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Via cellphone (and possibly broadband) taxation
(old news - 12:30PM Wednesday Jan 18 2006)
tags: prices · business · wireless · Politics
A three percent phone-line tax, originally intended to pay for the Spanish American War back in 1898, is still being collected by most wireless providers as the "federal excise tax". A telco funded astroturf group dubbed "MyWireless.org" is directing users to try and get this money back from the government (how about shelving those bogus wireless regulatory recovery fees while we're playing concerned activist?).

"We're required to continue collecting that tax from our customers until the IRS tells us to stop doing that," a spokesman for Verizon Wireless tells a local Ohio news station. At one point the the IRS and Treasury Department were considering expanding the law so it also covered broadband and VoIP connections.

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JeedaiKnight
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Once a tax...

always a tax. Give the mouse a cookie...and he'll want a glass of milk. :p
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Re: Once a tax...

You're absolutely right. In the country I grew up in they announced a 25 cent (in dutch guilders, about $0.12) increase on the fuel prices over a period of 10 years after which it would be taken away. The deal was that in those 10 years, drastic improvements for the freeway system would be paid for. That happenend, new freeways were opened up, existing ones were widened, tunnels and bridges were built, etc, etc.

But the 10 years were over in 2002 or so, and did they give back the 25 cents? Of course not! Now they had gotten so used to the extra income in the books - whether they had more freeway expansion plans or not - and the fuel prices never dropped the extra 25 cents.

And with fuel prices averaging between $5 and $6 per gallon (yeah, you Americans have no idea how CHEAP fuel is here), the extra 25 cents (now about 0.10 Eurocents) would have been a very welcome relief for drivers..... BUT they just had to keep that money in their pockets.

Its the same in every country. Once they instate a tax, its gonna take a lot of effort to cancel the tax, if ever cancelled at all.....
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Re: Once a tax...

Your gas prices are a result of Taxes not market conditions. Take away the taxes and we pay more.
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said by maartena See Profile :

(yeah, you Americans have no idea how CHEAP fuel is here)
You seem to be saying this as if its a bad thing. Is it wrong to want a cheap, stable, non-terrorist supporting source of fuel?
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Re: Once a tax...

said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by maartena See Profile :

(yeah, you Americans have no idea how CHEAP fuel is here)
You seem to be saying this as if its a bad thing. Is it wrong to want a cheap, stable, non-terrorist supporting source of fuel?
Umm, yes, it is wrong to want a not-so-cheap oil, supporting not only the crazy rich oil industry but totalitarian, supressive, medieval-age styled emirates and half-retarded princesses' dictatorships, especially licking their Arab @sses by our lunatic and/or corrupt Presidents and calling them friends of us.

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Write your congresscritter

Don't want to be taxed for everything, then write your congressperson and complain about all the nickel and dime taxes the government passed and never revoked. That effort is called tax simplification. And here is a web site that can help you complain to Congress about tax reform:
»www.business.com/directory/accou···_reform/
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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

Don't want to be taxed for everything, then write your congressperson and complain about all the nickel and dime taxes the government passed and never revoked.
Yeah, I'm sure they'll get right on that, just as soon as they get a break from all the hard work they put in raising taxes and their own pay.

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Re: Write your congresscritter

Yeah, right after the repeal the income tax... which was supposed to be a temporary measure, too, remember.

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"Write your congresscritter"

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I did write my Senators. I'll include their responses here because it shows their stances...

said by IL Senator Durbin :

Thank you for contacting me about repealing the federal telephone excise
tax. I appreciate hearing from you.

The telephone tax, which was originally imposed to cover short-term
revenue needs, first appeared as a temporary tax to finance the
Spanish-American war. Telephone taxes have been continuously collected
since the Great Depression. The tax is assessed at a rate of three
percent on local and long-distance telephone services.

I have voted to repeal the telephone tax. However, such legislation has
not been passed by the full Senate. A repeal of this tax will ultimately
reduce the telephone bills of Illinoisans and reduce the cost of access to
the Internet. I will be sure to keep your views on this matter in mind in
case Congress debates changes to the tax code this year.

Thank you once again for contacting me. Please feel free to stay in
touch.

Sincerely,

Richard J. Durbin
United States Senator




said by IL Senator Obama :

Thank you for contacting me regarding the excise tax on long-distance
telephone service. You raise some important concerns, and I am glad you
wrote.

This tax, first imposed in 1898 because of the revenue needs of a military
conflict, is levied at a 3 percent rate and is a permanent part of our
revenue structure. For years the tax was set at 10 percent, but the Excise
Tax Reduction Act of 1965 reduce the tax to 3 percent, and provided for its
eventual elimination. However, the revenue requirements of the Vietnam War
prompted Congress to extend the tax. It has remained between 2 percent and
10 percent since that time.

There has been renewed interest in the telephone excise tax during the
current 109th Congress. New marketing practices and technologies have
blurred the line between which telecommunications activities are taxable
and which are not. For instance, in the case of VOIP (voice over internet
protocol) voice transmissions are sent in the form of packets of
information and are indistinguishable from text messages or e-mails which
are tax-exempt. Further, companies now offer "bundles" of service which
can include communication services which are subject to the excise tax and
other services (such as cable television, high speed internet access, and
text messaging) not subject to tax. These factors have caused consumers
and businesses to scrutinize the telephone service excise tax, and have led
to calls to repeal the tax.

Revenue from this excise tax goes directly into our government???s General
Revenues, which is used to fund an expansive range of federal services.
The case that continued imposition of the excise tax on long-distance
telephone service can no longer be justified is strong. However, with the
cost of the ongoing conflict in Iraq and predictions that the Federal price
tag of Hurricane Katrina could be as much as $200 billion, it may, as a
practical matter, be difficult to eliminate current sources of revenue at
this time.

I am not on the Senate Finance Committee which is considering this issue.
However, your views deserve a place in this debate, and I will keep them in
mind as the discussions on this matter continue. If strategies arise that
allow the government to reduce or eliminate the telephone service excise
tax without sacrificing services to those who need them most, I will
certainly keep your letter in mind.

Again, thank you for contacting me. I appreciate your comments, and I hope
you will share your views with me again in the future.

Sincerely,

Barack Obama
United States Senator
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Re: Write your congresscritter

Good job!

Any others?

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Re: Once a tax...

Frankly I do not see the cellphone companies giving this up. If the IRS tells them to stop collecting the tax I am sure we will see the "cost recovery fees" or "other charges" go up by the exact same amount. Get used to paying it one way or another.
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Re: Once a tax...

Then why would the cellphone companies not give up collecting it if the IRS says to stop?

The cellphone companies aren't keeping the tax they collect.

Did you think they were profiting from it?

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Re: Once a tax...

said by smcallah See Profile :

Then why would the cellphone companies not give up collecting it if the IRS says to stop?

The cellphone companies aren't keeping the tax they collect.

Did you think they were profiting from it?
No I do not think they are keeping it or profiting from it. However, since customers are used to paying it already, it would not be a stretch for the cell phone companies to simply keep collecting an amount of money equivalent to the tax but pocket it instead.

Several years ago, the state of Connecticut cut its gas tax. For some strange reason (hah) in the days after the tax was lowered, the gas prices did not drop by the same amount per gallon. Turns out the gas stations kept the money as extra profit. How many people would really know that the price was supposed to drop?
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Re: Once a tax...

With gas, the tax is not listed as a separate line item in the price. So no one notices the tax is there.

On a cell phone bill, the taxes are all separate line items.

So in order for a cell phone company to keep collecting a tax that has been repealed, they would have to raise their rates, and not have a separate line item that said it was a tax, since it is not a tax.

So instead of a cell phone company saying you can buy their 1000 minute night and weekend plan for $39.99, they'd say it is now $42.73 on their ads? I don't think so.

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Re: Once a tax...

said by smcallah See Profile :

So instead of a cell phone company saying you can buy their 1000 minute night and weekend plan for $39.99, they'd say it is now $42.73 on their ads? I don't think so.
Of course not. It will still be $39.99* as it advertised now with the "*" covering all the additional charges as it does now.

If I were the cell company, I would simply add the new increase to "regulatory compliance fee" line item.
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Spanish American War
$5 Billion

Iraq war to cost US $2 Trillion.

American Civil War
$62 Billion
Spanish American War
$5 Billion
World War One
$290 Billion
World War Two
$2,300 Billion
Korean Conflict
$111 Billion
Vietnam
$165 Billion
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Re: Once a tax...

Are those figures adjusted for inflation?

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Re: Once a tax...

said by Cyron See Profile :

Are those figures adjusted for inflation?
Are those figures accurate? $2 Trillion is a lot of money... close to how much the Federal government spends on everything it does in a single year. To say that the Iraq war is going to cost that much is a bit premature.
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It's not lies:

»www.csmonitor.com/2006/0110/dailyUpdate.html

quote:
A new study by Columbia University economist Joseph E. Stiglitz, who won the Nobel Prize in economics in 2001, and Harvard lecturer Linda Bilmes concludes that the total costs of the Iraq war could top the $2 trillion mark. Reuters reports this total, which is far above the US administration's prewar projections, takes into account the long term healthcare costs for the 16,000 US soldiers injured in Iraq so far.
The numbers are correct, but it isn't fair to compare it to other war totals, since those other totals don't take into account healthcare...if they did, I can only imagine how much WW2 would have cost.

That said, two trillion is still a lot of potatoes.

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Re: Once a tax...

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

It's not lies:

»www.csmonitor.com/2006/0110/dailyUpdate.html
The report is still based on a few key assumptions (e.g. that our troops would remain till 2010 and such). These assumptions are not guaranteed to be true. Furthermore, the article points out that Dr. Stiglitz is a vocal critic of the war in Iraq, so we cannot be sure that his analysis is completely unbiased. I'm not rejecting what the fellow writes simply because of this, but just as it would be hard for many opposed to the President to believe the President when he says we are making progress, its hard for most people to believe those who vocally oppose the President to believe research that magically appears to advance their own agendas.

I'd like to see if Dr. Stiglitz did any research into the costs of the Kosovo, Bosnia or Somalia conflicts. Heck, as we're still in Kosovo and Bosnia with no end in sight, it would probably stand to say that these conflicts will eventually cost us more than a "temporary" stay in Iraq.
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Re: Once a tax...

I'm not planning on deconstructing the work of nobel prize winning economists with my liberal arts degree, I was just providing the source. One can deconstruct the very best work of the very best minds if motivated...

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said by Karl Bode See Profile :

I'm not planning on deconstructing the work of nobel prize winning economists with my liberal arts degree
LOL if I could do successfully pop that nobel prize-winning analysis, I am sure you can as well.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

It's not lies:

»www.csmonitor.com/2006/0110/dailyUpdate.html
The report is still based on a few key assumptions (e.g. that our troops would remain till 2010 and such). These ssumptions are not guaranteed to be true.
Very correct, it is extremely hard to know what will be going on anywhere 4 years from now.
And for the guy quoting the costs of all the previous wars you are forgetting a few things.
We are STILL in Germany and I think still in Japan, that might have changed recently. The cost associated with keeping a presents there needs to be add to the WW2 cost.
Same goes for the Korea, a war that has NOT ended. How much more added to that $111 Billion does it cost the US to have kept the troops there for the past 53 years?
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said by mikef1 See Profile :

We are STILL in Germany and I think still in Japan, that might have changed recently.
We still have a base in Okinawa.

As for Germany, that reminded me of a monologue Jimmy Kimmel delivered to our troops at the Wiesbaden AFB: Why are we still here? Didn't we beat these guys?
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

It's not lies:

»www.csmonitor.com/2006/0110/dailyUpdate.html
The report is still based on a few key assumptions (e.g. that our troops would remain till 2010 and such). These assumptions are not guaranteed to be true. Furthermore, the article points out that Dr. Stiglitz is a vocal critic of the war in Iraq, so we cannot be sure that his analysis is completely unbiased. I'm not rejecting what the fellow writes simply because of this, but just as it would be hard for many opposed to the President to believe the President when he says we are making progress, its hard for most people to believe those who vocally oppose the President to believe research that magically appears to advance their own agendas.

I'd like to see if Dr. Stiglitz did any research into the costs of the Kosovo, Bosnia or Somalia conflicts. Heck, as we're still in Kosovo and Bosnia with no end in sight, it would probably stand to say that these conflicts will eventually cost us more than a "temporary" stay in Iraq.
Are you really this clueless? US never had any kind of large-scale operation neither in Kosovo nor Bosnia.

Stop this pathetic wishy-washy talk to downplay the Iraqi War, based on lies and its tragic outcome and astronomical costs.

FYI: exactly Rumsfeld is one of the war criminals. I know it'll take some time but he won't escape - he will be tried and sentenced, mark my word.

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Re: Once a tax...

said by kamm See Profile :

Are you really this clueless? US never had any kind of large-scale operation neither in Kosovo nor Bosnia.
Um... what planet are you on? Were you really born yesterday? Because that would be the only explanation of why you could make such a stupid statement. The US has been involved in large scale operations in the Former Yugoslavia since at least 1995. It is our continued troop deployment in this region which helps to keep the peace.

There's this website, its called Google, and unless you're using Bell South as an ISP, I suggest you go and search for this conflict, and learn a little more about it.

Are we still at war with Eurasia too?
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Though the estimates have went up - the overall cost is still small by comparison to total GDP.

»news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4201812.stm

"the relative cost of operations in Iraq, at 2% of America's annual GDP, was less than either the Vietnam conflict at 12% or World War II at 40%.

"Although the costs of war have grown... the American economy is exponentially larger than it was in the Vietnam War years," Mr Donnelly said.

"When it [the Iraq war] is compared to the overall size of the American economy, it's really a drop in the bucket, certainly by historical standards."
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Nope not adjusted.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

"It is estimated to have cost about 1 trillion US dollars in 1945 (adjusted for inflation; roughly 10.5 trillion in 2005, not including subsequent reconstruction."

Considering current costs include reconstruction it becomes very hard to compare.

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said by rgillis70 See Profile :

Considering current costs include reconstruction it becomes very hard to compare.
It would only be fair then to add the inflation-adjusted costs of post WW2 programs like the Marshall Plan and other significant defense spending needed to keep the Soviets in check till the end of the Cold War as well.
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Re: Once a tax...

Absolutely.

As I showed in the comparison quote - I think a better view is the percentage of GDP - which shows how cheap (comparatively) that the Iraq war has been.

I am not saying anything good or bad about the war itself, just that the 2% of GDP for Iraq is not very big compared to 12% for Vietnam or 40% for WW2.

People really need to look at the overall cost involved here, remember this article from Newsweek a couple years back:

"Washington announced that it would increase its defense budget by almost $50 billion, a sum greater than the total annual defense budget of Britain or Germany. ...the United States will spend as much next year on defense as the rest of the world put together (yes, all 191 countries). And it will do so devoting 4 percent of its GDP, a low level by postwar standards."

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I typed that in and the Michael Moore website came up and filled past the edges of my screen with his loser achievement and twinkie eating face.

Then my PC melted.
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Re: Once a tax...

Something must be wrong with your PC since the GWB Bio should have popped up if you had used the "I'm feeling lucky" function. MM is ranked second for that search after GWB.

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Re: Once a tax...

said by bmn See Profile :

Something must be wrong with your PC since the GWB Bio should have popped up if you had used the "I'm feeling lucky" function. MM is ranked second for that search after GWB.
There is an ongoing effort between political groups to recruit websites that will use that 'miserable failure' phrase in such a way as to affect google's rankings. It wouldn't surprise me to see the leader changing once in awhile.

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said by BIGMIKE See Profile :

Spanish American War
$5 Billion

Iraq war to cost US $2 Trillion.

American Civil War
$62 Billion
Spanish American War
$5 Billion
World War One
$290 Billion
World War Two
$2,300 Billion
Korean Conflict
$111 Billion
Vietnam
$165 Billion
Show a source. Those are complete lies and NOBODY should accept it as fact unless there is proof which I seriously doubt. Two trillion dollars is around what the ENTIRE budget is. The Iraq war is only a TINY fraction of the national budget. Yes, it's a lot of wasted money (IMHO), but it is NO WHERE near two trillion dollars. And the cost of maintaining our military should not be included (even though it is no where near two trillion) since a military is required and it will ALWAYS be required, even if there was an extreme liberal in office. Being the most successful nation in the world is not easy. It takes defense.

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Your taxes and extra surcharges?

I seem to pay about 35 - 40% of the monthly net charges in taxes and tacked on surcharges. What about you?

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rileyjam514
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So tell me again..

Where is all this money going? And why did it take until now to bring this to light?
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Re: So tell me again..

said by rileyjam514 See Profile :

Where is all this money going?
The Spanish-American War was very expensive.....
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Re: So tell me again..

Si.

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said by rileyjam514 See Profile :

Where is all this money going?
It pays for new wars.
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said by rileyjam514 See Profile :

Where is all this money going? And why did it take until now to bring this to light?
Every couple of years or so this same subject comes up and the *insert favorite party/president to bash* rolls it under the table and keeps on going.
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It is like most taxes

The tax they collect does not go to an account marked from paying off the Spanish American war, it goes into a general fund which can then go to any thing the government needs or has to provide.

As far as you can consider it might as well be a tax on the "War on Terror" or War on Drugs, or even into Bush's paycheck.

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Oh, please.

Come on, people, this was over a century ago and we're still paying for this. Stupid, no? Instead of collecting for something that is long dead and over, how about collecting for improvement of service?

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Tax us

All of you don't want to be taxed but your the first ones to demand services. Don't like being taxed write your local taxes off on your 1099 since you are allowed too.
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Re: Tax us

Have you tried doing an Itemized deduction? It takes alot of outlay to get better than the standard deduction given. You can't write off your state/local taxes AND take the standard ded. Either/Or.
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Re: Tax us

Finally, purchace my first house. Everyone says you'll get all that money back in the form of tax write off's and interest - you'll be rich. Yea right! 2 years in and still filing standard deductions because my income is same before house. Sucks big time.
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said by HardwareGeek See Profile :

Don't like being taxed write your local taxes off on your 1099 since you are allowed too.
Uh, that would be the 1040A and would only be applicable if you were able to meet the standard deduction. A 1099 is for money paid to you that is generally non-employee compensation, retirement, Social Security, Railroad, and other such monies that have been paid.

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Very Slashdot-esque topic duping

»Spanish American War...

I take it we'll here about this tax next year also?
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said by DrewCapu See Profile :

»Spanish American War...

I take it we'll here about this tax next year also?
Or in another couple of years, if history holds true.
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said by DrewCapu See Profile :

»Spanish American War...

I take it we'll here about this tax next year also?
Nah, if this was Slashdot, we'd be seeing 4-5 articles about this in a single day and most of those discussions would be full of posts complaining about the dups. At least the people running this site know better than that.
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Whats the Rub

You think this is bad wait for the bill for universal, muni wifi, broadband to rural ares becomes due. Taxes upon taxes upon taxes.

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Taxation without representation, Part deux.

Communications should not be taxed.
Internet sales should be taxed. (creditcard companies can do it)
Vices should be taxed.
There should be a politician tax (Lie Tax of 2008).
Hillary Clinton should be taxed.
Lottery is a stupid people tax.
We need to tax the weather. How dare it rain on my parade!



Ok Ok. But I find it amusing how the Utility companies will collect the tax (oh boy, extra revenue!) and likely make interest off it for 12 months. Then through the magical "MaBell Subsidy Calculator" deduct what it festers on and sends the rest to the IRS. Meanwhile the duped public (aka sheeple) consumer forks over 15-20% duty to have freedom to communicate. (Just what exactly is that woman, driving a minivan, flailing both arms, at speed over 60mph, in the left, yacking about that is so important).
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Re: Taxation without representation, Part deux.

said by cableties See Profile :

There should be a politician tax (Lie Tax of 2008).
Years ago, Johnny Carson said something similar to that in one of his monologues. The piece was called, "If there was any justice." One of his examples was, "...instead of a tax on income, there would be a tax on lying. That way, our politicians could pay off the national debt themselves."

There were also a couple other good ones like, "Elvis would be alive, and all the impersonators would be dead", and "Parking would be free, but not using your turn signal would cost $300." But now I'm going off topic...

boogi man

join:2001-11-13
Apo, AE
clubs:
said by cableties See Profile :

...(aka sheeple)
lmao he said 'sheeple'
neftv

join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA

thats what we get when...

we have blind leading the blind.

Dominokat
"Hi"
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join:2002-08-06
Boothbay, ME
clubs:

Why not rename this?

Why don't we change this from "Spanish American War" tax to a newer and modern "Iraq War" tax?
thrakkerzog

join:2004-09-29
Allentown, PA

Re: Why not rename this?

Yeah! Both are wars based on bad information.

FiL
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join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD

lol^

TU-CHE!!
travelguy

join:1999-09-03
Santa Fe, NM

Huge Revenue Source

Some time ago, I came across the breakdown of sources for revenue to the Federal government. Can't find it right now, but I'm sure its on the treasury.gov web site somewhere.

The Communications Tax was huge. It was supposed to have been phased out several times, but each time Congress extended it. The last time, they made it permanent. There is no way Congress will give up that revenue - they are too used to spending it.

BrianDamage
We Are The Hounds From Hell
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join:2001-08-14
Rowlett, TX
clubs:

This is not "new " news at all

The Bells and other LECs have been collected that tax since that war.
This was just one of many sticking points in a long-winded argument taken up against many Bell shills over the years, like Boogie74 (if he's still around, but I bet he is).
It just proves the "government subsidy" argument that has been pointed out for years...even though those same shills would try to argue that Ma Bell NEVER received subsidies from the government, when in fact, it was government subsidy that made the implementation of the National Telephonic Infrastructure possible.
Oh, and by the way, A. Graham Bell didn't invent the first telephone (OH MY GOD, did he just say that??!!)
It just so happened that his made it to a patent first.
The rest is history.
Brian Damage is back from an extended hiatus!

JoshNJ
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join:2001-12-25
Freehold, NJ

The tax is important

If they get rid of the tax, next time we go to war with Spain we won't have any money for weapons.
--
You do not understand the glory of Wawa.

alanhdsl
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join:1999-10-09
Phoenix, AZ
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Tax here or there

As someone else mentioned, although the Spanish-American War is paid for, there are always new wars to fund.

If you get rid of it, it means either other taxes will go up or (as the current administration wants) we'll borrow it and let the grandkids figure out how to pay it.

Cut spending? 2/3rds is military, Social Security, and Medicare. So what have the fiscal conservatives done to cut spending in those areas?

Military: Iraq, nuff said.
Medicare: Drug plan, the biggest expansion in Medicare spending in its history.
Social Security: Change plan crashed and burned. Even if enacted as planned, it would have cost more in the short term.
travelguy

join:1999-09-03
Santa Fe, NM

Re: Tax here or there

said by alanhdsl See Profile :

Cut spending? 2/3rds is military, Social Security, and Medicare. So what have the fiscal conservatives done to cut spending in those areas?
Lumping military expenditures in with social transfer payments is an interesting twist. And since there are very few Democrats with a fiscal conservative tag, one can only assume you were refering to Republicans.

According to the latest BLS statistics »www.bls.gov/emp/empmacro08.pdf it would appear that military expenditures are 20% and dropping, and transfer payments are 45% and climbing. Which would you have those evil Republicans cut? And how much villification should they take for proposing said cuts?
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