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2010-May-6 2:48 pm
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It's a factWhen I first got my iPhone 3GS in Sept 09, I only noticed a small increase in the numbers of dropped calls, over the past month my dropped calls have increased noticeably, in central NJ. I'm having more issues in my apartment itself, with the signal dropping out it seems.
Oddly enough you know when my calls are most likely to drop, when I'm on the phone with my mother who is also an AT&T subscriber, guess we double our odds of disconnecting because we have two ends on a buggy AT&T wireless connection.
I hope they fix it soon, I love my IPhone, but the dropped calls are getting tiresome. | |
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Re: It's a factThe increase I noticed after getting my IPhone, was compared to when I had Verizon wireless, I realize I didn't specify what I was comparing it to. | |
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| aztecnologyO Rly? Premium Member join:2003-02-12 Murrieta, CA |
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said by MovieLover76:When I first got my iPhone 3GS in Sept 09, I only noticed a small increase in the numbers of dropped calls, over the past month my dropped calls have increased noticeably, in central NJ. It's not the phone or the network. It's New Jersey... | |
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Re: It's a factYea, yea NJ sucks, but just remember North Jersey isn't the entire state, most of it is nice. Though the taxes and car insurance do suck all over NJ. | |
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| Tweak Premium Member join:2002-06-08 Colonial Heights, VA |
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I agree with this survey. I have an iphone 3gs and my neighbor has an iphone 3g. We are a building apart and we have lots of dropped calls . I know its not an issue with the iphones themselves because my friend from Canada has no problems with dropped calls. AT&T network stinks. | |
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said by MovieLover76:When I first got my iPhone 3GS in Sept 09, I only noticed a small increase in the numbers of dropped calls, over the past month my dropped calls have increased noticeably, in central NJ. I'm having more issues in my apartment itself, with the signal dropping out it seems. Oddly enough you know when my calls are most likely to drop, when I'm on the phone with my mother who is also an AT&T subscriber, guess we double our odds of disconnecting because we have two ends on a buggy AT&T wireless connection. I hope they fix it soon, I love my IPhone, but the dropped calls are getting tiresome. It's the iPhone not the network in a lot of cases, problems are caused by the infineon chip in the iPhone itself, my LG EXPO doesn't have any 3G problems like my iPhone. | |
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Tweak
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2010-May-6 12:31 am
Re: It's a factUntrue there are none of these reports worldwide. Other nations get much better 3g performance with the iphone . I took my iphone to Vancouver Canada and did not have any problems with dropped calls. | |
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Re: It's a factsaid by Tweak:Untrue there are none of these reports worldwide. Other nations get much better 3g performance with the iphone . I took my iphone to Vancouver Canada and did not have any problems with dropped calls. Google the O2 issue and the infineon chip. It's widely known the iPhone has poor network RF performance. | |
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Re: It's a factsaid by iLive4Fusion:Google the O2 issue and the infineon chip. It's widely known the iPhone has poor network RF performance. Not true at all. I have T-Mobile and a jailbroken iPhone and almost never have a dropped call. | |
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Re: It's a factsaid by HappyBunny9:said by iLive4Fusion:Google the O2 issue and the infineon chip. It's widely known the iPhone has poor network RF performance. Not true at all. I have T-Mobile and a jailbroken iPhone and almost never have a dropped call. You don't even have 3G on it. The issues all revolve around 3G. | |
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it's a widely known rumor, while O2 did have some similar issues, that is mostly due to O2 being the crappy carrier or AT&T equivalent in Europe, many carriers have the iPhone in other countries without the issues that AT&T and O2 have had, also my mother and father are AT&T customers, they don't have an iPhone and they have the same issues with dropped calls that I do.
The question I have for them always is if you don't have an iPhone why do you have AT&T in NJ lol. Verizon offers superior service for the same price and Sprint offers almost comparable service for less. lol | |
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2010-May-5 4:46 pm
CDMA vs GSMThe chart shows Verizon & Sprint doing the best with T-Mobile then AT&T pulling up the rear. Maybe the CDMA technology just works better for Voice than GSM, especially when doing the handoffs as you move from cell to cell. I know my brother has AT&T and calls from him are fine, unless he is in the car moving or a train. Then the call will be fine & all of a sudden it will just drop away. | |
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2010-May-5 4:51 pm
Re: CDMA vs GSMsaid by FFH5:The chart shows Verizon & Sprint doing the best with T-Mobile then AT&T pulling up the rear. Maybe the CDMA technology just works better for Voice than GSM, especially when doing the handoffs as you move from cell to cell. I know my brother has AT&T and calls from him are fine, unless he is in the car moving or a train. Then the call will be fine & all of a sudden it will just drop away. want something crazy.. back in 2001 a hand-off went really wrong... I was at home in CT and my mom was crossing over the GWB and all of a sudden the line got silent and the phone switched over to a women saying hello hello? | |
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I don't have the source on hand but I recall reading many times over the years that CDMA does a better job sustaining a call with a lower signal level.
I personally usually don't have issues with just 1 bar on Sprint. I'm surprised data still works well with just 1 bar (RSI around 100). | |
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2010-May-5 6:22 pm
Re: CDMA vs GSMsaid by xenophon:I don't have the source on hand but I recall reading many times over the years that CDMA does a better job sustaining a call with a lower signal level. I have read that as well. One bar with Sprint/Verizon will sound just as good as full bars. | |
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Re: CDMA vs GSMsaid by swintec:said by xenophon:I don't have the source on hand but I recall reading many times over the years that CDMA does a better job sustaining a call with a lower signal level. I have read that as well. One bar with Sprint/Verizon will sound just as good as full bars. Typically AT&T and T-Mobile can too when they are running AMR-Full Rate, but when they have Half Rate running the call quality is pretty bad at any signal level. Especially while moving. | |
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2010-May-5 5:24 pm
said by FFH5:The chart shows Verizon & Sprint doing the best with T-Mobile then AT&T pulling up the rear. Maybe the CDMA technology just works better for Voice than GSM, especially when doing the handoffs as you move from cell to cell. I know my brother has AT&T and calls from him are fine, unless he is in the car moving or a train. Then the call will be fine & all of a sudden it will just drop away. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So ··· handover» Dropped Calls: Why this happens on a technological level | |
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3G (AT&T/T-Mobile) is based on CDMA technology and carries voice.
The biggest problem, with AT&T (not sure about T-Mo), is the use of spectrum.
GSM + 3G both carrying voice + data consuming spectrum on separate spectrum. Essentially having AT&T split their capacity between legacy GSM and more current UMTS/3G.
CDMA has voice 1x and data and EVDO. Voice is all 1x, data is mostly all EVDO.
I.E. for ~40MHz of spectrum in a place like L.A., VZW would have ~25MHz of voice on 850MHz cellular, and ~15 MHz of EVDO data on 1900 PCS AT&T has mixed 25 MHz of 850/1900 GSM voice + data and 20 MHz of mixed 850/1900 for 3G voice / data. Until AT&T cuts GSM spectrum for 3G, this will continue, and possibly get worse. | |
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said by FFH5:The chart shows Verizon & Sprint doing the best with T-Mobile then AT&T pulling up the rear. Maybe the CDMA technology just works better for Voice than GSM, especially when doing the handoffs as you move from cell to cell. I know my brother has AT&T and calls from him are fine, unless he is in the car moving or a train. Then the call will be fine & all of a sudden it will just drop away. 3G on AT&T is W-CDMA, this survey is coming from a company nobody has heard of till today. And it's all market based, Sprint you can't even get a signal here to even begin to drop a call. | |
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said by FFH5:The chart shows Verizon & Sprint doing the best with T-Mobile then AT&T pulling up the rear. Maybe the CDMA technology just works better for Voice than GSM, especially when doing the handoffs as you move from cell to cell. I know my brother has AT&T and calls from him are fine, unless he is in the car moving or a train. Then the call will be fine & all of a sudden it will just drop away. The calls drop because of capacity issues, not because of technology. Plus ATT uses UMTS in NYC which can talk to 3 towers at once. Its all backhaul issues. | |
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2010-May-5 4:55 pm
SurveysYou have to always keep in mind how the survey was conducted...before you give any credence to the survey results. In the case of ChangeWave, they selected from their members
and that is not how you run a survey if you want a statically unbiased sample. I might as well just ask a few of my friends
how many of you have had dropped calls and then pump out some graphs to prove whatever point that I want. Bogus survey methodology leads to bogus results. | |
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Tweak
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2010-May-5 9:04 pm
Re: SurveysAre you an an employee of At&t? If not why on earth would any one defend such a crappy network? | |
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Re: Surveyssaid by Tweak:Are you an an employee of At&t? If not why on earth would any one defend such a crappy network? Maybe because it's not crappy and it's not crappy everywhere? | |
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2010-May-5 10:17 pm
Re: SurveysWell, their network is fairly robust here (SBC Home territory before then expanded and bought out everyone and became AT&T) and yet I still witness and hear users complaining about dropped calls. | |
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From Austin to New York to Miami I hear complaints from friends and family over dropped calls.
All over the nation people complain of dropped calls . This survey just reflects what a poor network At&t has. Sometimes the truth hurts people that work for that horrible company. | |
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Re: Surveyssaid by Tweak:From Austin to New York to Miami I hear complaints from friends and family over dropped calls. All over the nation people complain of dropped calls . This survey just reflects what a poor network At&t has. Sometimes the truth hurts people that work for that horrible company. In my experience where I go most (N.NJ/PA) I have no issues with the quality of AT&T's network. For the past 6 years while traveling for both business and pleasure I also have no issues with the quality of AT&T's network. It equals and in many cases exceeds Verizon's. And BTW I don't work for AT&T; I work for a utility company. | |
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I'm not an employee - mostly not even a fan of ATT, but they do a great job around here... might be why they're the high price tacking on all the fees on the planet leader? | |
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said by Tweak:Are you an an employee of At&t? If not why on earth would any one defend such a crappy network? Try this on Verizon. Wait you can't | |
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2010-May-6 12:48 am
Re: SurveysLol are you using wifi? | |
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Well that is great for you. You must have 3 other ATT users on your tower. I have an Iphone 3g. I work in Palo Alto across the street from HP's world headquarters and the Zerox PARC facility(They invented the computer mouse). The only way for us to get even remotely decent coverage here was to install our own building repeaters. Even though we had a corporate contract with ATT for all cell phones(in the 4-5k range) they still would do nothing to allow us to use them at the freaking office! I have been to several SJ Sharks hockey games this year. At every game, no matter how many people were in attendance, I had to force the phone to EDGE only in order to use ANY function. I had no voice, no data and no txt abilities while the phone was in 3g mode. I switched to EDGE during a playoff game on April 29th and suddenly I got 10 txts that were sent to me over the previous hour. Others around me with t-mo,vzw, and sprint had NONE of these issues. Their phones were fully functional at all times during the game. I do understand that I am at an event where there are a lot of uses in a confined space. I have heard that ATT does have a cell "in the building" at HP Pavilion but obviously it still can't handle the load. | |
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t-mobilei love being among the minority for a change. | |
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2010-May-6 2:53 pm
Re: t-mobilesaid by ArrayList:i love being among the minority for a change. T-Mobile is always the minority... | |
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2010-May-5 5:34 pm
Hello? Hello? Hello?I got a new slogan for them. Tell me if you like it. Rethink Reconnect possible? | |
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lefty1
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2010-May-5 6:27 pm
Dropped callsI get a moderate amount of what I call half-dropped calls. I can still hear the person I'm talking to perfectly but somewhere during the conversion they can no longer hear me, no matter how loudly I scream into the phone. I can usually call back and everything is O.K. again, but I shouldn't have to. And sometimes calling back ain't convenient. | |
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2010-May-5 9:07 pm
1 of 2I have half of my calls dropped. first call drops most of the time. AT&T should pay back half of the monthly fee to his customers. They keep us loosing time and money. | |
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Who remembers the # of callsSeriously, who remembers the # of calls they made and then the # of those calls that dropped over the last 90 days?
I mean really - do you remember every call you made in the last 3 months and then if it dropped or not? I sure don't.
I can say I'm on AT&T with an iPhone 3G and it doesn't drop calls much. It does drop them but so does Verizon so it's a wash.
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NetworkEven though AT&T does have issues, I don't understand how everyone can just say they have terrible service everywhere without having any data to support their claim. I have AT&T using an iPhone 3G have great svc in Birmingham, AL. Actually never really had any issues since the the Cingular days. Only time when I really had serious issues is when they switch from TDMA to GSM. So just because I have experience great service does ever AT&T customer does and just because someone has had terrible serivice with them doesn't mean every AT&T customer does. | |
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Exodus
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2010-May-6 3:09 pm
I switched from AT&T to Verizon because of this.My wife and I both had AT&T for 10+ years and have had dropped calls. When I cancelled, neither of us could go 10 minutes without a dropped call. Didn't matter if our signal was at full. Didn't matter if we stood in one place, or if we were driving. Calls dropped all the time.
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2010-May-9 5:07 pm
att BhamiPhone 3G was always REALLY good here in Birmingham, Al. - UNTIL the first of the year. *Something is going on with the towers here. Just this spring, everyone w/ an iPhone says their dropped calls have gone way up. Same with me, especially calling another att cell phone in Las Vegas, NV. Calls drop dead, redialing hangs with dead air/ no activity. Really tiring of this... | |
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