  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
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Sterling Heights, MI | Rates Raised Does anyone here really think that netflix was only going to stay $9 forever? They will have to raise their rates; either from studios wasnting more money, or having to dole out some of their money from the "peer sharing" | |
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| Re: Rates Raised said by baineschile:Does anyone here really think that netflix was only going to stay $9 forever? They will have to raise their rates; either from studios wasnting more money, or having to dole out some of their money from the "peer sharing"
Red Box costs a dollar. And they have sprung up everywhere. Their delivery system costs more than Netflix streaming. I think Netflix could stay where they are for a while. | |
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| Re: Rates Raised said by amarryat:said by baineschile:Does anyone here really think that netflix was only going to stay $9 forever? They will have to raise their rates; either from studios wasnting more money, or having to dole out some of their money from the "peer sharing"
Red Box costs a dollar. And they have sprung up everywhere. Their delivery system costs more than Netflix streaming. I think Netflix could stay where they are for a while. Good answer. | |
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somewhere | said by amarryat:said by baineschile:Does anyone here really think that netflix was only going to stay $9 forever? They will have to raise their rates; either from studios wasnting more money, or having to dole out some of their money from the "peer sharing"
Red Box costs a dollar. And they have sprung up everywhere. Their delivery system costs more than Netflix streaming. I think Netflix could stay where they are for a while. not only does redbox cost a dollar but even blockbuster costs a dollar now. I dont rent there because I have netflix but I drive past one every day and there's a huge banner thing that says
"3 DAY RENTALS, 0.99 cents"
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| | | | | Re: Rates Raised RedBox charges $1 per DAY. Presumably, they operate on the assumption that the majority of users will keep the DVD for more than one day, and thus the actual revenue per user is more like $3-$5. That's probably not true of the type of people who are in BBR forums, but that's not exactly a representative sample. If you keep it too long, you get to buy the DVD for only $20. Lucky you. | |
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Billings, MT | said by Frank:not only does redbox cost a dollar but even blockbuster costs a dollar now. I dont rent there because I have netflix but I drive past one every day and there's a huge banner thing that says
"3 DAY RENTALS, 0.99 cents"
That'd be great..
..except they closed down most of their brick-and-mortar stores, including all in Montana. I don't see them surviving much longer.
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| | | | | | Re: Rates Raised LoL. People have been saying that for YEARS now. The stores that were under preforming where closed. They still have a good share of their stores open and they do have a Block Buster Kiosk now. And movies are $1.00 a night there. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Rates Raised A few years ago, Movie Gallery was huge here. One day, I went into my local one, and they were offering $1 rentals on all movies. Something told me that they were in trouble. A few months later, that store was gone, as were all the rest in fairly short order.
I think what you're seeing is Blockbuster, which has never been known for their low prices, being forced to compete against the likes of Netflix and Redbox. The kiosks are a good idea, but I don't think the brick and mortar stores can last. There's simply too much overhead. I'm just not fully convinced that Blockbuster can tear themselves away from that business model. They couldn't even market their streaming service properly. We have one Blockbuster left in a metro area of around 120,000, and, although it's in a central location, it's a long drive for many people except for those who just happen to be passing by on their way to or from work. Yet there are Redbox kiosks all over the place. Sooner or later, that big store is going to close. | |
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| Re: Rates Raised block buster still does online rentals the same as NF but they do games and movies and you can return them to the stores and get your next titles and other things. BB has a great game plan if they can keep going. But i don't see them closing down all their stores. They'll be able to compete once they get rid of some debt. | |
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| | | | | | | said by hottboiinnc:LoL. People have been saying that for YEARS now. The stores that were under preforming where closed. They still have a good share of their stores open and they do have a Block Buster Kiosk now. And movies are $1.00 a night there.
I have yet to see ONE Blockbuster Kiosk but RedBox is all over the place. As for Blockbuster locations, I know of only 1 in my area where there were 10. There are only 6 within 10 miles of my area. Blockbuster is still in bankruptcy and it is doubtful they will emerge from it.
The brick and mortar video rental sites are going out. The kiosks are coming for those who want a movie now but the popularity is killing the selection. Netflix changed the game and if you can plan out what you want to watch, then it can work for you but RedBox is there to take up the slack. BB can call it quits for not keeping up with the times even though it would have killed their store locations. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: Rates Raised Same here in Montana. We see RedBox locations everywhere, but not a single BlockBuster Kiosk.
If BB would be open to innovation, they wouldn't have copied RedBox and Netflix. Even then, they waited until it was too late.
Looks like BB stuck with the **AA's ways of innovation.. Don't do it until you absolutely *NEED* to.
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| | | | | | | Re: Rates Raised yep! and they're doing great! Speedway/Marathon gives away free movie coupons at times. I got about 3 of them now. But before they had BB they had RedBox. | |
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| | Studio heads are some of the dumbest people They can't see that Netflix is their savior.
While a few movies still make money at the box office, many end of losing money. Netflix actually gives them life past the VOD (Video On Demand) of cable companies and makes renting DVDs a LOT easier. Plus, their bear nearly none of the infrastructure costs that Netflix deals with.
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Camden, TN | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people said by moonpuppy:They can't see that Netflix is their savior. these ae the same morons that tired to kill TV back in the 50's and the VCR back in the early 80's. You'd think after 60 years they get it. | |
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| | | | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people They'd still screw it up. They'd end up offering a service where you get three DVD's a month for $19.99. Want Blu-ray? That'll be an additional $4.99 per month. Want to stream? That'll be an additional $4.99 a month for three streaming movies. HD video? Add another $4.99. But you can only get movies that aren't currently offered on PPV by your cable or satellite company. Don't have a cable or sat subscription? Too bad. If the movie you want is on PPV, you're SOL. | |
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| Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people Precisely! What this all comes down to is 2 things: money and control. Control, believe it or not, is more important than absolute $ to most of these old-school types. They just can't bear to see their complete control from top-to-bottom being wretched away by the likes of Netflix and (GASP!) consumers! | |
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| | | Is a portion of that $9 per month shared among all of the studios going to be enough to even cover production expenses? I doubt it. | |
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somewhere | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people said by fifty nine:Is a portion of that $9 per month shared among all of the studios going to be enough to even cover production expenses? I doubt it.
the production expenses were already covered by ticket sales while the movie was in theatres.
and if they werent then the movie was a flop anyway.
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Camden, TN | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people said by Frank:said by fifty nine:Is a portion of that $9 per month shared among all of the studios going to be enough to even cover production expenses? I doubt it.
the production expenses were already covered by ticket sales while the movie was in theatres. and if they werent then the movie was a flop anyway. Not to mention merchandising | |
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| | | | | said by Frank:said by fifty nine:Is a portion of that $9 per month shared among all of the studios going to be enough to even cover production expenses? I doubt it.
the production expenses were already covered by ticket sales while the movie was in theatres. and if they werent then the movie was a flop anyway. But when everyone can watch it in the comfort of their own homes, with the click of a button, for one flat low monthly rate, who wants to go to the movies anymore? | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people said by fifty nine:said by Frank:said by fifty nine:Is a portion of that $9 per month shared among all of the studios going to be enough to even cover production expenses? I doubt it.
the production expenses were already covered by ticket sales while the movie was in theatres. and if they werent then the movie was a flop anyway. But when everyone can watch it in the comfort of their own homes, with the click of a button, for one flat low monthly rate, who wants to go to the movies anymore? You do realize that there are some people that do enjoy the "movie theater" experience. But even if it is the case where people would rather watch movies from home then you'd think the studios would embrace it instead of fighting it. | |
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somewhere | said by fifty nine:said by Frank:said by fifty nine:Is a portion of that $9 per month shared among all of the studios going to be enough to even cover production expenses? I doubt it.
the production expenses were already covered by ticket sales while the movie was in theatres. and if they werent then the movie was a flop anyway. But when everyone can watch it in the comfort of their own homes, with the click of a button, for one flat low monthly rate, who wants to go to the movies anymore? people who want to see first run movies while they're in the theaters.
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| | | | | | | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people said by Frank:people who want to see first run movies while they're in the theaters.
Exactly my point. This is why rentals (and netflix) are delayed. | |
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| Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people I LOVE to go to the movies. I was there several times the last couple weeks. I went and seen MegaMan 3D great movie. and then again the same week and seen Morning Glory- and that movie was out for at least 2 weeks before i went and seen it. the movie was SOLD OUT that night. So we're talking about 200 people easily that night that bought tickets for $9 each on top of what ever else junk they wanted. Not to mention free pop-corn refills. | |
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| | | | | | | | said by fifty nine:Exactly my point. This is why rentals (and netflix) are delayed.
Netflix is delayed AFTER the DVD comes out.
As for the movie theater experience, it sucks. Theater managers are not kicking out people with crying babies or disruptive people anymore for fear that they will never come back. | |
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| Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people that must be there. You can't quote that experience for everyone else. and the Managers don't do that. The Host does. You also have to complain. and Crying babies? Com'on! Kick them out? what should be asked is they take the baby out of the theater or they have to leave. NOT just kick them out. Id hate to do business with you. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people said by hottboiinnc:that must be there. You can't quote that experience for everyone else. and the Managers don't do that. The Host does. You also have to complain. and Crying babies? Com'on! Kick them out? what should be asked is they take the baby out of the theater or they have to leave. NOT just kick them out. Id hate to do business with you.
Yeah, actually try telling someone to please take their screaming child out to the lobby. They curse and scream at you. What is worse is that they leave dirty diapers all over the floor instead of using the bathrooms. Cell phones are the latest thing where people will take calls and have full conversations but ask them to take it outside and the insults will fly.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people again; maybe in your area; but others are NOT that way- you can't speak for everyone's area and the people that have respect. I have NEVER seen or had that happen in any of the times i've been to a movie. So again- don't speak for everyone. | |
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1 edit | said by fifty nine:said by Frank:people who want to see first run movies while they're in the theaters.
Exactly my point. This is why rentals (and netflix) are delayed. Then explain to me why netflix dvd by mail rentals are delayed when blockbuster dvd by mail rentals arent.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people Their contract they have with the Studio dictates. All rental units will fall to the Netflix contract with No new movies in first 30 days. They want Want pay per view on cable or satellite along with purchasing. Look at Disney they put out $10 off coupons for new Blu Ray Movies. I have gotten many combo packs with DVD, Blu-Ray and Digital copy for less then $10 after sale and coupons on new releases. Heck look at The Christmas Carol that just came out it was a four pack DVD, Blu Ray, 3D Blu Ray and Digital Copy. It was on sale for $24.99 and I have a $5 and $10 off coupon. How can you not pass on that.
They need to make up for movies that don't cover expenses during their theater runs. That is all this comes down to. Check out this link »www.the-numbers.com/movies/recor···gets.php and look at movies like The 13th Warrior, Waterworld, and Town and Country. They don't come near their budget. | |
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I would rather have a nice drink while watching the movie with friends on our schedule. | |
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| said by fifty nine:said by Frank:said by fifty nine:Is a portion of that $9 per month shared among all of the studios going to be enough to even cover production expenses? I doubt it.
the production expenses were already covered by ticket sales while the movie was in theatres. and if they werent then the movie was a flop anyway. But when everyone can watch it in the comfort of their own homes, with the click of a button, for one flat low monthly rate, who wants to go to the movies anymore? According to this article, last year the movie industry took in $29.9 billion. They are poised to surpass that this year. Through August 1, there was an under 1% loss in ticket sales from last year.
»www.thewrap.com/movies/article/2···ld-19915
The movie industry is not hurting, no matter what they tell you.
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| | | | | | | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people Who cares if they're not hurting. It's their content, they do with it as they see fit. | |
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| | | | |  ScottMoOnce in a LifetimePremium,MVM
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Stony Brook, NY | "Took in" does not mean profit. That's just ticket sales. You have to take into account the expenses.
In 2004, the six major studios (Disney, Fox, Warner Bros., Paramount, Universal, Sony, and their subsidiaries) had revenue from the following sources:
World-wide box office ticket sales 7.4 billion
World-wide video sales 20.9 billion
World-wide TV licensing: 17.7 billion
Since the total for all the movies cost 9.62 billion to get into theathers, the studios lost 2.2 billion on the box office, but made back tons on the video sales & TV licensing (14 & 16 billion each), especially TV where the studios have little direct costs other than residuals.
Its obvious why studios want to protect DVD sales & HBO/Showtime/VOD sales; it makes them money whereas box office sales do not. To look at the box office and say that the studios have already covered their costs isn't backed up by facts.
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| | | | | | | | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people If that were the least bit true, they woudln't have the box office at all -all the movies would go straight to dvd. | |
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1 edit | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people said by fourty1onetw :If that were the least bit true, they woudln't have the box office at all -all the movies would go straight to dvd.
Incorrect. If the studios are going to shell out $9.6 billion to make movies, why wouldn't they put them in theaters to pick up the extra $7.4b? They already made the movie, they need to profit on it as much as possible. Your thinking is too limited in scope, think Big Picture. | |
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| | | | | | | | | said by fourty1onetw :If that were the least bit true, they woudln't have the box office at all -all the movies would go straight to dvd.
In a theater, you can charge per person. A DVD it is per sale and you can show it to 10 of your friends or family multiple times. | |
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| |  ZaberWhen all are gone, there shall be none
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Cleveland, OH | said by fifty nine:Is a portion of that $9 per month shared among all of the studios going to be enough to even cover production expenses? I doubt it.
What you and the Studios fail to see is that it is better than the $0 they would get otherwise.
People, in general, when given the opportunity for a fair trade for a product will take it. If not they will either have no use for the product, or that will take the product by force. Both cases leaving the producer with nothing.
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| | | | | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people They are not getting $0. DVDs and Blurays are selling. | |
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Cleveland, OH | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people said by fifty nine:They are not getting $0. DVDs and Blurays are selling.
Yes they are, what exactly is your point? Did the VCR kill theaters like Studio executives claimed they would? No the Studios received another revenue stream. This time is a little different, there are other options that are lower cost and better product (no DRM), if they demand too much money people will use these other options.
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| |  GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
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kudos:16 | Netflix has 14 million subscribers. Their revenue for 2009 was $1.67 billion (although they had a much lower average subscriber count for 2009), and only 6% of that was profit (the rest went to cover expenses). A good chunk of that probably went to infrastructure costs, but they're planning to eventually transition to streaming-only, which has much lower distribution costs. Considering that this is an alternative to DVD rentals, not movie ticket sales, there's plenty of revenue for the movie studios to have here.
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| | | | | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people 1.67 billion in the movie industry is a tip you'd leave for a waiter. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people said by fifty nine:1.67 billion in the movie industry is a tip you'd leave for a waiter.
BS. The studios earned about 10 billion at the box office last year. More than Netflix to be sure, but once you taken into account production and promotional costs and how much the theaters get how much did they make at the box office? And of course Avatar was big reason for that $10 bil. No Avatar this year. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people said by BF69:said by fifty nine:1.67 billion in the movie industry is a tip you'd leave for a waiter.
BS. The studios earned about 10 billion at the box office last year. More than Netflix to be sure, but once you taken into account production and promotional costs and how much the theaters get how much did they make at the box office? And of course Avatar was big reason for that $10 bil. No Avatar this year. The theaters makes the least amount from the movies (if anything) and have to make most of their operating budgets from the concession stand. | |
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| | | | said by fifty nine:Is a portion of that $9 per month shared among all of the studios going to be enough to even cover production expenses? I doubt it.
How much do they make off of a DVD in a rental store? Just the cost of that 1 DVD. Streaming offers the same revenue minus the cost of the actual media. | |
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Ann Arbor, MI | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people said by moonpuppy:How much do they make off of a DVD in a rental store? Just the cost of that 1 DVD. Streaming offers the same revenue minus the cost of the actual media.
Yeah, but they charge an arm and a leg for that DVD. That's why if you lose or damage one they charge you almost $100 for a disk you can buy for less than $20.
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| Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people and cable companies do the same thing. They pay maybe $5 for a remote control -lose it or don't return it $25+ on that remote. a cable box? $300-$1,000+ depending on the box and the provider. How much do they pay. maybe $100 if they're lucky. It's their property and they're allowed to charge what they want to get it back and then some. | |
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| | | While it is certainly true that some movies make money and some lose money, your implication is false as over all they make tons of money.
Show me one major movie studio that actually lost money last year.
Actually, show me one that did not make more money last year than it did the year before.
Their greed blinds them, as the popular movies that have already made tons of profits are just gravy when they are released on DVD and go into rental. So there is no real need to be restrictive with them. The ones that did not fair so well, they should just be glad and gracious to earn even another dime on when someone buys the DVD or rents it to watch. | |
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Ann Arbor, MI | said by moonpuppy:I would love to see the studios copy what Netflix does and see how well they do it starting from scratch.
You enjoy waiting train wrecks, don't you?
Looks like the entertainment industry has figured out too late, ooh big shock there, that NetFlix is the future. As usual they are wanting to head in a direction that will keep their product from customers rather than embracing change.
Worried that NetFlix will become like Apple's iTunes? Too late. You can't come to market with a device that connects to a television, or a television for that matter, and NOT have NetFlix available, if you expect to have any traction in the market place. NetFlix is already too big for the entertainment industry to control.
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Who you you think created Hulu? It was NBC Universal and News Corp, later joined by The Walt Disney Company. All of them own studios.
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Ann Arbor, MI | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people said by Morac:Who you you think created Hulu? It was NBC Universal and News Corp, later joined by The Walt Disney Company. All of them own studios.
And what are they doing with it? Killing it with their stupidity. Blocking views from Google TV, yeah that's a good idea, lets prevent people from getting to our product.
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| | | | | Re: Studio heads are some of the dumbest people said by Kilroy:said by Morac:Who you you think created Hulu? It was NBC Universal and News Corp, later joined by The Walt Disney Company. All of them own studios.
And what are they doing with it? Killing it with their stupidity. Blocking views from Google TV, yeah that's a good idea, lets prevent people from getting to our product. DING DING DING!!!! WE HAVE A WINNAR!!!!!
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| | Netflix needs to add pay per view as well Netflix needs to add a pay per view option (like Vudu) for major/new titles that would never make the all u can eat plan. They should cut a deal with studios that gives studios a good chunk of the pay per view revenue if NF gets a good deal on a larger library of titles outside of PPV.
NF is on more devices than any other streaming service. The studios need to embrace that delivery mechanism, not constrain it. | |
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kudos:4 | Netflix paying more to studios for current network TV shows
Netflix is making a big move to get more content for its live streaming service, offering $75,000-$100,000 for new episodes of TV shows in the middle of a TV season, the New York Post reports.
Netflix isn't offering $75,000-$100,000 for a season of shows, it's willing to pay that much for a SINGLE episode. | |
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| | Sucks to be middleman right now We are seeing more and more that content is king. Too bad studios don't see that the more distribution partners the better. | |
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| There lies mulitple problems... and solutions!
Netflix can buy a studio and make exclusive content. Folks need jobs, heck a bunch of writers just got canned. There is a boatload of cheap domestic and foreign talent (studio doesn't have to be in the states).
Netflix can be bought by a studio (HBO, Showtime,...) or by a CoMMolith (Verizon, Xfinity, ATT...) and use their contracts for medium with Netflix as the delivery.
Studio execs are so focused on their greed and not wisdom.
History shows they missed the boat on digital tech (Wahhhh, you said you would sell CDs and now you are selling copies of music that isn't tangible! Waaahhh. Instead of $99 VHS tapes, it's $5.99 shows! ROFL!).
Studio Exec=tanned, smooth-hand wanker. | |
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| bgraham
join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY Reviews:
 ·Verizon VoiceWing
·Verizon FiOS
·VOIPo
| Re: There lies mulitple problems... said by cableties:and solutions!
Studio execs are so focused on their greed and not wisdom.
History shows they missed the boat on digital tech (Wahhhh, you said you would sell CDs and now you are selling copies of music that isn't tangible! Waaahhh. Instead of $99 VHS tapes, it's $5.99 shows! ROFL!).
Studio Exec=tanned, smooth-hand wanker.
Didn't the film industry have the same issues when VCR's first came out? Screaming that everyone would be copying everything and they would get nothing. Eventually they must have made tons of money from video rentals. Back in the day, our local Blockbuster was out of movies unless you got there before 3 PM.
I think the movie industry is just mad as hell that they still cannot get into (or understand) the digital age. Instead of bitching and moaning go out and start your own version of Netflix or sell video on demand to the cable co's.
A few years ago we used to rent a couple of movies a month from Blockbuster. Goodbye Blockbuster, now we use Verizon's movies on demand. It's the same price and I don't have to drive. Also it costs half the price of going to the movies. I am sure that within a few years we will be sitting there trying to explain to our grand kids what a movie theater was. | |
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| | BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: There lies mulitple problems... said by bgraham:Didn't the film industry have the same issues when VCR's first came out? Screaming that everyone would be copying everything and they would get nothing.
Yep in fact the case went all the way to the Supreme Court. The studios lost. But in the end they won because VHS( which lead to DVD then blu-ray ) probably saved most of them from going under. But this shows how dumb they are. | |
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·Verizon FiOS
| If you go back to 2002 (Clinton's White Water and Flowers Fiasco helped hide this tidbit from poking-the-consumer-bear) MAP caused the NY and Florida ATGs to fine the same "media moguls" that have likely either merged or hoped we forget:
»www.usatoday.com/life/music/news···nt_x.htm
I suspect that once they "lobby" and throttle "competiton" much like the phone company monopolized the land line industry, maybe some bright ATGs will step up and ... oh wait...I am dreaming... | |
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | Netflix, Powerful? Why, because they were willing to pay a billion dollars, to the studios, to obtain rights to stream content? Because they demonstrated that in good faith, parties can negotiate a successful outcome, much like iTunes once did with the recording industry?
Netflix is doing the hard work to move the ball down the field towards it technological destiny, unlike Google, Apple, and CableSatelCo. Rates for the flat-rate movie library model WILL have to rise (and/or be splintered into movies v. channels v. TV series) in order to buy off the cable industry, but Netflix will find a way to achieve value for the consumer while satisfying investors. | |
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Netflix, Powerful? said by elray: Rates for the flat-rate movie library model WILL have to rise (or be splintered into movies v. channels v. TV series) in order to buy off the cable industry, but Netflix will find a way to achieve value for the consumer while satisfying investors. No doubt. They already have a "starz only" streaming option. The $8 streaming only option won't last unless their happy with only having old content. Customers will want an expect newer movies. This will cost money. I can see it going up to $20 a month, but having newer movies. Say within 6 months of DVD. | |
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| | bn1221
join:2009-04-29
Cortland, NY | Re: Netflix, Powerful? Yeah but a 25 year old movie (Back the the Future) isn't an option to stream. But you can get it on Blu-ray - normal DVDs weren't even around in 1985! | |
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| | The biggest problem... Netflix takes away from their precious Advertising Revenue...
You know, cause if we see an ad we'll have to buy the product... | |
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: The biggest problem... said by buzz_4_20:Netflix takes away from their precious Advertising Revenue...
You know, cause if we see an ad we'll have to buy the product...
Actually you will. Advertising works. If you're over 40 and I sing you a jingle from a commerical from the 70's I bet you can finish it. | |
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| Re: The biggest problem... said by BF69:said by buzz_4_20:Netflix takes away from their precious Advertising Revenue...
You know, cause if we see an ad we'll have to buy the product...
Actually you will. Advertising works. If you're over 40 and I sing you a jingle from a commerical from the 70's I bet you can finish it. That's because commercial back then were actually good. If I ever went on a rampage, I would hunt down Flo from Progressive Insurance the second I found my car keys. | |
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| | | | | Re: The biggest problem... I also remember lyrics from Vanilla Ice... doesn't mean I'm buying any thing... | |
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Cliff
join:2002-02-27
Gaithersburg, MD | Have it your way Mr. Consumer ... ... not a chance. We do know what's better for you. | |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Production companies A lot of movies and tv series are not made by the studios but by smaller production companies. They then shop their product around to the studios, to distribute them. How long before these production companies start making deals with netflix before they shop around their products? | |
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| | Well... I'm not apologist for the MPAA studios, but I think it is BS that this would lead to greater piracy rates.
If someone is going to pirate movies, they aren't paying for Netflix in the first place. Why would they spend ANY money, if they already know how to spend NO money? Hell, pirates can usually get movies BEFORE release day, so why exactly would they be waiting on Netflix for anything? So it bothers me that people use the "more piracy" excuse as to why releases shouldn't be delayed for RedBox and Netflix, because it just doesn't make sense that piracy would increase because of that.
This doesn't make me want to pirate. I already didn't see the movie in the theater, I think I can wait until Netflix can get it to me. So I don't really understand why someone needs to see the movie on release day. Does someone really go out on Tuesday and immediately buy or rent a brand new movie because they just can't wait? And I mean more than a few people, because obviously SOME people do it.
But is there a point? What does a release date mean more than psychologically? Nothing at all. I guess if you are easily sucked in by advertisments for movie release days, then you're out trying to get the movie on release day. But you certainly aren't a person that can figure out how to pirate a movie. | |
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| morboComplete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000 | Re: Well... Underestimating the general public, I see. | |
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| | | Rampant piracy is about time and effort. It takes time to figure out how to pirate something. It takes time to find what your looking for, it takes time to actually download a 2 hour film. It takes time to know if you have the right codecs to play what you want. It takes time to figure out how to run a pirated film from your pc to your TV. $8 a month to stream gives so much content that there is no point in pirating, and DVDs by mail get you exactly what you want.
The most pirated video content in the US is by far HBO shows. They are exclusive, they have a long time between when they are shown and when they are available on DVD and they are can also be water cooler conversation shows.
Music downloads were simple, fast and easy to transcode. If movies become more difficult to get access to, clever pirates will make simpler faster ways to get the content.
I don't pirate because there is no need with Netflix and hulu. | |
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| | | Have you ever tried to download a movie for free? It's not always as easy as you think. If you do it thru P2P, you have to deal with waiting in a queue, waiting for the file to download (which can be a long time considering the size of the file or if the other person has a slow connection), and files that turn out to be fakes, incomplete, or poor quality.
You might be able to find it for download on a website somewhere, but you run the risk of being infected by malware, as my one friend found out the hard way awhile back.
I never downloaded movies myself, except for some "educational" ones , but I used to download music all the time, and ran into a lot of the hassles I mentioned above. Now that you can download it from Amazon for a buck or so, I do that. It's so much easier that way.
Yes, there are a few people that will pirate no matter what. I'm not denying that. But I think that there are enough people who are willing to pay a reasonable price to make it worthwhile for the movie companies to embrace the technology, rather than fighting it. | |
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| | | | Re: Well... Actually - after you set it up and educate yourself, it's a very easy thing.
The best thing is that full bluray rips in 100% quality are really easy to find if you know what to look for. Also - with the right internet package they can be had in less then an hour or two.
Making people wait 30 days from when the dvd/blu ray ABSOLUTELY increases piracy.
If I wanted a certain movie and I had everything setup so I spend 4 mins setting up the encrypted download (Not peer to peer) OR I had the choice to watch it on netflix THE SAME DAY it was released (or have it sent to me within a few days) I would gladly pick netflix.
Make me wait 30 days for a new release? Well, I don't have a netflix account.. | |
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| | I Congratulate the Studios! Meeting and discussing pricing and how to "control" a market is going to put the studios under a very harsh light. They still consider price-fixing and collusion a crime.
I would not be surprised if Netflix has their legal team meeting the FTC and federal investigators for lunch this afternoon to start an investigation as to why Netflix is singled-out, and why the studios are meeting to discuss the pricing of their product.
The studio heads need to re-read the Paramount consent decree and learn how nasty the federal government can be. | |
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| | I really wish these studios would calm down Since Netflix I have actually started to watch more movies than I ever have. I rarely go to the movie theater and so if it weren't for Netflix I wouldn't be watching as many movies I do now. Even if Netflix increased the price a little more for streaming I would still stay onboard assuming I can access all of their streaming content. Netflix is helping to expose more movies. | |
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| | Aren't you getting paid? That is my slogan, and I'm going to have to go back and read the entire article but so far my point is: "Aren't you getting paid?" Whats the problem, so they are showing content online and you are getting paid, what are the terms of the contract are you getting paid for one large sum to have one title or a catalog of titles or are you paid per play, either way... Aren't you getting paid?
Apple may have removed DRM but in so didn't they take everything to Plus levels? Songs are $1.29, I think there is also variable pricing too most newly released songs are $1.29, is that progress? Before anyone starts taking about quality it should be a moot point, the price difference should reflect the price to create the package, BluRays cost more to make than DVDs and the license may be more but why should I pay more to hear a few more bits a second than not? They should be selling you the song for personal use not the song at xyz quality level.
Something needs to be done with the Entertainment industry as they are never happy;
They complain that they didn't get enough money when they released the content
They complain that they agreed to use their content... and didn't get enough money
They complain what someone has done is too successful... so they didn't get enough money
Yet they produce at record levels, make money at record levels too and with a helping bulldoze of crap!
One would think that they'd like to put their eggs in the basket and then try for add on 'Premium' services | |
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 HarddriveProud American and Infidel since 1968.Premium
join:2000-09-20
Phone Room
kudos:2
·Comcast
| Improving piracy rates... It's already wide spread. How much more 'in your face' does P2P have to be, not including newsgroups?
Take for instance 'The American' staring George Clooney. It's release date at Amazon is December 28, 2010.
You can find the Blu-Ray rip of it already on Usenet.
So it's either go to the theater and possibly spend a fortune or get broadband for $30-$50 a month, then spend some extra money on some sort of device to be able to get Netflix streaming after paying a Netflix subscription.
Oh wait, get broadband ($30-$50 per month) then go with a free P2P app (less than a 1% chance of getting a DMCA letter) or a Usenet provider for $10-$12 a month (virtually no chance of getting a DMCA letter). Broadband + P2P/Usenet = watch new movie that's not being released for a month or more.
I love this picture...
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| vukota
join:2007-09-01
Wheeling, IL | Re: Improving piracy rates... said by Harddrive:...Oh wait, get broadband ($30-$50 per month) then go ...
Ohh wait, if you are paying for a broadband, you are very likely already paying to these clowns, so when you get Netflix, you'll be paying them twice, and they are still asking more? When you go to the store, there are many products with movie/cartoon heroes/pictures/signs, you are paying to the same clowns. You are buying your underwear, you are paying them for those movie/cartoon characters again.
I would like to watch some foreign content (not Spanish/Mexican) and these clowns are not letting me, I still have to pay them!
If our government had taxes like this, US would be couple trillions positive. | |
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| | HarddriveProud American and Infidel since 1968.Premium
join:2000-09-20
Phone Room
kudos:2 | Re: Improving piracy rates... just like paying for cable tv but you still get commercials on cable only channels.
revenue, revenue, revenue.
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| | | I get that as well, but I rip my own movies to my home theater PC. Almost 600 movies ripped to mkv, even the ones I have that come with a digital copy I still rip the dvd/blu ray. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | that picture is right on the money, I am always bugged by the multiple copyright and anti-piracy notices and then the stupid "would you steal a car" video they toss in now. sometimes with fast forward the only way to skip them. yet some other movies that I "acquired" at a certain "bay" I double click on the file and I am watching the movie. so uhm yea, there is something wrong when there are more steps for my collection of legally purchased Blu-Rays and DVDs to see a movie than the pirate collection.
That said if i Play the DVD in my HTPC using VLC I can make VLC skip right to the movie most times. DVD players dont do this because its likely a violation of that license with macrovision.
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| | Im Glad Hey its the new thing and it is nice. People love netflix. I know I like the fact that I have a big ass library and growing. Execs need to work with netflix. Video stores suck now and Why would I pay for a ppv movie from cable when I can watch it as part of my netflix subscription? I am so tired of Comcasts on demand they always add the same movies over and over with that stupid new sign next to the movie. | |
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 SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.Premium
join:2000-08-05
Mentor, OH
kudos:1
·RoadRunner Cable
·magicjack.com
| newsgroups anyone? Let them pressure netflix. Force netflix to increase fees. I for one will join others and steal the media that I want by going to newsgroups.
The execs should consider that.
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | Way to promote Piracy, MAFIAA execs. Lets see you have a fully legal service that people can watch movies and TV on the cheap(Netflix by mail and streaming). now you want to make that system cost more and be less desirable due to greater delays. as such people with the ability to figure out how to use torrents might switch to torrents. then MAFIAA execs whine about piracy.
Why is the entertainment industry always trying to kill things that make them money?
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·Brand X Internet
·DSL EXTREME
1 edit | Movie execs are jealous idiots! They're idiots for not seeing something as obvious as Netflix years ago (but then again these are the same people who tried to nip video rentals in the bud)-AND they're jealous that Netflix has not only figured it out, but has done well IN SPITE of them!
Perhaps all that coke has permanently fried their brains? | |
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