WiMax can easily beat these speeds. SO yes, the third pipe thing could fly.
Though 4 Mbps broadband with no guaranteed data rate (seems to be the way WiMax is headed) for $40 a month isn't going to compete too much with people paying $45 a month fo cable internet, or about the same, after taxes and fees, for DSL. Just sayin'...
And no, I'm not under the delusion that Clearwire's current offering competes with anything the telco or cableco has in served areas. Though outside of those areas, where CW still reaches, it may well be a better option than what the local WiSP might offer.
Heck, I'm going to try to use wireless as a third pipe if I get a chance, though it'll take a pretty big investment to get the backbone necessary etc. On the other hand, I'd be competing, in most of the city, with a monopoly (cable) who hasn't quite capped things yet but isn't too great price-wise. In some places DSL is available but not many, and taxes + fees = $15-$20 added onto your $25+ a month broadband line. Outside of town you're limited to a "first pipe" monopoly: their prices are 2x what CW charges for the same thing or more, and their residential cap is 25GB per month. A lame affair generally.
IOW the more competition, the better...even if the competition is a rather shoddy wireless outfit like MegaCW. Couldn't be much more shoddy than Comcast right? | |
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join:2008-04-27
Miami, FL | How about some beta tests open to the public How about they shut the hell up with the PR and actually just start offering the service in some markets already. Even if it's pending regulatory approval a open beta test with the results to show how the network performs will actually prove that their mobile WiMAX platform can keep up to what users expect from it. | |
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| The humanity... Sprint is going DOWN [insert Hindenburg disaster quote here]!!
Losing customers almost as fast as another former bell company... what was their name? Mci.... Worldcom...bankruptcy scrap. Sold to Verizon for pennies on the dollar. Start eyeing up those worldwide fiber links now.. bidding will start at a penny! | |
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| | | Re: The humanity... Don't get premature. They still have over 52 million customers which ain't nothing to sneeze at. | |
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2 edits | Re: The humanity... Sprint is losing Nextel customers. They are gaining CDMA customers. Unfortunately they are losing Nextel customers at a faster rate than gaining CDMA.
The consumer electronics product industry will determine if WiMAX makes it or if LTE wins out in the end. LTE is controlled by 3GGP, the telcom industry, and is NOT very friendly to consumer product makers. WiMAX is IEEE like WiFi. Consumer electronics maker just need to drop in a WiMAX chipset like WiFi w/out having to deal with the carriers. It's much much cheaper to add WiMAX. Because of this, a much broader range of WiMAX products will likely be available, but only if the CEP makers embrace it. Chances are higher they will indeed embrace WiMAX over LTE.
It's difficult to envision a generic branded MP3 player/streamer including LTE down the road, but including WiMAX should be as easy as dropping in WiFi. | |
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adsldog
join:2000-12-01
Woodstock, GA |  If you are stuck with dial up WiMax is a great option
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 tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI | I don't get it.. oh wait.. yes I do. This remark right here:
LTE offerings from AT&T and Verizon Wireless may crush the effort in time, It's crap like this that says BBR are fanboys of VZW and AT&T. Are you really that ANTI Clearwire/Sprint that no matter why they do or produce, your TOTALLY putting it down? 
Just admit it guys. LTE isn't even a reality yet and it's all but crushed something that's in use, being improved and will be deployed for those places that REALLY matter before LTE makes it out of the lab. And what makes you so sure that LTE won't have a few years of "growing" pains? | |
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