  gigahurtzPremium
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Palm Coast, FL | Why are people blaming a phone for Sprint's network issues? It has been made very clear that a lot of these issues were going on before the iPhone was released. Sprint's network has been teetering on the edge for quite some time. The added user base of iPhone users (some switching from dumb phones and some switching from other networks) pushed it over the edge.
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| Re: Why are people blaming a phone for Sprint's network issues? #1 There is an issue with the iPhone 4s where you could run a speed test next to a htc evo and the evo would get 700 down, 300 up, and the iPhone 4s would get 100/100.
#2 Network vision, now if they can do it by the end of 2013 as they said, that would be awesome, but i'm not holding my breath. | |
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| | | | Re: Why are people blaming a phone for Sprint's network issues? What doesn't make sense is...
Why the iPhone 4S has/had issues on Sprint like this, but not on Verizon.
Its the same phone, same technology, just different provider. | |
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| | | | | Re: Why are people blaming a phone for Sprint's network issues? The reason is simple: Verizon's network consists of OC-3 and OC-6 fiber optic lines feeding each tower (average of around 200 mbps backhaul per tower). Sprint's network consists of 2 - 6 1970s-era T1 lines (1.5 mbps each) per tower (average of around 6 mbps backhaul per tower). A tower has 3 sectors, so if all 3 sectors of EVDO rev. A were running only a single channel / carrier (usually towers run 2-4 channels each), you'd need 9.3 mbps to carry that load. Sprint doesn't have even 2/3 the minimum backhaul needed to carry the load of a single carrier channel on their towers. | |
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Utica, MI | Re: Why are people blaming a phone for Sprint's network issues? Never heard of OC-6 before. Is it real? | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Why are people blaming a phone for Sprint's network issues? No. Sprint has a newer network built in the 90s. Verizon's network was built in the 80s, so if towers will be on pure copper, its going to be Verizon instead of Sprint. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Why are people blaming a phone for Sprint's network issues? Actually, a friend of mine is an engineer for Verizon and says they're using SONET fiber optics on all their towers now-- almost all have been upgraded in the past couple of years so that they can run LTE and EVDO (4G and 3G) from the same tower. Sprint is just now deciding to upgrade their backhaul nationwide to prepare for Network Vision. | |
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But moving to Ethernet and VoIP off the BTS. | |
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Smyrna, GA | umm I hope you are being sarcastic.
I worked for sprint (the business customer part) at the end of the 90's. Even then the national fiber optic backbone was Oc-48 (using the oh so versatile Vector switch from Adtran). I would imagine now that the national backbone would be all 192's. As always, the problem is not the big pipes but the local (in this case, individual tower backhaul capacity) access.
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Ashburn, VA | Re: Why are people blaming a phone for Sprint's network issues? I got my EVO at the same time. It seems that the 4G service in my area is getting better. Weird, I know. This week I am getting consistent speeds around 10 Mb/s where I would get speeds around 3-6 Mb/s with occasional results above 8 Mb/s.
They must have done something recently in the area around the Dulles airport.
Here is another test from just a few minutes ago.
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| | | | | Re: Why are people blaming a phone for Sprint's network issues? If I got 1.072/.123 the majority of the time, I wouldn't be complaining, but for you to be getting that is excellent. On a good day on 3g, I barely break 400k, but the norm is 100-200k/75k & when its bad, 35k/6k. We have 5 androids, so I can verify its not my phone, as they all have the same speed issues.
I wonder if your decent speeds have to do with being close to DC and Sprint making sure the politicians have great service.... | |
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Ashburn, VA | Re: Why are people blaming a phone for Sprint's network issues? 3G download speeds are terrible, 100kbps or lower, while the 3G uploads are between 500-800 kbps.
I don't know if my navigation app would work with this type of performance, because 4G does not work for me when I am on the move. Typically I get some place, and if I need to use data I enable 4G, do what I need to do, and then turn it off.
I think as soon as the right phone for me comes out on Verizon, I'm going to change over to them. I get a 25% discount through my company, but I will hit 15-20GB of data some months, which brings my bill around $200.
I'd like to have a big, extended battery for my phone. Currently I use an extended battery that is 3x the normal size as the one that came in my EVO. I would also like to make sure the phone I get uses Android Gingerbread or newer, without having to resort to rooting.
Perhaps the Bionic would work? Still doing some research. | |
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|  MikePremium,Mod
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Pittsburgh, PA | Yes but if everyone's network blows, you can all half ass it. Decent speeds aren't an issue because the carriers don't make it an issue. | |
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 King PDon't blame me. I voted for Ron PaulPremium
join:2004-11-17
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2 edits | "Cut off their nose to spider face" - Michael Scott Sprint is so shortsighted. They would have the necessary bandwidth if they would have upgraded to EVDO RevB.
Also, the only bug in the software is that Sprint throttled the iPhoners to prevent their network from completely collapsing, just like it did for Verizon when they got the iPhone 4 earlier this year. Well, Verizon's network didn't collapse but it did slow down significantly for everyone, once the iPhoners got on it.
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Ashburn, VA | Re: "Cut off their nose to spider face" - Michael Scot Speaking of bugs; "spider face"?  | |
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| | King PDon't blame me. I voted for Ron PaulPremium
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Franklin, TN | Re: "Cut off their nose to spider face" - Michael Scot it was a reference from the TV show The Office.
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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN | Sprint sucks Having unlimited data on Sprint is useless with their speeds and coverage, unless you are in a WiMax area, but then you are stuck with their Android phones and I'm a Apple guy.
Best speeds you'll get on the iPhone 4S is with AT&T, Verizon and Sprint just suck, Verizon being the most expensive Sprint being the crappiest for coverage and slow data speeds and AT&T for coming out on top middlely priced good data speeds and good coverage.
I actually get better coverage at my home than my buddy does on his Verizon iPhone 4 which gets 1 bar of service while I get anywhere between 3-5 bars on my iPhone 4S with AT&T.
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| Re: Sprint sucks I'd have to agree that their 3G is pathetic as far as speeds go, and it's been getting slower. I jump on 4G when I'm completely frustrated with it or need to do something bandwidth intensive like streaming video (which the 4G handles beautifully). I can't even imagine being stuck with Sprint's 3G as my only option. | |
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| | | said by ztmike:Having unlimited data on Sprint is useless with their speeds and coverage, unless you are in a WiMax area, but then you are stuck with their Android phones and I'm a Apple guy.
Best speeds you'll get on the iPhone 4S is with AT&T, Verizon and Sprint just suck, Verizon being the most expensive Sprint being the crappiest for coverage and slow data speeds and AT&T for coming out on top middlely priced good data speeds and good coverage.
I actually get better coverage at my home than my buddy does on his Verizon iPhone 4 which gets 1 bar of service while I get anywhere between 3-5 bars on my iPhone 4S with AT&T.
This is my experience and thought on it anyway.
Or you can get the 4S on AT&T and have speed's all over the place.
Or I get this on an Android 
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Michigan City, IN | Re: Sprint sucks said by iFail 5G:said by ztmike:Having unlimited data on Sprint is useless with their speeds and coverage, unless you are in a WiMax area, but then you are stuck with their Android phones and I'm a Apple guy.
Best speeds you'll get on the iPhone 4S is with AT&T, Verizon and Sprint just suck, Verizon being the most expensive Sprint being the crappiest for coverage and slow data speeds and AT&T for coming out on top middlely priced good data speeds and good coverage.
I actually get better coverage at my home than my buddy does on his Verizon iPhone 4 which gets 1 bar of service while I get anywhere between 3-5 bars on my iPhone 4S with AT&T.
This is my experience and thought on it anyway.
Or you can get the 4S on AT&T and have speed's all over the place. Or I get this on an Android Or you can pay more than I do since you have Verizon and crappier coverage in my area, OR the fact that no carrier here offers 4G service yet. | |
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| | | | | Re: Sprint sucks said by ztmike:said by iFail 5G:said by ztmike:Having unlimited data on Sprint is useless with their speeds and coverage, unless you are in a WiMax area, but then you are stuck with their Android phones and I'm a Apple guy.
Best speeds you'll get on the iPhone 4S is with AT&T, Verizon and Sprint just suck, Verizon being the most expensive Sprint being the crappiest for coverage and slow data speeds and AT&T for coming out on top middlely priced good data speeds and good coverage.
I actually get better coverage at my home than my buddy does on his Verizon iPhone 4 which gets 1 bar of service while I get anywhere between 3-5 bars on my iPhone 4S with AT&T.
This is my experience and thought on it anyway.
Or you can get the 4S on AT&T and have speed's all over the place. Or I get this on an Android Or you can pay more than I do since you have Verizon and crappier coverage in my area, OR the fact that no carrier here offers 4G service yet. Umm ok? Sorry Verizon sucks there, its the opposite here down in Atlanta, T-Mobile's actually the best. AT&T coverage is terrible outside the city, but since we are a large metro we have 4G from everyone.
Btw. I hardly doubt I pay any more than you do to AT&T. My VZW bill is LOWER because of my 25% work discount. Plus I have unlimited 4G + Unlimited 4G hotspot. I have 3 carriers ATM and don't hate any OS. Both offer different user experiences and have their pluses and minuses, I enjoy Android for various reasons and like tinkering with custom roms.
I enjoy the fluid interface of iOS and ease of use, and its more organized.
I am in an unfortunate area when its congestion time because these are my speeds. HSPA+ 21 phone's get better speeds, but not significantly.
Btw. I get ALL my usage out of VZW, at 28GB I have gotten my moneys worth.
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I'm a Apple guy.
Sorry to hear that. Maybe one day you'll see the light.
Samsung Epic Touch > iPhone
Motorola Photon > iPhone
HTC Evo 3D > iPhone
Android > iOS
Being ‘stuck’ with a 4G Android phone like being ‘stuck’ driving a Bentley.
But why would an iPhone need 4G? Isn’t the typical thought ‘if Apple doesn’t have it, that means I don’t need it’. They command you obey. The iPhone doesn’t have LTE or Wimax radios, that means people don’t need it that means you shouldn’t want it.
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Michigan City, IN | Re: Sprint sucks said by Steve Mehs: quote:
I'm a Apple guy.
Sorry to hear that. Maybe one day you'll see the light. Samsung Epic Touch > iPhone Motorola Photon > iPhone HTC Evo 3D > iPhone Android > iOS Being ‘stuck’ with a 4G Android phone like being ‘stuck’ driving a Bentley. But why would an iPhone need 4G? Isn’t the typical thought ‘if Apple doesn’t have it, that means I don’t need it’. They command you obey. The iPhone doesn’t have LTE or Wimax radios, that means people don’t need it that means you shouldn’t want it. Its funny reading your comments because every single topic about phones you talk shit, hell you even talked shit when Steve Jobs died at least show some respect.
As far as going Android over iPhone..yea if you want shit battery life and a crappier experience then by all means stay with Android or how about the fragmentation Android users experience with every single Android OS update?
But whatever there really is no point in arguing with a troll or a person who has a Android pissing on an Apple logo and has "Jobs is dead" as his tagline | |
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| | Hello - please read this post. I don't understand WHY YOU PEOPLE don't realize this is NOT the first time this has happened on SPRINT!!
The Epic 4g had capped speeds when it first came out too!
3g and 4g were both horrible compared to the evo 4g.
Sprint updated the software and bam it removed the cap.
I'm thinking this was a very deliberate move on both phones. | |
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| | | Re: Hello - please read this post. said by CTMustang:I don't understand WHY YOU PEOPLE don't realize this is NOT the first time this has happened on SPRINT!!
The Epic 4g had capped speeds when it first came out too!
3g and 4g were both horrible compared to the evo 4g.
Sprint updated the software and bam it removed the cap.
I'm thinking this was a very deliberate move on both phones.
All Sprint devices are having poor speed issues now though. Its not something that can be fixed by software, it can though be fixed by Sprint actually investing in their network. But they can't because of the stupid iPhone. They are about 4 billion in the negative more than they already were.
I have a Galaxy S II And these are the speeds I enjoy
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Apple has proven themselves incapable of making good products with antennagate. If it happened once, it can happen again. I say it is a hardware issue since Apple has a history of antenna problems.
Here’s a speedtest result from the other day from my Evo 3D. The ping is a little higher than normal, usually around 135ms, the download speed is slightly slower than what I have experienced, usually I’m at 2Mb+ but the upstream is better than what I normally get. So while overall it’s not best I’ve gotten it’s still pretty damn good for 3G and better than those with iPhones. If I can achieve these speeds on an HTC phone on Sprint, but one cannot on an Apple phone on Sprint, I say it must be an Apple problem.
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| Oh Karl... "Sprint's unlimited data plans (which may not be long for this world)."
Did some motivational coach in your past tell you that all you need to do to make something true is repeat it over and over?
Yes, you believe Sprint's unlimited data plan is going away. We get it. You mention it every chance you get. In fact, it won't be a matter of time before we see something like this from you:
"Another development in the ATT/T-Mobile merger, Sprint (who's unlimited data plans may not be long for the world) filed another objection..."
Or even:
"The man used his cellphone (we don't know if it was AT&T, Verizon, or Sprint - who's unlimited data plans may not be long for the world) to call police..."
Seriously, you think they're going to kill it. We know. Move on already.
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Utica, MI | Re: Oh Karl... LOL. | |
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|  hello123454Delaware FIOSPremium
join:2002-02-02
Wilmington, DE
kudos:1 | said by GeekJedi:"Sprint's unlimited data plans (which may not be long for this world)."
Did some motivational coach in your past tell you that all you need to do to make something true is repeat it over and over?
Yes, you believe Sprint's unlimited data plan is going away. We get it. You mention it every chance you get. In fact, it won't be a matter of time before we see something like this from you:
"Another development in the ATT/T-Mobile merger, Sprint (who's unlimited data plans may not be long for the world) filed another objection..."
Or even:
"The man used his cellphone (we don't know if it was AT&T, Verizon, or Sprint - who's unlimited data plans may not be long for the world) to call police..."
Seriously, you think they're going to kill it. We know. Move on already.
But obviously it's not that big of a deal because you continue to read his articles...
What about you moving on to a different news site if that's your #1 concern in life. Phew...
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| | GeekJediRF is Good For YouPremium
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Mukwonago, WI | Re: Oh Karl... Sorry to hear about your humor impairment... | |
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