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Nice try RIMThe concept was good but the final result = FAIL.
Think of it as an iPhone that tried to hard and fell short in almost every detail as a result. No, an iPhone killer this is not and i have a hard time ever seeing it become one in the future.
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Re: Nice try RIMsaid by adisor19:i have a hard time ever seeing it become one in the future. Well it will still be the same phone in the future as it is now so.... | |
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said by adisor19:The concept was good but the final result = FAIL. Think of it as an iPhone that tried to hard and fell short in almost every detail as a result. No, an iPhone killer this is not and i have a hard time ever seeing it become one in the future. Adi I'm assuming you have had first hand experience with the Storm? | |
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2008-Nov-21 9:56 am
Re: Nice try RIMprobably not, more likely just basing his thoughts on other peoples opinions as they have tunnel vision to the iphone... | |
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DeeC
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2008-Nov-21 9:59 am
Re: Nice try RIMsaid by schmol:probably not, more likely just basing his thoughts on other peoples opinions as they have tunnel vision to the iphone... Yup....the majority of people have not tried/tested it, or even considered the features it has that the iPhone does not (user replaceable battery and microSD slot). These are "must haves" for some of us. I sure as hell do not want to buy a new phone each time I need more memory, lol I like it, and that is speaking from experience (testing the Storm) as VZW came to my company with it yesterday to test out and try......... | |
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Clearly Verizon is following GM's playbook. Consistently stay behind the curve in phones, take a good phone and rip out features it makes good in order to make a buck, etc etc etc.
Taking out wifi is so stupid. They just forced unnecessary traffic onto their network. These phones come with data plans as part of the package. I guess they're praying they go over that 5g limit so they can charge a dollar a kilobyte overage. | |
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DeeC
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2008-Nov-21 8:38 am
Re: Nice try RIMsaid by NOCMan:Clearly Verizon is following GM's playbook. Consistently stay behind the curve in phones, take a good phone and rip out features it makes good in order to make a buck, etc etc etc. Taking out wifi is so stupid. They just forced unnecessary traffic onto their network. These phones come with data plans as part of the package. I guess they're praying they go over that 5g limit so they can charge a dollar a kilobyte overage. Again, that 5G limit is for tethered modem use, not the normal 3G data plan.... | |
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2008-Nov-20 10:56 am
I guess wait for the next one...Just because your attempted home run ended up a foul ball this time doesn't mean your next swing won't be a success. | |
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QuakeFrag
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2008-Nov-20 11:05 am
too much hypeThis phone has been hyped up so much, that now when it comes out it doesn't meet expectations of the hype. Overall I am sure it is an excellent device, but people can never be satisfied with something top of the line unless it flat out beats competition. Personally, I'd consider getting this or the curve over and iphone. I have little use for a smart phone, so my regular call making device will be okay for the next couple years. | |
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| PhoenixDownFIOS is Awesome Premium Member join:2003-06-08 Fresh Meadows, NY |
Re: too much hypeYour right about their being too much hype. The other factor is that the iPhone redefined the market and that automatically makes them the standard which others will be compared against. | |
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Disagree. The iphone surpassed most expectations. | |
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jmn1207
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2008-Nov-20 12:33 pm
Re: too much hypesaid by baineschile:Disagree. The iphone surpassed most expectations. I'm not sure how that's possible. You mean all those people waiting hours in line to be the first to get one, and countless articles and blogs about the device were just due to middling curiosity? I think there was an enormous amount of hype and expectations for the iPhone. In fact, it was probably unprecedented. It mostly lived up to the hype, but even that was a daunting challenge. | |
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Well, since you used that weasel word "most", what can I say?
Remember, the iphone took an immediate price cut upon release. To me this says, it failed to meet at least some expectations. | |
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2008-Nov-20 11:06 am
Bold better?From some of the reviewers and someone I talked to. They actually like the Bold better. | |
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en102
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2008-Nov-20 11:13 am
Re: Bold better?Wow. I tried out the Bold at the store - nice screen, decent keypad. The only thing that I found annoying was the 'mouse' thumb wheel. I would have a very tired/sore thumb very quickly (I'm sure they must have an accelerator somewhere).
Similarly, I found the Tilt/Fuze nice, but screen too small for my use. | |
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gdm
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2008-Nov-20 11:19 am
Re: Bold better?Tilt is completely different than the Fuze. Fuze uses Touchflo 3D which is very nice. You can actually use the on screen keyboard with your finger compared to the Tilt.
I was debating on a Fuze or iPhone and right now I like the Fuze much better after having it for a week. | |
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en102
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2008-Nov-20 12:50 pm
Re: Bold better?I didn't mind the Fuze - however, I did find the screen a little small for my use (sort of like the Tilt) for my use (SSH client, RDP client). The screen is very sharp in comparison, and much more useable (640x480 vs 320x240), but same dimensions - 2.8". I wish the screen was a bit larger - say like the G1 (3.2") or even 3.5" like the iPhone. | |
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gdm
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2008-Nov-20 12:53 pm
Re: Bold better?To me the Fuze is a nice fit to your hand compared to the iphone or G1. I would like a bigger screen as well but means larger phone.
The case I use for my fuze is actually a generic one for the bb pearl. | |
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en102
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2008-Nov-20 3:06 pm
Re: Bold better?Issues with G1: Google - don't want GMail, lack of current apps (connectbot looks good) Issues with iPhone: It could be so much more.... but its not. No cut/paste, no video recording, no multithreading. Issues with Fuze: Screen's a little small for my taste, pricey.
Need a Windows Mobile iPhone. Windows Mobile on the iPhone itself ... not a Tilt imitating iPhone. I like the iPhone for its screen and size. | |
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Re: Bold better?you forgot about the lag on the fuze. its lag tastic. went to the store to see it for myself. man it lagged out big time. other than that it looks solid. maybe an upgrade in firmware will fix this. The storm, i'm going to go to verizion tomorrow cause my plan is up in 3 months w/ ATT. so i figured i'd give them a shot maybe. i'm just not sure how there plans/coverage compare to ATT. And ATT i have been with for 6+yrs. been with alltell which was great to but ATT was better in my area. | |
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2008-Nov-20 4:47 pm
Re: Bold better?I have no lag on my Fuze at all. ATT tends to bloat the phones OS as well so. You can use a custom ROM or do a hard reset and then a soft reset. That way the ATT bloatware doesn't get installed. | |
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No lag on my Fuze. I've got it the day they came out and have only had to reset it once and that was after installing a few apps. | |
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2008-Nov-20 8:25 pm
Re: Bold better?i have the touch pro (sprint branded) and its awesome.
between the customization and added features ( cut and paste).
The few people i work with who have iPhones are always wanting to play with my pro.
the slide out keyboard sealed the deal for me. | |
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said by gdm:Tilt is completely different than the Fuze. Fuze uses Touchflo 3D which is very nice. You can actually use the on screen keyboard with your finger compared to the Tilt. I was debating on a Fuze or iPhone and right now I like the Fuze much better after having it for a week. I've got a Tilt myself right now. You can get the Touchflo 3d app for the tilt. Check out the XDA developers forum for details. Your right about the keyboard that comes with it. I use SBP's keypad which takes up about 75% of the screen. Its very easy to type with it. I was actually thinking about the new blackberry but I don't think I'll bother. I may pick up a used Iphone though since after using my tilt I wish I had a larger screen. | |
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2008-Nov-20 8:49 pm
Re: Bold better?I would like the larger screen as well. To many things the iphone lacks compared to the Fuze/Tilt that I use everyday.
I like the feel of the Fuze better then the Tilt. | |
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One of the best things about the BlackBerries that I enjoy is their trackballs. They do break-in after some use and they can also get dirty and perform poorly. I did not initially like it, but now I am hooked. | |
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2008-Nov-20 3:45 pm
Re: Bold better?I honestly miss the 8830. I got this job a few months ago and they use Treos . | |
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Re: Bold better?I had to return mine due to crappy coverage in our building, but the 8830 is indeed one fine phone. | |
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VideoGuy
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2008-Nov-20 11:08 am
Gee......maybe BB ought to come up with something original like they did the first time. Even if it becomes *as* good as an iPhone, it will still be a copy of something original and by then Apple will have moved forward again. The only thing keeping even more folks from making the switch is corporate IT policy. Many large firms won't authorize units other than BBerry and many are set up with company-wide national accounts with a single provider other than AT&T. I know this because every time I use my iPhone on the train or at the airport I get accosted by traveling business folks who wish they could switch and lament the reasons they can't. | |
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Matt3All noise, no signal. Premium Member join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC |
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2008-Nov-20 11:14 am
Click screen not good = Failed ProductThe hype surrounding this product was all about the new "Suretype" click screen. If it was anything but flawless the product was destined to fail.
I was a bit suspicious of how good it was going to be when Verizon priced the phone at $199. If it didn't have issues it would have been priced much higher I think, at least $249 or $299. | |
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2008-Nov-20 12:28 pm
Re: Click screen not good = Failed ProductYeah. I used one last weekend since I know people that work at RIM. I didn't like the clicking screen. The LCD screen also gets the warping effect sometimes when pressing down on it like a regular LCD screen. Like when pressing a "button", part of the liquid will become compressed and warp the display a bit.
Also, the interface is not anywhere as intuitive as the iPhone. You still have to go through menus to find things.
I don't think it's complete crap but comparing it to the iPhone, it still is far behind. | |
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2008-Nov-21 8:51 am
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Played with one yesterday as VZW brought them to my company --- like it very much, and definitely rather have the click feature than not........ | |
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Where is this supposed Firmware update, Is it the latest Desktop software, I did used the blackberry storm when it was released it it sucked. You say there is a fix, and I say WHERE IS IT. | |
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DeeC
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2008-Nov-25 5:39 am
Re: Click screen not good = Failed Productsaid by Bigzizzzle:Where is this supposed Firmware update, Is it the latest Desktop software, I did used the blackberry storm when it was released it it sucked. You say there is a fix, and I say WHERE IS IT. All the ones up to the 20th and some on the 21st were using an older firmware. I know because VZW told me and even their demo was using the older firmware, but they upgraded late on the 20th. I believe phones shipped after the 20th or 21st would have the latest firmware. | |
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2008-Nov-20 11:17 am
HehI already got bluesnarfing tools running on my Android. Plus OperaMini is a much better mobile browser for it also. VNC as well...
I just hate the battery life on it though, only one day worth of use per 1 hour charge | |
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2008-Nov-20 11:41 am
active syncDoes it support active sync yet or is that taboo still? | |
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2008-Nov-20 11:41 am
heyYou can add the programs you want without battling apple or jailbreaking, it has a removable battery, it has COPY and PASTE. so there are some improvements over the iphone. people are worried about hitting the wrong key on the iphone and they blackberry has worked on overcoming those fears for the execs and people buying the item. | |
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2008-Nov-20 12:03 pm
It all depends on the users..Over at phonedog.com they were typing on the Storm like there was no tomorrow. There were not confused as the people at PC World were. In the end it really is up to the user. I bet it takes a while to get use to typing on this device and these reviews looked at it for a few hours and just got fed up. The main concern with this device was the laggy OS, but this is suppose to be fixed with an update available tomorrow. I know I will be buying the Storm tomorrow | |
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2008-Nov-20 12:24 pm
Re: It all depends on the users..said by MuDvAyNe:Over at phonedog.com they were typing on the Storm like there was no tomorrow. There were not confused as the people at PC World were. In the end it really is up to the user. I bet it takes a while to get use to typing on this device and these reviews looked at it for a few hours and just got fed up. The main concern with this device was the laggy OS, but this is suppose to be fixed with an update available tomorrow. I know I will be buying the Storm tomorrow I agree. Every phone has a learning curve. | |
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Hey guys, it is "to each, his/her own". I played with one a good long while (almost an hour) as VZW came to my workplace yesterday to show the Storm (& other phones). I like the "click" (feedback) feature, and the highlighting of the icon and key before the depress. Like any new phone, it takes some getting used to, especially if you had hard keys to type with. I had no issues getting to where I needed to go, or getting info..... hopped out on Google.com and did some searches on the web quickly, with no problem, played parts of a movie, music, took a photo with it, etc. iPhone may have WiFi, but the Storm has a user replaceable battery and memory card slot | |
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2008-Nov-20 2:42 pm
No Wi-Fi = Bye-ByeAnother gadget to be tossed in the bone yard.
Wi-Fi is a must now in days to have in any kind of gadget since so many areas offer Hot Spots due to consumer demand. | |
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DeeC
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2008-Nov-21 8:47 am
Re: No Wi-Fi = Bye-Byesaid by Jwobot:Another gadget to be tossed in the bone yard. Wi-Fi is a must now in days to have in any kind of gadget since so many areas offer Hot Spots due to consumer demand. And others would say a "user replaceable battery" and "memory card slot" are also must haves, but the iPhone doesn't have them..... | |
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Verizon Pricing is DeceptiveJust spoke with two representatives, the last of whom hung up on me. Why? Because I pointed out that I should be able to purchase the Storm for $249.99 less rebate. The reps said no, I upgraded my phone in February 2008. I asked "Do I have a Nationwide E-mail Plan? (See the webpage: » www.verizonwireless.com/ ··· dex.html) "No, you don't, " they reply. "Then why is my purchase of a Storm coupled with a new 2yr Nationwide E-Mail activation on my present line not eligible?" Again, "Because you upgraded in February" "Where is the qualifier on the ad?" I ask. (Click the link above. Tell me if you can find it.) "Appears to me to be a deceptive trade practice under federal and Califonia law." Dial tone. The craziness of this is I was willing to buy TWO Storms, one for me and one for my son, who is eligible for an upgrade. No, I could use his upgrade for my phone but not the promotional price for my phone and the upgrade for his. | |
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punksexy
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2008-Nov-20 7:09 pm
We have to move past the iPhone killer phenomenomI use an iPhone, but honestly people buy more into the fad than anything else; myself included.
Sure the browser is nice and the device looks pretty, but other than that, there is not much more function than any other device in its caliber. How do you fail to include one of the most fundamental features namely MMS? Why can't we even replace our own batteries affordably?
One thing that the Storm does have going on for it is a network that works. First and foremost. Also, it encompasses almost every feature most users would ever need and more along with the best push email service in the industry and access to Rhapsody.
Sure, it'll piss off a few hardcore users who depend on WiFi because their 3G network sucks, but that's their problem. For the rest of us, this thing will work just fine.
Believe me, the thing the hardcore nerds fuss over really are a non issue to the majority of users. | |
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2008-Nov-20 8:02 pm
Re: We have to move past the iPhone killer phenomenomI agree with you about WiFi in a sense; ATTM's network sucks and it makes my N95 a lot more usable, esp. for streaming or d/ling u/ling large files, which usually FAIL on ATTM because I get a network disconnect before the file finishes moving.
OTOH, though, though the Sprint network is rock-solid here and I pretty consistently get good speeds (500-1000 kbps down) there are times I miss not having WiFi because it's just a lot faster.
I plan to stay with Sprint, but I will not buy another smartphone without WiFi. | |
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2008-Nov-20 7:50 pm
ClickThat would annoy the hell out of me. VZW isn't helping the device by crippling it either. | |
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DeeC
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2008-Nov-21 8:37 am
Tested it on the 20thVerizon came to my workplace yesterday, and I did get to test out a fully functional STORM, and I was impressed, and very much like the "click" feel (feedback).
Keep in mind, the advantages over the iPhone (besides the secure enterprise features, push email fr 10 accts, etc) are the user replaceable battery and microSD slot (keep adding memory without having to buy a new phone each time!)...... | |
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My own experienceI got to play with the Storm at a launch event last week, and I found it to be non-intuitive and awkward. I managed to crash it while viewing nytimes.com, to such a degree that the battery had to be removed to bring it back to life.
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Massive Failure = Blackberry StormMajor Failure... My God its terrible, and I feel bad cause when I went to the storm at 9:30 am they were all sold out... Boy o Boy some buddy got ripped off. Why GOD WHY did this happen. and believe me I dispise APPLe just as much.
Problems summed up.
Unusably slow User Interface. Battery Life horrible. No WIFI. | |
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DeeC
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2008-Nov-21 11:50 pm
Re: Massive Failure = Blackberry Stormsaid by Bigzizzzle:Major Failure... My God its terrible, and I feel bad cause when I went to the storm at 9:30 am they were all sold out... Boy o Boy some buddy got ripped off. Why GOD WHY did this happen. and believe me I dispise APPLe just as much. Problems summed up. Unusably slow User Interface. Battery Life horrible. No WIFI. Ok, you didn't get one, but you have complaints? Slow interface was fixed by latest firmware, the battery life is about the same as the iPhone, and as for the Wifi, I'll trade that for the user replaceable battery, microSD slot, and 3.2 camera........ Pros & Cons for both people. | |
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2008-Nov-22 11:04 am
Re: Massive Failure = Blackberry StormmicroSD that currently supports 16GB and possibly more with a firmware upgrade. Also, the Storm does MMS and the camera has a flash and a stabilization feature. Mine's coming in today. I feel bad that not everyone who stood in line got theirs but they are shipping again before 12/5. | |
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TerribleI was really looking forward to this phone.. but it's not so good. I played with one for about 30 minutes today and it's just not working for me. It lags quite a bit and the touch interface is nowhere near as nice as an iPhone. Next week the HTC Touch Pro hits for Verizon, that'll probably be my next buy. I've come to the conclusion that and actual keyboard is a must for me. | |
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2008-Nov-21 11:08 pm
Uh, BlackBerries Still Suck, Film At 11?Have I not mentioned enough times that Blackberries uniformly suck? They are the classic example of a mediocre first mover success story.
What a shock -- the new model sucks too.
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