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Study: iPhone Users Actually Secretly Love AT&T
Though they may be suffering from Apple intoxication...
by Karl Bode Friday 23-Jul-2010 tags: business · wireless · hardware · stats
According to a new study from the Yankee Group, 73% of iPhone users are very satisfied with AT&T's service, a number well above the industry average satisfaction score (69) and AT&T's score for all phones (68). So what explains this satisfaction given two years of complaints and AT&T's customer satisfaction scores traditionally falling at the tail end of the spectrum? Researchers guess that users are so in love with the phone as an all-purpose device, they transfer some of this adoration over to AT&T via a "halo effect":

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"Consumers transfer the high gloss of their Apple iPhone experience to AT&T," says Carl Howe, Yankee Group analyst and author of the study. "The iPhone creates a halo effect that rubs off." In other words, iPhone customers' praise for their network may be a result of the famous "reality distortion field" that surrounds Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500) CEO Steve Jobs and his company's products. But AT&T says its network really isn't as bad as many people think. It's a perception problem, not a service problem, in the company's eyes.

Instead of acknowledging the problem and explaining again how they're working on shortcomings (which they certainly are), AT&T has to insult peoples' intelligence by suggesting the problems have been hallucinatory in nature. Being unprepared for wireless traffic surges AT&T consistently sees coming isn't a "perception" problem, and it can't be fixed by more PR.

One thing that's also happening in terms of AT&T's satisfaction rates in the Yankee study is the firm didn't bother to study users by region. Many of the angry AT&T iPhone users tend to be in San Francisco and New York, where congestion wreaks havoc on AT&T's network. Unlike say in Cleveland, where users have a completely different experience on the AT&T network (like the ability to make phone calls on major highways).

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Perfect

And you wonder why AT&T and Apple initially hit it off
their PR departments agree on one thing, never admit fault and blow bs up the customers ass.

That said I'm a happy iPhone customer, not in NYC or San Francisco, I will admit however that the small increase in issues, dropped calls, echoed voices, slow data than when I had Verizon. do tend to be subdued by my general satisfaction with the iphone as a great general purpose device, so even in less problematic markets the halo effect is active.

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Re: Perfect

I have seen great improvement in NJ though, I haven't had a echod call in months and the number of dropped calls have vastly improved.
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Lets see, I love AT&T so much that I went out yesterday and ordered myself a brand new Android X, should be here early next month. Even AT&T's mobile hotspot does not fix there dropped call issue with my 3Gs and it takes even longer for a call to go through, why the hell would I pay even more for a iPhone 4 when the AT&T network is just shit.

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Yes, it's all a perception problem...

As I was calling 9-1-1 yesterday because I didn't have my radio with me my calls continuously failed.

In the middle of New Orleans and dropping calls left and right.

All about perception huh? I think its a REception problem, not a perception problem.

I guarantee my "love" for my iphone hasnt't rubbed off on AT&T's network.
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Re: Yes, it's all a perception problem...

said by exocet_cm:

As I was calling 9-1-1 yesterday because I didn't have my radio with me my calls continuously failed.

In the middle of New Orleans and dropping calls left and right.

All about perception huh? I think its a REception problem, not a perception problem.

I guarantee my "love" for my iphone hasnt't rubbed off on AT&T's network.
I dumped my iPhone....couldn't stand AT&T for those exact reasons.

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Re: Yes, it's all a perception problem...

said by Jameson:

said by exocet_cm:

As I was calling 9-1-1 yesterday because I didn't have my radio with me my calls continuously failed.

In the middle of New Orleans and dropping calls left and right.

All about perception huh? I think its a REception problem, not a perception problem.

I guarantee my "love" for my iphone hasnt't rubbed off on AT&T's network.
I dumped my iPhone....couldn't stand AT&T for those exact reasons.
Looks like AT&T had a halo effect on the iphone
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Dropping calles left and right? Funny, I work all over New Orleans (and St. Bernard) and don't have any problems.

Maybe it's your phone.

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Re: Yes, it's all a perception problem...

said by MinesFine :

Dropping calles left and right? Funny, I work all over New Orleans (and St. Bernard) and don't have any problems.

Maybe it's your phone.
People keep saying this, but I have had a Bold 9700 and now have a Bold 9000 provided by work, and they drop just as many calls as my iPhone did. At least 1 out of every 4 calls drops.

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My Samsung Blackjack dropped calls all the time. iPhone 3G was just as bad when I got it, then some AT&T network improvements came. Now dropped calls are much more rare. Things have improved, just wish they were improving faster.
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Re: Yes, it's all a perception problem...

I agree. When 3G first came around in Valencia, my Samsung ZX-20 was nothing but dropped calls. It improved a lot after they added a 2nd carrier channel.

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said by MinesFine :

Dropping calles left and right? Funny, I work all over New Orleans (and St. Bernard) and don't have any problems.

Maybe it's your phone.
No, my Blackberry Bold 9000 did this just as much as my iPhone. I ditched my Blackberry and went to the iPhone (not for reception issues) but still have the same problems.
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said by exocet_cm:

I guarantee my "love" for my iphone hasnt't rubbed off on AT&T's network.
So you are part of the 27% that AT&T doesn't care about.
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They sent you out on the street without a radio? I won't let my guys work a traffic detail without one.

That, is a disgrace. Unless there's some sort of mitigating factor in effect here, your administration needs a swift kick in the aers...
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Re: Yes, it's all a perception problem...

said by N3OGH:

They sent you out on the street without a radio? I won't let my guys work a traffic detail without one.

That, is a disgrace. Unless there's some sort of mitigating factor in effect here, your administration needs a swift kick in the aers...
I was off-duty and left my radio at the house. It was my fault.
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Re: Yes, it's all a perception problem...

Ahh, copy. You SHOULD leave it home when you're off. Sometimes I ask my guys when they leave the job behind, and they tell me they read the damn Galls catalog on the can! Take the time to separate yourself from it or you'll burn out..

Take it from someone who's been there....
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said by exocet_cm:

As I was calling 9-1-1 yesterday because I didn't have my radio with me my calls continuously failed.

In the middle of New Orleans and dropping calls left and right.

All about perception huh? I think its a REception problem, not a perception problem.

I guarantee my "love" for my iphone hasnt't rubbed off on AT&T's network.
Why are you calling 911, you ARE the police.
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Re: Yes, it's all a perception problem...

said by Maggs:

said by exocet_cm:

As I was calling 9-1-1 yesterday because I didn't have my radio with me my calls continuously failed.

In the middle of New Orleans and dropping calls left and right.

All about perception huh? I think its a REception problem, not a perception problem.

I guarantee my "love" for my iphone hasnt't rubbed off on AT&T's network.
Why are you calling 911, you ARE the police.
OFF DUTY?
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WeSRT4

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AT&T sucks

Apple needs to make the iPhone available on all networks. Remember how being closed worked out for Apple back in the day? Now Android will do the same thing to Apple that Microsoft did back then.
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Re: AT&T sucks

said by WeSRT4:

Remember how being closed worked out for Apple back in the day?
How's the closed-ness working for Apple's hardware sales? How about iTunes? The iPhone? I'd suggest that Apple is doing very well with its relatively closed platforms.

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Re: AT&T sucks

said by openbox9:

said by WeSRT4:

Remember how being closed worked out for Apple back in the day?
How's the closed-ness working for Apple's hardware sales? How about iTunes? The iPhone? I'd suggest that Apple is doing very well with its relatively closed platforms.
They wouldn't be if their locked down devices were unable to be jail broken.
My personal opinion is that jailbreaking helps apple a lot in sales.
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Re: AT&T sucks

You really think that jailbreakers are a large part of Apple's customer base? I disagree with that believe wholeheartedly.

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Re: AT&T sucks

said by openbox9:

You really think that jailbreakers are a large part of Apple's customer base? I disagree with that believe wholeheartedly.
Yes. Millions.

Cydia installer founder Jay Freeman estimates that over 10% of all iPhones are jailbroken.[1]

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_jailbreaking

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Re: AT&T sucks

said by Alcohol:

said by openbox9:

You really think that jailbreakers are a large part of Apple's customer base? I disagree with that believe wholeheartedly.
Yes. Millions.

Cydia installer founder Jay Freeman estimates that over 10% of all iPhones are jailbroken.[1]

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_jailbreaking
I wouldn't consider 10% of a single product to be a "large part" of a customer base.

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Re: AT&T sucks

said by Matt:

said by Alcohol:

said by openbox9:

You really think that jailbreakers are a large part of Apple's customer base? I disagree with that believe wholeheartedly.
Yes. Millions.

Cydia installer founder Jay Freeman estimates that over 10% of all iPhones are jailbroken.[1]

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_jailbreaking
I wouldn't consider 10% of a single product to be a "large part" of a customer base.
It's more than 10% and that doesn't include ipods.

Even 10% would be tens of millions. Although not a majority part of the customer base, still a significant one.

I'm sure most international versions aren't jail broken.
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Apple has already sold well over 3,000,000 iPhone 4s with no demand decrease in site. There isn't a jailbreak available.

Apple is doing just fine, with or without the jailbreakers.
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Re: AT&T sucks

said by MRCUR:

Apple has already sold well over 3,000,000 iPhone 4s with no demand decrease in site. There isn't a jailbreak available.

Apple is doing just fine, with or without the jailbreakers.
Of which at least 300,000 will be jailbroken shortly, as well, expect another sales spurt when the jailbreak is released.

Once apple eliminates the most egregious and obvious bugs, that is - don't hold your breath.

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said by MRCUR:

Apple has already sold well over 3,000,000 iPhone 4s with no demand decrease in site. There isn't a jailbreak available.

Apple is doing just fine, with or without the jailbreakers.
Just because it sold doesn't mean people aren't expecting a jail break.

A lot of people refuse to buy a locked down device like the iphone unless they know for a fact that it will be jail broken.
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No real problems here

I have At&t and am not really having many problems. Yes I do have an iPhone 3G, but have had At&t/Cingular/Houston Cellular since 2000. Every once in a while I will have a call drop or not go thru, but it usually will on the 2nd attempt. The only thing I would like them to do is start to expand 3G coverage along highways between cities. It makes no sense that there a huge 3G coverage gap between Conroe and Huntsville, and Huntsville and Corsicana, when traveling between Houston and Dallas on I-45. Overall, I have noticed an improvement over the past few years.
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Tune in, turn on, drop out ?

AT&T has to insult peoples' intelligence by suggesting the problems have been hallucinatory in nature

So when did Timothy Leary get added to the board of directors?
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Here we go again

Karl,

I checked... i-hateatandt.com is still available. Ever think of switching the site's name?

»www.godaddy.com/domains/searchre···ci=16811

Interesting you can completely dismiss the studies' results. Why is it interesting? Because, I have at&t and I am happy. My friends have at&t and they are happy. We are not alone, and even though you continually thrash them, there are people who like at&t.

Just saying..

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Re: Here we go again

The truth is while AT&T network is trash in some areas, it's very good in many areas, It really is comparable to Verizon where I live in most respects.

Is it a network problem to some extent, YES absolutely
Is it a PR issue to some extent, YES absolutely because AT&T does tend to treat it's customers as unimportant peons and deny that problems exist.

AT&T tries very hard to keep us from using the same devices that Apple tries to get us to use for more and more things, it's gonna be a PR nightmare for any cell phone carrier that gets the iPhone.

Despite the popularity of Android no one can argue that that mass effect of Android on a singular carrier doesn't even come close to what AT&T has had to deal with all of the IPhone's in the US.

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I think it's become common practice for me to log on DSLR and expect my daily dose of anti-AT&T news. Despite their crappy customer service, the network in my area is nothing short of excellent.
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Re: Here we go again

said by Time:

I think it's become common practice for me to log on DSLR and expect my daily dose of anti-AT&T news. Despite their crappy customer service, the network in my area is nothing short of excellent.
Good for you. Have a cookie.

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Re: Here we go again

said by digitalfreak:

said by Time:

I think it's become common practice for me to log on DSLR and expect my daily dose of anti-AT&T news. Despite their crappy customer service, the network in my area is nothing short of excellent.
Good for you. Have a cookie.
I'm sorry that you can't identify the extremely obvious bias that the news staff on this site holds.
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Re: Here we go again

I agree

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said by Time:

said by digitalfreak:

said by Time:

I think it's become common practice for me to log on DSLR and expect my daily dose of anti-AT&T news. Despite their crappy customer service, the network in my area is nothing short of excellent.
Good for you. Have a cookie.
I'm sorry that you can't identify the extremely obvious bias that the news staff on this site holds.
+1
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said by bdon78:

Karl,

I checked... i-hateatandt.com is still available. Ever think of switching the site's name?

»www.godaddy.com/domains/searchre···ci=16811

Interesting you can completely dismiss the studies' results. Why is it interesting? Because, I have at&t and I am happy. My friends have at&t and they are happy. We are not alone, and even though you continually thrash them, there are people who like at&t.

Just saying..
Yeah and there are people who have had (or are having) a horrible experience with them. I switched to an iPhone 3GS last year and quickly fell in love with the phone. However, service became almost unusable in the town where I work, and data speeds in generally were inconsistent and, for the most part, horribly slow in places where I spend most of my time.

A town of 50,000+ people should not have service so poor that you often cannot use data or even make a call. Needless to say, I switched back to Verizon and could not be happier. I have nothing but negative experience in dealing with AT&T, and that included many business trips I've taken all over the Northeast.
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said by bdon78:

Interesting you can completely dismiss the studies' results.
Karl has an agenda, why would you expect him to deviate from it?

Clarification: I have ATT and I've had problems with them, so I'm less than happy with them. However, I know many people who are happy with them and I don't try to convince to them not to be.
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Re: Here we go again

Karl is pissed 'cause he has problems with his iPhone.
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said by Z80A:

Karl is pissed 'cause he has problems with his iPhone.
HA HA HA....Now we're getting somewhere. Maybe he just missed the early upgrade date by a few weeks and had to pay full price for it.

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Re: Here we go again

Given his description of his problems i would be pissed to but it is obviously influencing his reporting.

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The complaintants make the news

The complaintants make the news, that is all, people love to complain and news sites love to propgate that. It is nothing new, so if 27% pf the people were'nt very happy (which, IMO, is still very high) then those people are going to make much more noise than the people that are complacent with how it works for them. I'm not going to go out of my way to tell someone that something works as I think it should and am very satisfied, but I will if I'm not.
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here is an additional thread from the dslr forums

»[iPhone] what do you think of this one
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Oh bother...

I bet it's the same % individuals that also use the most bandwidth...
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Halo effect

I've not heard that term used before, but it fits those of the Apple Liberation Front quite well:

"The iPhone creates a halo effect that rubs off." In other words, iPhone customers' praise for their network may be a result of the famous "reality distortion field" that surrounds Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500) CEO Steve Jobs and his company's products.
"

I suspect that the fanboys would still be lining up at 5am for the next iPhone even if it only connected via kite strings tied between the phone and the nearest tower

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It's OK

Just take the BLUE pill, everything will be fine.

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I like them...

I've had att since before iPhone here in FL. Never had issues at all. Customer service is fine, reception is always great, etc. Have used blackberry, an old winmo phone, iPhone 3g and now iPhone 4. Happy all around. I think the reality distortion is a the web... people complain more than they express satisfaction. Just saying...

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Re: I like them...

The iPhone is a remarkable device no two ways about but so is the EVO and I can place calls and access the network on the EVO without the issues that ATT/iphone solution offers so my perception is that the iphone/ATT solution sucks hind tit in the Bay area and NYC. When ATT fixes their lack of resources in these two major locales then "maybe" my perception would be more positive.
The iPhone may be the next best thing to SEX DRUGS and rock and roll but if oyu can't place a call , maintain a connection or access the services you are so dearly paying for then the phone is nothing but a pretty paper weight that lights up and is a damned expensive iPOD
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I was surprised to find out that some people experience good service with AT&T, until someone who knows very well that AT&T is really crappy actually told us what was going on: he took a trip to someplace other than his usual work and living places, other than one of the many places I've lived, and he reported that *everywhere* he went except for where he usually does business and lives (the same as one of the main areas I have lived most my life), AT&T service was actually *acceptable*. I.e., for whatever reason, AT&T has designed its quality of network to closely match some sort of area types that tend to circulate in their own circles pretty closely, but not cross over to the other circles. Notice that AT&T is bad in NYC and Greater San Francisco Bay Area, but it is good in the sticks and in Southern California now (it used to be bad in socal too according to some posts here, so perhaps that was a third intermediate circle). Well, believe it or not, those are three different circles of people, and most of us wouldn't be caught dead treading in the others' circles of area.

So it suddenly makes sense why a large group of people take it as matter-of-fact that AT&T is the devil and hell incarnate, and other large groups of people take it as matter-of-fact that AT&T has reasonable coverage. Neither group is wrong *within their own circle*, but leave their circle, and they couldn't be more wrong. Their circles closely tie to both social and geographical circles, so suddenly this all makes much more sense.

So, reality is not being distorted at the web. The discussions are, apparently, accurately reflecting the reality. It really makes a lot of sense when you look at the above data that this is the outcome. Certain groups claim "yeah it's great/OK", certain other groups claim "it's worse than absolutely horrible", and none of the groups can reconcile with the others' because very few people get the chance to cross-over into the other areas where things are just different -- social circles, geographical circles, etc. -- they seem to match up when it comes to AT&T's quality of implementation.

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Re: I like them...

Well said! I live in Central TX, about halfway btwn Dallas & Austin. In Dallas, Austin, Where I live AT&T is pretty good. My only complaint about my area.. is MMS messages take FOREVER to send. Internet works well, but MMS takes minutes to send a simple picture.

Last weekend, I went down near the Mexico border with my brother, who has Verizon. For about 1 of the 5 hour drive, I didn't have service, at all, yet my brother did. He was on the phone, and I couldn't even text.

Yet, when we got to our destination, he had nonexistant service (except in the local city, where of course, he had 5 bars)....

No network is perfect, although someday that *MAY* change..doubtful, but you never know. I think consumers should purchase the services that work best for them.

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Perception problem?

Perception problem? I'm inclined to agree. However, let's be clear: the perception problem is that AT&T's network is anything more than overpriced trash.

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Just pulled these speeds down last night

Click for full size
We can resume being friends....
...for now...

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Re: Just pulled these speeds down last night

Dang, great speeds here's my U-Verse


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Very nice. I wish I had that kind of upload on my connection -- Much less a phone.



Time Warner Cable Standard. 7mbps/512kbps w/ PowerBoost.

Share the upstream!
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Blog B!tches Wrong Again

I love seeing the Blog B!tches being proven wrong yet again......

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Maybe it's not that the iPhone is so good...

...it's that other handsets are that bad.

whatmeworry

@verizon.net

its the phone not the network for me

I've proved functionality with this, the iPhone recepttion issues are to do with the iPhone being a weak phone. I've done side by side test with my trusty old Moto V9. I found dead or low quality spots for the iPhone and then tested against the other phone. No problem and clear as a bell talking and video/data on the V9 rocked it. I've done this test with every version on the iPhone to date, same issue. Looks like they sacrificed reception for whatever reason. I have family in SD...not a real hot area for ATT. When I fly in, I swap the SIM card from the iPhone to my old Moto V9 and have no prblems roaming whereas the iPhone is useless the minute you drive out of the city.

LightS

join:2005-12-17
Waco, TX

Re: its the phone not the network for me

I agree. To me, it appears as though aesthetics are more important than function these days....
Flycat

join:2003-05-12
Lawrence, MA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

No problem with them here

In fact, the single experience I've had with their customer service was great. My wife had inverted 2 digits on one of her "A team?" and it led to quite an overage. The CS rep identified the obvious mistake, told me I'd see a credit on my already paid bill and the entire call took a minute and a half.
ebubman

join:2002-01-17
Mechanicsburg, PA

neither love nor hate

the relationship w/ att is more like sam kinison said years ago "what are you going to do? give sheep the right to vote?"

JBDragon

@comcast.net

S.F.

It takes 3+ years to put up a new Cell Tower in San Francisco!! That means when the first IPhone came out, only around NOW would you start seeing any better results in S.F. I'm not at all surprised. I less then a hour away and I avoid that City like the Plague that it is. Been quite a few years since the last time I went there.

I've also had ZERO dropped called on my Cell phones from AT&T, and I've been a member since it was Cingular. I have a Iphone 4 NOW which replaced my Motorola Razor. I'm even left handed, I was worried about the Antenna, but now after using it, it's been working great. It's also my FIRST Apple product EVER. No case on my phone, I do have a Custom SKIN on my phone. It's not any bulker.

My only AT&T problem and it's with all of these Wireless Carriers, is the High Prices!!! Worse is the high price on something that should be FREE, Messaging.

FastiBook

join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA

Re: S.F.

That's what i've been trying to get people to understand. If it were up to cell providers, there would be no place on the continent not served by at least one cell site. There are 3 things to take into consideration.

One: Zoning. If the local zoning only allows for a monopole of a certain hight, cell site not as useful as it could be.

Two: Engineering limitations. Every cell tower, be it free standing or structure mounted has engineering limitations, the wind load, plus static load, plus precipitation load, remember also that a rained on tower is going to have more drag on it than a dry one due to how water behaves. Monopoles are only good for a certain amount of torque at the base, and lattice towers have to worry about ice buildup and additional surface area drag. Structure mounted cell sites are limited by the structure they are mounted to, a lot of these buildings were never designed to have antennas bolted to them, and some of the mounting equipment is quite elaborate to avoid damaging brick for instance.

Three: NIMBY. There is still quite a lot of controversy about location of cell sites due to local opinions on the issue, these opinions do matter, they are valid concerns, property value, eyesore index etc etc. Also, just because a cell site is within eyesight, does not mean that your phone is connecting to it, and therefore you may not see a benefit. Some (a small %) of the towers primarily relay information when the call is being placed to a nearby cell site from the originating site using the transmitters vs the backhaul. Some of these cell sites are designed to cover a very wide area, so you , close up to it, may not be covered, and instead rely on a site farther away with a weaker signal, thankfully these are becoming less and less as cell sizes shrink to get more throughput/higher quality transmission per user, but it can and has happened.

It is not 100% up to the cell provider where and what the cell sites are, they have FCC compliance, soil testing, local opinion, structural limitations of the support structures, height and size limitations from local zoning or from other local conditions such as poor soil.

You come to my town, or the next one over, the 2 biggest most populated cell towers are lattice type towers sharing the tower with emergency and municipal equipment. The 2nd largest one has to be over by the interstate near an extended stay type motel, and a small business park, has 7 or 8 antenna bundles top to bottom, also state police radio equipment.

So, if i get poor signal, it's because i live on the edge of a municipality near a massive park, not because att doesn't want me to have good signal. I go outside of my street and i get 5 bars everywhere. Since i have wifi, it is a non-issue.

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