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Sprint Sees 2.6 Gbps TD-LTE in Lab, Still Lags in Real World
by Karl Bode 12:25PM Wednesday Feb 05 2014
Nokia Solutions and Networks and Sprint today announced that the companies have achieved speeds of 2.6 Gbps in the lab using TD-LTE, breaking a previous company record of 1.6 Gbps. According to a press statement, Sprint used an aggregated 120 MHz of Sprint’s TDD spectrum and a Nokia Flexi Multiradio 10 Base Station to achieve the results.

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Back in October Sprint announced they'd be combining the company's 800 MHz, 1.9 GHz and 2.5 GHz LTE spectrum to provide what Sprint promises will be real-world downstream speeds of 50-60 Mbps. Those upgrades have slowly been making the rounds, but require you have a tri-band phone to appreciate.

In a blog post, Sprint CTO Stephen Bye acknowledges that while 2.6 Gbps isn't real-world performance, the company's Spark upgrades should ultimately allow for maximum downstream speeds of 180 Mbps "by late next year."

While lab speed increases are important, Sprint obviously has a lot of work to do in the real world, where an endless line of network performance tests have put Sprint's LTE network in last place not only in terms of speed, but latency as well. While Spark will deliver a much-needed boost to many users, many major markets are still waiting for any Sprint LTE launch whatsoever. With Sprint, the network you'll actually want to use always seems to be just around the corner.

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IPPlanMan
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The coming soon network...

The best thing ever is 1-2 years off. We promise.

n2jtx

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Re: The coming soon network...

said by IPPlanMan:

The best thing ever is 1-2 years off. We promise.

Wow, that long? I thought it was just six months away. That has been the story the last 2+ years. Maybe they are being "honest" now LOL.
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hamburglar_

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Re: The coming soon network...

90 days was the last story before I left... Then, once they got my FCC complaint and waived my ETF, it was "no exact ETA, so we'll waive that for you." Gee, Thanks. Buh Bye. I actually made money leaving Sprint after I sold my phones.
elefante72

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Spark. A bright light for a millisecond. What a stupid name. Meanwhile we have 300 baud speeds in my area. More like Spurt....

IPPlanMan
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Re: The coming soon network...

"Fizzle".

I actually like the name. The implementation sucks, but the name is good.

Sprint needs to do a trade-in plan of some kind or they'll have a bunch of customers with non-spark enabled phones clogging up certain bands of the network.

Also, if the next iPhone isn't Spark capable, that won't do them any favors either. The current iPhones (5S/5C) are not Spark capable. Throws a wrench into things.
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Re: The coming soon network...

said by IPPlanMan:

"Fizzle".

I actually like the name. The implementation sucks, but the name is good.

Sprint needs to do a trade-in plan of some kind or they'll have a bunch of customers with non-spark enabled phones clogging up certain bands of the network.

Also, if the next iPhone isn't Spark capable, that won't do them any favors either. The current iPhones (5S/5C) are not Spark capable. Throws a wrench into things.

Who the hell cares what the next stupid iPhone can or can't do. Apple is usually a few years behind the times anyway.
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Re: The coming soon network...

I think Sprint cares about having an entire block of phones on its network unable to take advantage of Spark.

»news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-576121 ··· d-voice/

Every Sprint smartphone released next year will be able to pick up the three different spectrum frequencies the carrier runs, allowing for a much speedier connection and high-definition voice.
Well, almost every phone.
That's according to Sprint Chief Financial Officer Joe Euteneuer, who was speaking at an investor conference on Wednesday. The exception, which Euteneuer was sure to point out, was Apple. He only noted that he doesn't know what Apple is doing with the next iPhone, or whether it will jam in compatibility with all three frequencies.

The triband capability is critical to improving the speeds on Sprint's network, which has been a knock on the carrier with the company slow to upgrade to 4G LTE. The triband capability is key to Sprint Spark, its brand for even faster LTE service. Even as smaller T-Mobile surpasses Sprint in markets and people covered and Verizon and AT&T press their LTE advantage, Sprint has been slow to respond and is losing customers.

»www.fiercewireless.com/story/spr ··· 13-09-11

Sprint (NYSE:S) CFO Joe Euteneuer confirmed that Apple's (NASDAQ:AAPL) newest iPhones, the iPhone 5s and 5c, do not support LTE on 2.5 GHz spectrum, which Sprint will use for a nationwide TD-LTE deployment.

"We don't control their product roadmap. I wish we did," he said Wednesday at the Bank of America Merrill Lynch Media, Communications & Entertainment Conference.
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Re: The coming soon network...

And if the assholes at crApple don't support the additional spectrum, how is that Sprint's fault? If people want triband, maybe they should get a real smartphone. My HTC One Max is triband, the Nexus 5 is triband, the LG G2 is as well, the GS4 is supposed to be re-released as triband, and others are on the way. If Apple wants to be the last to adapt like they usually are that's their problem not Sprints. If they iSheep can't take advantage of the 2.5 GHz spectrum, sucks to be them. That's what you get when you buy second rate hardware. The world doesn't revolve around whatever junk Apple is peddling.
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Softbank CEO Masayoshi Son told investors that it will take years (»www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/ ··· 20130930). This seems like the same re-tread stalling tactic. I'm not sure whether or not to believe it, even with the merger.

10 years ago Sprint was the first with tech and had ocassionally held the speed crown. But these days customers are getting unlimited EV-DO at 0.07 Mbps. If they are lucky, there is LTE about as fast as HSPA 3G. And if they are luckier yet, double digit speeds exist in a few unicorn habitats.
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Re: The coming soon network...

Years is for completion on all now planned. Basic NV I expect or bet mostly done this year. Most tower here are complete just waiting for backhaul and final testing tweaking.
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said by wizardry :

Softbank CEO Masayoshi Son told investors that it will take years (»www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/ ··· 20130930). This seems like the same re-tread stalling tactic. I'm not sure whether or not to believe it, even with the merger.

10 years ago Sprint was the first with tech and had ocassionally held the speed crown. But these days customers are getting unlimited EV-DO at 0.07 Mbps. If they are lucky, there is LTE about as fast as HSPA 3G. And if they are luckier yet, double digit speeds exist in a few unicorn habitats.

I have no idea what your talking about

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Re: The coming soon network...

download speed != latency.
high latency still slows your packets to a grind.

calitwin26

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I'm getting 46.10 down 10.15 up here in wiston salem nc
nonymous
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you do not need the speed for a cell.

Fixed wireless yes but a cell with even Verizon going for small data plans no. Other ideas maybe for the use.

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Why can't sprint and tmobile get their acts together?

I really wish there were actual alternatives to verizon and AT&T

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2.6Gbps..

Right in line with what I was expecting, and it's actually going to improve. I calculated that 8x8 120MHz LTE could do upto 4Gbps down 3Gbps up. .

I was actually dreaming of buying Sprint even before Softbank, just because I saw the crazy potential in their spectrum assets. If they pulled all the spectrum together, they could basically outdo even wireline networks like cable, who's networks sit at about 400Mbps for 8 channel DOCSIS 3 systems right now. . Possible uses for the new system include: hotspots built in to all cars and homes/outdoor areas, where local devices connect via lower-power WiFi. All content (Voice, video, data) rides over the IP network. Potential new services include Pandora w/ FLAC 24-bit 7.1 surround sound streaming radio, access to cloud storage, home storage, gaming, etc without bandwidth caps, everywhere you go. o.o

Also they said this was not "real-world" because they are not actually planning on configuring the network to allot the full 120MHz to LTE. Spark doesn't do that, so of course we're not going to see that with Spark. A future upgrade to switch the gear over to 120MHz would do it though, bringing those speeds to the real world.

On the latency issue, I think Sprint's network is very poorly laid out and I have no idea why. When I tested on my phone last year, latency was so high, like 150ms to 300ms. It also appears data is frequently routed to far away locations before it peers with the internet, typically Los Angeles or Kansas City for the Northwest (vs. T-Mobile which routes Northwest through the Northwest (Portland/Seattle)). I would just guess that Sprint's PCS data network is like that everywhere, just not designed for low latency ..
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Re: 2.6Gbps..

said by w0g:

Right in line with what I was expecting, and it's actually going to improve. I calculated that 8x8 120MHz LTE could do upto 4Gbps down 3Gbps up. .

I was actually dreaming of buying Sprint even before Softbank, just because I saw the crazy potential in their spectrum assets. If they pulled all the spectrum together, they could basically outdo even wireline networks like cable, who's networks sit at about 400Mbps for 8 channel DOCSIS 3 systems right now. .

In the several mile radius of the typical cell tower there are SEVERAL cable nodes, EACH providing those 8 channels of downstream bonding (Which is closer to 288mbps of real world throughput after overhead). Heck in the town next over, in the coverage of 1 sprint tower, there are at least 17 of those nodes, and they currently do have 8 channel bonding. While they may have shared upstream channels between them, they typically do not have shared downstreams. So that is 17 x 288 = 4896mbps, and that is the right now speed.

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next announcement

in 1-2 years we will announce the changes to come in 1-2 years
rradina

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Maybe T-Mobile Should By Sprint!

T-Mobile now advertises they operate the fastest LTE network. If true, perhaps they should get Sprint's spectrum and Softbank should lay an egg.

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They need to use it!

Sprint has in the neighborhood of 200 mhz in some markets including mine. What they need to do is alot 3/4 of it to fixed LTE. With 150 mhz of contiguous spectrum you can actually offer a viable alternative to cable and dsl. Sprint needs to get their ass in gear and get it done!

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Great speeds here

I actually pull between 20 and 30 regularly sitting in my office or in my home on sprint where I'm at.

For me it was worth switching to them from AT&T who had nothing but edge connectivity in my area. I got tired of paying at&t the same amount for data that was essentially worthless as people that were on hspda and lte.
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this is new Softbank

I wont say hi gear but they are in gear. Otherwise wouldnt be even hearing of test. Currently no way phones will have enough room for the electonics for all needed to use this spectrum. Fixed easily.
TBBroadband

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Re: this is new Softbank

Sprint always issued things in the lab before they even went live. Remember Xhom? That was in the lab for a while, a few cities went live, a couple died off and not even 6 months later, the Xhom was sold to Clear and Sprint became a MVNO. Sprint is better at operating a complete MVNOE network and let others do the real stuff- customer service.
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aggressiveness

T-Mobile has been pretty aggressive on LTE deployment, but how about Sprint?
You can't just promote whatever idea but you have to make it real.

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Re: aggressiveness

said by mingkee27:

T-Mobile has been pretty aggressive on LTE deployment, but how about Sprint?

T-Mobile also didnt do a complete network rebuild of a functioning cell network. What sprint has been doing has not been done before at least in the states.
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SHABAZZ

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Re: aggressiveness

That's not true Swintec. Verizon wireless had to do the same thing. The only difference is they did it smarter and didn't wait until their current network was completely obsolete.

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Re: aggressiveness

Verizon didnt do a complete rebuild like Sprint is doing. new base stations, new back haul, new radio units / antennas...essentially redoing the entire site....38,000+ times each with there own set of circumstances due to location. The other have done a fairly "simple" and straight forward overlay of the current network.

From what I have read Verizon will have to do a complete over haul like Sprint is doing in the coming years.
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SHABAZZ

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Re: aggressiveness

Yes Verizon did. I personally know and worked with 5 project managers that oversaw different portions of their network upgrade. Their radios on the towers had to be replaced, MIMO antennas added, new base-stations added, switches added and their backhaul upgraded from T1 to metro Ethernet. As I mentioned earlier they just didn't wait for their entire network to be obsolete before they started nor did they give their upgrade strategy a grand name like "Network Vision".

You have to understand CDMA/EVDO's upgrade path to LTE involves quite a bit of ripping and replacing.

calitwin26

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stop bitchin

I'm getting speeds of 46.10 down and 10.15 up in winston salem nc

Informed

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Sprint

Agreed. Softbank is attempting to gain a profit from Sprint, whom caters to the lower credit class individuals. All of the carriers want Churn, it creates profit. Each of them want you to cancel services, move to the other carrier. Sprint is going to have one hell of a network within two - three years, if they don't lose all of their customers before hand. - Sprint has to many sister companies to go broke, Boost, Virgin, Assurance, get it?

Sprint will end up being sold after, hopefully to an American company.

The true problem is not with the carriers, its with uneducated consumers whom purchase devices that are not made within the US.

We need more American made products, stop being socialist for a gain of profit margin.

Each carrier has terrible networks, all have the same problem. Truth be told, the winner in all of this is Ausrion whom is the only company that replaces "Broken" devices. (They're making all the money, each device is reprogrammed for each carrier, consumers are do not realize4 that the phones they purchase can easily be flashed and sold to other carriers. Odd's are that your insurance claim, which was with Verizon was an ATT device, before that it was Sprint, you get the point.

Churn is good, their all in bed with each other. They do share the same towers, even ATT is getting out of the game of owning towers. NO profit. It's cheaper to provide service and let the smaller companies maintain the towers. (Fact)