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Sprint to Shut Down WiMax Network by End of 2015
by Karl Bode 03:44PM Tuesday Apr 08 2014
In a new SEC filing, Sprint has stated that the company will be shuttering its existing WiMax network by the end of 2015. Most of Sprint's operations currently ride on the back of their new (and under-performing) LTE network, with the exception of former Clearwire customers (who Sprint has tried to push elsewhere via rate hikes) and Sprint's pre-paid subsidiaries, who'll be migrating their services to LTE. The shutdown will involve the elimination of roughly 6,000 cell sites, with Sprint working to upgrade the remainder of acquired Clearwire sites to TD-LTE.

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IPPlanMan
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Finally...

About time... Hopefully this shutdown doesn't take away from resources used to expand its LTE network.... which definitely needs expanding. (Yes, in DC especially)

fg8578

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Salem, OR

Re: Finally...

I'm no wireless expert, but Wimax was not considered "true" 4G, right? So how did it stack up, in terms of technical capability, against "true" 4G networks like AT&T and VZ's LTE?

IPPlanMan
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Re: Finally...

It was definitely an improvement over 3G, but Wimax deployment was so haphazard and filled with gaps it's hard to tell.

More here: »s4gru.com/index.php?/forum/14-wimax/

If you've got a company merely deploying a tower as a "protection site", [»s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/6-wha···-sites/] that should tell you something.
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raytaylor

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Re: Finally...

It was pretty much 4g - was theoratically possible to get up to a gigabit for fixed stations. Typically though you would expect around 100mbits max between the tower and station, but then the backhauls and mismanagment (clearwire=slow speed) was what caused problems.

Wimax was also ahead of its time. LTE has since come along and caught up to wimax. With most wimax operators now cell companies, it makes sense for them to unify equipment and cell sites and just move everyone over to LTE which is the natural progression path for a GSM network. They save on running duplicate networks, and they save on needing multiple cell sites.

Mr Guy

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said by fg8578:

I'm no wireless expert, but Wimax was not considered "true" 4G, right? So how did it stack up, in terms of technical capability, against "true" 4G networks like AT&T and VZ's LTE?

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX

CaptainRR
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said by fg8578:

So how did it stack up, in terms of technical capability, against "true" 4G networks like AT&T and VZ's LTE?

True 4G? True 4G was supposed to be 100 Mbs at one time. Basically anything over 1 Mbs is fair game to be called 4G in wireless terms.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
Yes WiMax was 4g. It is was the first 4G network in the world.

fg8578

join:2009-04-26
Salem, OR

Re: Finally...

So why give up on it and switch to LTE?
stridr69

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Re: Finally...

Same reason everyone else is, LTE is a world-wide standard. Hopefully in the future you can buy one handset and then choose your carrier.
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I had lower latency and more consistently average faster downstream speeds with Sprint Wimax then I did with Verizon LTE. Sprint however initially capped the upstream at 1Mb and later increased it slightly to 1.5 Mb.




I got the original Evo a few days after it came on in June 2010, and a few weeks later wimax was launched in Rochester, NY. Initially speeds were 6-8Mb down, then 8-10Mb and on my phone I was able to max out around 15-16 down. The above test is from my laptop with a USB modem, which always had faster speeds and lower latency then the phone.

Wimax was decent, coverage and speeds in Rochester were never an issue. There was an oddity when I was in a WalMart in one of the suburbs and I had full bar roaming for voice, but full bar wimax for data. Also one nice thing about wimax is Sprint and Clear had to 'unofficially' upgrade a certain number of markets to wimax in order to keep the spectrum. There are A LOT of little pockets of wimax all around. A few years ago I took a trip all around the state of Ohio, and I was in some dumpy hotel, not even sure where I was, but we just needed a place to crash and I was pulling in like 10-12Mb on wimax and I was not near any major city.
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JimThePCGuy
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How about AT&T Fake 4G HSPA+ ?
openbox9
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Re: Finally...

And T-mobile

JimThePCGuy
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Re: Finally...

Absolutely
BiggA

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Huh? That has nothing to do with WiMAX.

JimThePCGuy
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Re: Finally...

It was regarding carriers touting 4G and not really being 4G.
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BiggA

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Re: Finally...

But those are current technologies in active use, and have nothing to do with WiMAX, which is an abandoned wasteland.

dib22

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Re: Finally...

said by BiggA:

which is an abandoned wasteland.

... in the USA anyway.
BiggA

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Re: Finally...

Correct. Which is what we're talking about here. Also, where are they still using WiMAX? LTE is the global standard...

dib22

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said by fg8578:

I'm no wireless expert, but Wimax was not considered "true" 4G, right? So how did it stack up, in terms of technical capability, against "true" 4G networks like AT&T and VZ's LTE?

LTE is not considered true 4G by anyone but marketing departments
BiggA

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It will cut costs and free up spectrum. Both money and spectrum are needed for more LTE...
tmc8080

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with the way things are going

Sprint won't be around in 10 years.. going from one bad deal to the next and at similar (HIGH) prices to AT&T and VERIZON?!? Good luck with that business plan!

The Japanese might as well have flushed their money down the toilet. At least Tmobile did some good flushing millions to get customers away from AT&T and Verizon post-paid accounts. Perhaps customers will force the industry to abandon contracts altogether one day if the money keeps flowing.

Meanwhile, AT&T and VERIZON are turning the SCREWs to MVNO prepaid plans with no roaming and throttling data to a crawl making about as useful as Cable companies' wifi networks.

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Re: with the way things are going

said by tmc8080:

making about as useful as Cable companies' wifi networks.

This made me laugh. Well said.

lineofsight

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East Saint Louis, IL

End of the road for FreedomPop?

The free access is on the wimax system, as I recall, they charge for access to the sprint 3g signal.
mikemacman

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Saint Paul, MN

Re: End of the road for FreedomPop?

said by lineofsight:

The free access is on the wimax system, as I recall, they charge for access to the sprint 3g signal.

They have been selling access points that use Sprint's LTE.

lineofsight

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Re: End of the road for FreedomPop?

It's not free access like it is for the wimax 4g

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Migration Plans for Clearwire Users

Haven't heard a peep out of Clearwire/Sprint with what their plans are for migrating users. Right now Sprint's data is less competitive than T-Mobile's so I'll likely be going to T-Mobile.

If I go over with T-Mobile at least I'll get throttled as opposed to getting hit with overages.

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Re: Migration Plans for Clearwire Users

I switched from sprint after 11 years to T-Mobile, and I couldn't be happier! Throttled tmobile is sprint standard 3g speeds in most cases by me. I have the unlimited plan with tmobile so it isn't an issue anymore for me.
AricBrown

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Heck its better than LTE here...

My son has my old EVO and her regularly gets over 2meg down and up. My Galaxy is lucky to get 150kb on LTE.
NiteSn0w

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Re: Heck its better than LTE here...

You probably have low LTE signal. Here's what I'm getting sitting in my apartment.


ocjosh

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What's the plan for existing customers?

Will they move the clear customers to TD-LTE network with unlimited grand fathered plans? Or they have to leave?

Shaft

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Re: What's the plan for existing customers?

Who knows but typically the customer gets shafted during these types of transitions so I'm guessing we'll get screwed.

cableties
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Blast from the past

»www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/10···l_wimax/

So, 7 years... sounds like an asset write-off...
I recall all the email "spams" of WiMax this and that... the stock peddlers sending junkmail to get you to invest...
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will miss the cheap internet

here there never were enough sales to worry about tower congestion, so if you were one of the lucky ones who snatched up an iSpot and hacked it to work with all devices then you too could have had 6MBps down, uncapped, for $25/month.