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Chicago, IL | Unleash the VZ and T fanboys... ...so they can chime in about how LTE is oh so superior even though an actual, live, installation is nowhere to be found while WiMax has millions of customers all over the world.
...or about how Sprint sucks because they couldn't keep their $30 SERO plan.
...or how Sprint sucks, just because.
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Chicago, IL | Re: Unleash the VZ and T fanboys... said by NeoandGeo:I bet you blasted HDTV before it became widely adopted too, yes? HDTV is not "widely adopted". 6+ billion people on the planet...how many have HDTV?
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I am speaking about the US, where it is now widely accepted.
And also calling to light your blatant ignorant fanboyism splooge you are needlessly spreading. | |
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| 66% of American TVs are HD. I'd consider that "widely adopted".
Oh, and Sweden also has an LTE network up and running.
Also, HSPA+ is providing the same speeds in Canada that WiMax is providing currently in the US (~12mbps).
Soo, really any of the technologies is going to be fine for the next year or so...
Good for Clear that wimax is rolling out though. If I can get it here and replace my dsl connection with wimax, i'll hop on that bandwagon asap.
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| | | |  The Dv8orJust call me Dong Suck Oh, M.D.Premium
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Denver, CO | Re: Unleash the VZ and T fanboys... said by tiger72:66% of American TVs are HD. I'd consider that "widely adopted". I dont believe that stat for a second. There's plenty of people who cant afford an HDTV and have the same CRT type that I do. I bet less than half are HD.
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kudos:3 | Re: Unleash the VZ and T fanboys... The SIZE of the tv has nothing to do with it being HD or not... seriously... the TV size is proportionate to the room itself.. so I assume the 32" HDTV I have in my 12x14 bedroom isn't HD? get over it..
And to be honest, 720p has a better resolution than 1080i..
but anyway, in the end, it doesn't matter what YOU consider to HD.. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Unleash the VZ and T fanboys... Tissue? hold that thought... just one second.
Care to talk about the 80" I have in my living room? The 32" TV is my smallest one. The rest are 55", 62", 48" and 37"... but eh.. who's keeping track. lol | |
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not worth the plastic it's made out of. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Unleash the VZ and T fanboys... hah.. nice try... but, um, no. | |
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| said by The Dv8or:said by tiger72:66% of American TVs are HD. I'd consider that "widely adopted". I dont believe that stat for a second. There's plenty of people who cant afford an HDTV and have the same CRT type that I do. I bet less than half are HD. You're right. It's 62%.
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new study from ORC, an Infogroup company, (NASDAQ: IUSA), examining US consumer awareness of and usage habits with technologies including high definition television (HDTV) and 3D TV revealed that nearly two-thirds (62%) now have an HDTV in their home, and another 12 percent are looking to purchase one within the next two years.
Don't think 720p is HD? Go tell that to ESPN and ABC.
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Valencia, CA | GSM/HSPA is 'not widely adopted' either at +4 billion subscribers | |
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| | | Yes Sprint has VZ and AT&T beat with 4G. But will this truly matter at the end of 2010? More likely not. VZ just said they are still on track for 30 markets in the US. Yes they have both Seattle and somewhere out east testing. Sprint did the same thing. Keep in mind Wimax is not the choice of 4G here in the US. When you look at everything VZ and AT&T will pass them with LTE. Who cares if it is the first handset. LTE will do the same in 2011 I am sure. LTE will have more handsets I am sure when you figure in Europe providers T-Mo and Vodafone there is more support for LTE.
WiMax can have there day now but it will end soon enough. As for the phone I like my Droid just fine. Runs faster than most phones out there and has an excellent screen. They are combing the HD2 and Nexus to make this phone. | |
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kudos:3 | way to start off a thread... negativity.. and nothing really about the topic at hand... isn't this flame bating?
They all have their plans.. just becuase sprint is first with what THEY are calling "4G" doesn't make them any better simply because the others are lagging behind.. they all roll out their stuff at different times, yet near together in industry speak.
I am a sprint customer and am happy with the service.. but really, as you're the first to post "bring on the bashers"... others can post that "you were the first to bash the so-called bashers"... seriously.. was this necessary? | |
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kudos:4 | Re: I don't care ... said by mAlfunkti0n: Oh and good handsets .. loving the slew of Android phones that are out. Here is some specs and pics of the HTC Supersonic running Android that I found:
»www.i4u.com/article30336.html
While the Supersonic will have the HD2's 1 GHz processor, 1 GB of internal space and 5 MP camera, the screen will be quite different.
The HD2 packs a 4.3" LCD screen. The Supersonic takes that up one level with a 4.3" OLED screen. »www.androidguys.com/wp-content/u···onic.jpg | |
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kudos:4 | Re: I don't care ... Looks kind of like the Storm. | |
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kudos:1 | voice So what does this phone use for voice? Does it keep its CDMA and WiMAX radios on at all times? Does it do UMA-ish stuff with WiMAX to CDMA handoffs? | |
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| tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: voice There's no voice over WiMAX - all just CDMA voice for the time being.
That's what VZW will be doing with their LTE rollout too... | |
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| | | Re: mega markets of New York and San Francisco Not if the biggest and 12th biggest are Sprints problem children (ie worst reception) | |
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kudos:4 | said by Dagda1175:The biggest city and the.....twelfth biggest? Maybe there is ten bigger cities than San Francisco they should think about first. I am sure they mean the San Fran metro area. And it is big because of the high density of high tech users in the Silicon Valley area. It isn't just population but the huge number of smartphone users those 2 areas represent. | |
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Bel Air, MD | What about the prices? I like the fact that Sprint is taking the lead into 4G, but I have some reservations, especially on price. If I get a WiMAX phone, does my data plan continue? Do I get a price increase?
I am happy that we'll not only see the SuperSonic, but many other phones on 4G before the end of the year. Maybe even the infamous Palm C40. | |
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kudos:4 | said by bnceo:I like the fact that Sprint is taking the lead into 4G, but I have some reservations, especially on price. If I get a WiMAX phone, does my data plan continue? Do I get a price increase? I am happy that we'll not only see the SuperSonic, but many other phones on 4G before the end of the year. Maybe even the infamous Palm C40. Good points. I have a Sprint Palm Pre Data Everything 450 plan that costs $70/mo. If I switch to an HTC Supersonic 3G/4G capable phone, will I still be able to get unlimited data for $70/mo and if not, how much of a premium would they charge to get Wimax speeds as well as 3G fallback?
Since I mostly use WiFi for internet access from Palm Pre anyway, I am not sure I would pay extra just to get faster access for the few times I currently use 3G for data now. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: What about the prices? Zero for the WiMAX premium. Your plan will remain the same. It's in Sprint's interest to move data users onto WiMAX when available anyway. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: What about the prices? said by iansltx:Zero for the WiMAX premium. Your plan will remain the same. It's in Sprint's interest to move data users onto WiMAX when available anyway. If that turns out to be the case, then I would seriously consider upgrading my phone(I get a $150 Premier user discount on a new phone in June) to the Android based HTC Supersonic with Wimax capability. I'll have to keep my eye out for any Sprint emails making special offers for upgrades. | |
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| | Woo hoo!!! I've been drooling in anticipation of the Supersonic ever since it was first leaked. An Android version of the HD2 with better specs? Hell yeah. I love my Hero but this will be my next phone. I just want the hardware - the fact that it's going to be WiMax compatible is just icing on the cake.
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kudos:2 | Re: Woo hoo!!! +1. When the SUpersonic comes out I am finally switching off of my SERO plan and upgrading from my Touch Pro. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Woo hoo!!! killing a SERO plan? wow, thats a drastic move 
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VoIP over WiMAX would be neato but I can't use up my voice minutes as it is even it I try with Sprint anymobile anytime deal.
Capacity is the real benefit for Sprint but the benefit to mobile phones isn't as great as for data cards on laptops and streaming HD devices.
I'd guess the only time I'd benefit with WiMAX on phone is when doing MiFi tethering to the phone. And since Wimax is a separate radio, doing data/voice at same time will be nice, but that's not directly due to 4G. | |
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| Re: 4G on phones I don't know about you but I can tell the difference between 1-1.5 Mbps (average Sprint speeds on my phone) and much higher speeds over WiFi. I'll especially be able to tell with full web browsing afforded by a ginormous 4.3 inch screen | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Personally, I'd like to see good quality VoIP over 3g/4g.
Sprint supposedly has a LOT of spectrum in the 2.5GHz range to use for WiMAX, so capacity, shouldn't be much of an issue. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: the phone is worthless said by vlad1000:the whole point of getting mobile internet phone is being able to go through voice over wimax... Are you suggesting the "whole point" of a smartphone is for VoIP? If so, I disagree. I'm contemplating finally upgrading to a smartphone this summer after my contract ends and the next round of devices hit the market. I can't care less about VoIP on my mobile phone but access to the Internet from everywhere is my real motivation. | |
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Naperville, IL | Come on, Sprint. Still waiting on your EVDO femtocell... | |
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The problem with Sprint is that they leap without looking. Big Red and the others will catch up and by the time they do, Sprint will be converting from WiMax to LTE. Luckily for them it's a relatively easy transition | |
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Decatur, GA | Re: Sprint had a lot of firsts... Sprint is first most of the time but all the carriers have bad service. The difference is marketing. Big red and big blue market better than big gold. Sprints customer service is greatly improved also. My 3G Pre is fast, can't imagine how much faster the 4G will be.
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Newark, NJ | said by NJBoricua75:But you know what? In the end it never really mattered now did it? They were first with 1x which they called "Vision". It didn't matter cause they still had the worst customer service and the highest churn in the industry. The problem with Sprint is that they leap without looking. Big Red and the others will catch up and by the time they do, Sprint will be converting from WiMax to LTE. Luckily for them it's a relatively easy transition You're partially correct NJB75, however, the new Sprint bears no resemblance to the Sprint you've mentioned, much has been improved including the CS that went down the tubes -- especially after the Nextel acquisition fiasco -- and is now as good if not better than it was pre-Nextel, I used to have Sprint for ~ 7 years and loved it, left for VZW in 2005 but cannot wait to return to the Big Golden S, a few more months and it will be 'buh-bye' Verizon for me.
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Michigan City, IN |  Sprint=bad voice coverage
But Sprint here just sucks..my parents actually dropped them today after 6 years being with them, their voice coverage at home was just terrible.
After they saw my full bars with me using T Mobile they went and got them with the 2x family plan.
Sprints problem here is that they only cover in town areas. And I wouldn't even really call where they live "rural". | |
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| | | Re: Sprint=bad voice coverage said by ztmike:that whole WiMax Walmart tower probably fell apart at the seams..which is kinda sad for Sprint, that would of put WiMax on the map for sure. That whole Wal-Mart thing was just a rumor in the first place. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that it wasn't a rumor. At this point, what makes you think that this hypothetical Wal-Mart agreement has fallen apart? | |
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Michigan City, IN | Re: Sprint=bad voice coverage said by DarnellP:said by ztmike:that whole WiMax Walmart tower probably fell apart at the seams..which is kinda sad for Sprint, that would of put WiMax on the map for sure. what makes you think that this hypothetical Wal-Mart agreement has fallen apart? Because I believe we would of heard more about this from somewhere, I mean that would of been a huge step up for Sprint, if that were to take off.
I guess its still early in the game..maybe they are still working out a deal with Wal Mart..but I highly doubt it. | |
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| all carriers have their dead spot in coverage.... for example my friends with Tmobile and AT&T get lousy service in Chicago's chinatown, but Verizon and Sprint work pretty well. Metro chicago is about as "un-rural" as you can get.
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