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| Re: Will this idiocy cease? Maybe you just don't get it do you? If you don't like the article or headlines, DO NOT POST! It's as simple as that.
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| Re: Will this idiocy cease? Maybe you do not understand mine - it just means that I have to do more reading on the subject, find the same motives and the same people involved. It's not really anything new.
Not that I am an enemy of the RIAA, (Being that I have to toe a very fine and wary line with them to maintain operation of my radio network) I just cannot personally condone the methodology that they are using to make sure that the "bills are paid."
At $750 - $15k or more per song found to be illegally obtained - they are simply ruining people. They (RIAA) are ruining their image, and they are ruining any further chances they may have down the road for implementing a business model that would be pleasing to all. Let alone the impact that is is having on file sharing. I bet you all, dollars to doughnuts that people are still trading out of spite.
In a nation of laws and legislature that has grown too far out of hand in the first place, this is just the feather in the cap - the straw that breaks the camel's back. RIAA has the funds and the political clout to keep on doing what it is that it is doing, and to buy more laws as it seems fit to keep encroaching, ultimately - into the private residence.
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The DMCA's powers go far beyond those of the typical subpoena, however. No judge has to sign off on the order - it only requires the stamp of a clerk of the court. Nor does a copyright holder have to prove that copyright infringement has occurred. The holder only has to allege infringement.
Emphasis in the above quote is mine alone -
What's to keep this from being a precedant that would allow other *organizations and associations* (Not agencies) to rally together and lobby to make other laws and legislature that would ingress into daily life?
Now with that to think upon for a while, I invite you to hand over some packets of ketchup while I am idling in your drive-thru restaurants' window of enlightenment...
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| Re: Will this idiocy cease? See below
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| "No judge has to sign off on the order - it only requires the stamp of a clerk of the court. Nor does a copyright holder have to prove that copyright infringement has occurred. The holder only has to allege infringement."
Thank you for trumpeting your ignorance.
A subpoena is a command for something. It requires no probable cause.
It is normally stamped with the clerk's name and then sealed.
IN only one case in 27 years did we get a USDJ to sign a subpoena, and that was because we knew in advance that the recipient would balk and we were prepared to have her brought into the court by Deputy Marshals.
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| Re: Will this idiocy cease? Well, now I know.  And if this forum is not a place of learning, then what is it for? I was lead to believe not only by other posters here, but articles in the past, that a Judge's signature was to be obtained for a subpoena to be legitimate. Also, the DMCA/RIAA's procedures seemed to be cast in a light that it got ruling passed into legislature that suspended that requirement for a signature.
Thank you for at least illuminating that fallacy.
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| wolfox don't so easily give in to claims here.
There are lawyerly games being played.
A subpoena may not require probable cause.
The fact remains that it is generally agreed that the dmca eased and expedited subpoena procedures in order to make it easier for copyright holders. In this wolfox is correct, though I'm sure rzaruba will play jesuitical games with his words for effect. | |
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I am sticking around for the burgers and beer. | |
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| Cry babies! Like I said before, "LET THE CRYING BEGIN". And it has in full force! IF they stopped "copyright infringement" (stealing to the smart people), then they would have nothing to cry about. Now let the fun begin, all comments form a line to the LEFT!!!
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clubs: | Re: Will this idiocy cease? And if the RIAA member labels would stop price fixing, extortion, and signing individuals who can't even speak clearly enough to rap much less sing then maybe we could buy music again. | |
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join:2002-09-20
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| Lock em up and throw away the KEY!!!
60 million future prison inductees are not to be spared, and god help them if they are Texans, to the chamber you go!!!
Make sure johnny and lil Sue, are in the front of the line, bankrupt their parents and send them to the poor house, that will teach them that might makes right!!! You copyright infringe, you go down!!!! oh yeaaaaaaah...
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Loganville, GA
| Screw All You Guys! I believe the RIAA is fighting a losing battle, sure they can sue thousands of people, but what do they get from sueing? NOTHING GOOD, especially when they go after crazy amounts of money, and on top of that you will end up with more enemy's. I say screw them, and screw you to the people that agree with them. You people are no better than them.
There is no excuse for the price fixing, and only giving cents of that to the artist. I would much rather download the music, and send the artist a check for 3-4 dollars. It will be more than they make from the sell.
Someone seriously needs to take the battle a step further, target the lawyers, target the people who are the RIAA. Private Companies are not going to run my life!
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| Re: Screw All You Guys! I've given artist money before.. I've never went as far as writing a check to a artist, but I would without a second thought. Just tell me where to mail it to =)
I gave the lead singer to Nickelback 5 bucks for his cd. Plus what ever he made from the concert. Which definatly adds up to a hell of alot more than what they make from the RIAA
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| Front page I think making the front page of CNN and the publicity is exactly what they are going for. If parent catch wind that they might be having to visit court because of the program their kid downloaded they might tell them not to use it. And the more publicity the more people will be scared to use it. In the end as stated at the bottom of the article technology will outdue the RIAAs efforts and they will play catchup for the next couple of years. Then the technology will get even better, etc., etc.
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| Re: Front page Seriously, since when did children start listening to their parents "don't do that". I doubt many parents like the fact that their 13 years old son/daughter is smoking, etc...
Also, children nowadays know more about technology then their parents. How are their parents going to stop them downloading? I know several people my age (20-30) that do not even know how to browse file directories. If I was to put 2 Gigs of Mp3s on their computers, they probably would never even notice or find it... | |
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join:2002-11-27
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| They have already successfully demonized the format itself. When someone asked me how I get pre-recorded material to the air, I tell them that I use a sound recorder and non-linear editor (amongst other tools)and then compress to MP3's.
"MP3's? Aren't those illegal?" is usually the next question out of their mouths.
Score one point for the RIAA and the ignorance of people...
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| Re: Front page Well yeah, that was my point. It's just not so easy to monitor what your kids are doing. I could because I have the knowledge to be able to do it, but I don't know many other parents around me that could do such a thing.
When I was younger, my father used to lock some things on the computer and setup utilities to monitor what I was doing on the computer (as well as my sister). Well, I figured with my friend a way to crack that thing so he couldn't tell what I was doing on the computer. Was I being malevolent? Not really, I just wanted to do as I please back then, like many other teenagers who don't like getting orders from their parents. There so much stuff I used to know about some other kids that their parents had absolutely no knowledge about. I went to a high school for "strong" students (in other words the *best* school according to government tests ratings) and I believe the parents that sent their kids there were all very attentive to their children.
It's hard enough to control what your teenagers are doing and to still have a healthy relationship with them. Monitoring everything that kids do on a computer seems a little harsh on the parents for me. Sure, you can educate them about the "wrongness" of mp3s, but when you tell them that they will have to wait until their next birthday (or a good test or anything else) until they can get the music from their favorite boys band (or rap band...), I bet you most of the kids will not stand to peer pressure and get the files from their friends at school.
I just think it's very wrong for the RIAA to ruin people's lives because their kid is an mp3 l33t kid. Of course the RIAA can't tell who's doing the downloading prior to suing, but that just shows how bad their approach to the problem is. How about cease and desist letters instead of pursuits? A parent that receives such a letter explaining the internet is cut off because of illegal activities might help more then the same parent getting sued... | |
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| Yep quote:
Their latest filing of over 900 subpoenas exists with one purpose in mind: scare the living hell out of enough file traders that popular culture virally adopts the mindset that the practice of downloading music illegally is simply too risky to be worth-while.
Worked on me. I don't trade anything now.
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| Re: Yep said by onsitede  :
Sadly in the end it's the artist that suffer. The RIAA's tactics are hurting the industry as a whole. Old distribution methods are outdated. I think a lot of people (me included) would pay for a good electronic distribution service, one that gave the range of files and freedom to use the music where you wanted. Consider it evoloution, those who do not evolve perish.
This is the my first post in reference to the topic of the RIAA. I have to say that I completely agree with what you posted onsitede.
The RIAA is generating so much negative publicity. I believe that they are completely missing the damage that will ensue over the fallout in regards to this issue of filing the subpoenas against these people. Regardless of whether they are in the right or not the damage is being done. And new industries will be born of this with them being left out in the cold.
Change needs to come and they are completely missing the boat. Look how much the Movie industry griped and moaned about the VCR and how it would be the down fall of movies in the theaters. Boy did they miss that one.
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ive been buying cd's for years while trading. Problem is, i dont buy any CD from a label that is in anyway affiliated with the RIAA (even through distribution.) fvck the riaa.
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| Absolution On Line It's immoral. It's theft. The artists are the ones who suffer, and the artists are the only party we care about in this enlightened public debate. If you download illegally (heck if you download period), you have sinned.
For your penance, go to Absolution On Line, a.k.a. AOL (Time Warner). Smoke what they smoke, do the download thing their way. When THEY download, artists don't get hurt. Not one bit. | |
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| ... And on the flipside. Okay, it's no secret that BBR is anti-RIAA. From the owner, to the editors, to the moderators, down to the members. Each has expressed his views, or turned a blind eye to illegal offerings. Even the file-sharing forum says "we don't want to hear about it" although posting *where* and *how* you can get warez and illegally copied songs is just fine. Maybe BBR is just anti-copyright in general. But I digress...
I'm not necessarily pro-RIAA as some trolls will say, but neither am I anti-copyright. There is a need for both.
Here's some news you won't see listed on the front page.
From Canada.com:
Free file-sharing services, where computer users pull songs off the Internet over the objections of the recording industry, will eventually be shut down, industry observers said yesterday, despite pioneer Napster's plans to relaunch this year.
"Nothing so frightens the hard working respectable citizens as the threat of a lawyer," says Raymond James analyst Phil Leigh. "[File-sharing services] are going to be hard to eradicate but the illegal file-sharing services have seen their glory days."
»www.canada.com/technology/story.···E6819D32
From nytimes.com:
But many file-swappers also expressed alarm. Jorge Gonzalez, the founder of Zeropaid, said some who posted discussion board messages planned to stop file-trading altogether. Many rushed to check a list, initially published on TechTV's Web site, of the KaZaA screen names cited in the subpoenas filed in the Federal District Court in Washington.
Several lawyers said the record industry probably had a good legal case. "It's pretty well settled that it is infringing copyright to share files without permission of the copyright holder," said Jonathan Zittrain, a director of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard Law School.
»www.nytimes.com/2003/07/28/techn···59969600
From sfgate.com:
As the recording industry tries in unprecedented fashion to enforce copyright laws against individual consumers, legal experts say people can take several steps to try to avoid costly litigation.
For starters, legal experts advise file-sharers to stop sharing any unauthorized files. That action could, though not necessarily, eliminate the need for more costly legal steps if a file-sharer learns he or she has been caught in the Recording Industry Association of America's copyright infringement dragnet.
Proponents of file-sharing argue that the act of making a song available for someone else to download for free is legal under fair use provisions of copyright law because it's like sharing a CD with a family member or friend so they can enjoy listening to a new song.
But copyright law expert Evan Cox, a partner at Covington & Burling in San Francisco, said the law gives copyright owners like the record labels the exclusive right to distribute their work, which makes it illegal to offer a song for distribution on a file-sharing network without authorization.
"So the first thing you should do if you want to be off (the RIAA's) radar is to stop uploading," said Fred von Lohmann, senior intellectual property attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
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tomertl
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| What if you share NON-copyrighted material? I am curious. What if I am sharing Live Phish, or other bands that allow the free trade of their live music? If the RIAA is just searching with automatic drones for any one with large share files, then how can they issue a subpoena for files that may not be infringing? or do they?
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| Good thing I use Kazaa Lite.. =) Yup I use kazaa lite no one from there is getting in trouble. Call it stealing I love to do it. =) I will never quit file sharing mp3 or other files.. »k-lite.tk everyone go download the new kazaa lite blocks the RIAA and other people from finding you =)... muahahahaha
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Cheyenne, WY | Re: Good thing I use Kazaa Lite.. =) RE: Yup I use kazaa lite no one from there is getting in trouble.
WRONG!!!! check out the list at TechTV screensavers there are kazaa lite handles there.
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| No theres not, the very last name om the list is a guy named K-liteuser@kazaa there are no kazaa lite users in trouble thanks. ass
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| Re: Good thing I use Kazaa Lite.. =) If you think that using kazaa lite makes you totally immune, you're nuts
I wouldn't be shocked if they aren't going after people on it yet so they can collect more names. If you're transmitting data to another computer, you don't know if its another trader, RIAA, one of their 'spies' or whatever.
The only true way not to get caught is to not do it-and thats the approach I'm taking. No song is worth legal BS, especially since the RIAA knows they have the money to back it up-there is no way I could afford a legal battle, and thats what they are counting on with every subpoena they file-settlements out of court. I may like and want music, but its not worth the trouble of losing my livlihood for it. I'll live without the music instead.
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| I think with Kazaa Lite being configured correctly (IE: Shut off being able to download full user lists), it is almost 85% safe.
On another note, how can they prove anything, it's just your word against theirs?
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A toothy grinned lawyer looks out of the TV into your eyes:
"Are you being sued by the RIAA? Want to fight back?
Call me I am Ernest R. Shyster JD at the law firm Shyster,
Shyster, and Shyster. 1-800=*1*-1234
music with angelic voices closing the ad....
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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| Re: Indulgences Available Well everybody now you are finding out how the RIAA has treated musician's for decades. Hell has no fury like a
record executive who thinks someone has cheated him out of a penny he has extorted and cheated out of someone else.
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| RIAA cant' win I agree that the RIAA may win a few battles. But not the war. How long has software piracy been around? Has the fight against pirating software cause any game or application not be be released since the Amiga days? I mean honestly, they are not going to stop this. However, I also don't think that the RIAA will be taken down either. While it would be very entertaining to see CD sales stop for a month with the message that the RIAA needs to stop what they're doing. I know that it won't happen. The RIAA will be around for a good long time. However file shareing, in some form or another will be right along with them. | |
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Houston, TX
| RIAA Notice that the labels always use the RIAA when they need to do something dirty. Notice how we're always taking about the RIAA.
This must make Sony and the other labels very happy. Even though they comprise the RIAA, the label names rarely end up with any mud on them. Its a perfect decoy.
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| Re: Bill Gates Im not going to buy another cd from anyone unless its used from now on. Not even ands that are supposedly under independent labels. maybe if the whole market and not just the big companies suffer alot there will be increasing pressure to make the riaa stop.
anyway, Im not sharing anything right now until this thing blows over a bit... still downloading though...
are they doing anything to the edonkey network? what about the Ares network? blubster? there are plenty of other networks where we can do what we want yet.
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ravital
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| Re: Bill Gates said by pantalaimon :
are they doing anything to the edonkey network? what about the Ares network? blubster? there are plenty of other networks where we can do what we want yet.
Sorry for repeating myself, but AOL users seem to have no reason to worry and claim they can download to their heart's content, the logic being that Time Warner is not going to sue their own customers. At the same time, if they did, they wouldn't even need a subpoena since they own all the data anyway.
That said, while it's unrealistic to expect that copyright infringement would ever stop altogether, I wish it were reduced a bit. The file-sharers have made their point. | |
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No Name5
You Only Regret What You Have Not Done.
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| RIAA vs. Artist. vs Consumer So who to me wins the RIAA the artist and consumer lose. Is there a way to get music from the artist to the consumer without the RIAA?? To me if an artist can not get music to the consumer without the RIAA or it is made very, very hard to do so then the RIAA has a monopoly. I did not think the United States or republicans or democrats liked a monopoly. I.E. breakup of ATT. But oh no save the RIAA.
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| Re: RIAA vs. Artist. vs Consumer »www.magnetbox.com/riaa/search.asp is a site that will tell you whether the album of an artist was released by the riaa. thus, allowing us to not help the riaa by buying their crap.
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Tulsa, OK | Re: RIAA vs. Artist. vs Consumer The enemy is BayTSP. They are the sellouts who are doing the RIAA's bidding. You need to block their IP's and their infrastructure needs to be targeted by those who are willing to strike back. | |
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| Re: RIAA vs. Artist. vs Consumer BayTSP is not the only enemy here doing the RIAA's bidding.
A few of the others are Ranger, OverPeer, MediaForce, and
MediaDefender. Though some of these concentrate more on
movie and software piracy, they at times do the RIAA's
dirty work. And let's not forget the sellout cable
internet providers *cough*Comcast*cough* and Congress
itself (mainly those getting money from the music, movie,
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Here is my ? I have 2 computers a laptop and a desktop
I use the laptop alot and hardly ever use the desktop
I also have cable and use the connection between the two moving the wire as needed
I have noticed when I hook up the desktop it gets an new Ip address usualy after being disconnected for a month or more in the last year I have had 3 different ip's for this machine the laptop has kept the same one.
could one of my old ip be used by someone to share music
or could one of my new ip have been used by someone to share music?
Im sure my isp comcast could tell who has what at what time but i'm not 100% sure
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join:2001-01-14
Irmo, SC
| I know this will be unpopular here... There are two problems as I see it.
1. If you own the CD, then go online to download some songs off that CD, then fine. If you don't own the CD, yet still download the song, then that's not OK and is in fact [bold]illegal.[\bold] Why is that so hard to comprehend? And why do some people continue to argue this fact?
2. The other problem here is that the RIAA is so obstinate, ignorant, and stubborn, that they have never offered any alternative to purchasing music other than the almighty $13-$16 CD that may have only 1 or 2 songs that you want to hear. While Apple's iTunes and similar sites are a good start, their library is limited. And why has it taken 6-7 years for such services to appear?
Both parties are at fault here. On the one hand, you have people who believe it's their right to be able to steal copyrighted material and justify their actions because of the evil RIAA. On the other hand, the RIAA is equally to blame because of their overpriced CD's and complete unwillingness to embrace digital media and offer the consumers a better alternative.
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kdroop
join:2001-08-26
Morgan City, LA
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| I ain't skeered
I have started with buymusic.com it seems interesting but really it is closer to a business model I'd liked to have seen someone adopt 3yrs ago but hey hindsight and all that
Real combat requires cash in this case and we haven't the tools to wage it.
money to buy politicians we ain't got. | |
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| November70
join:2003-07-29
Philippines
| Re: I ain't skeered said by kdroop :
Real combat requires cash in this case and we haven't the tools to wage it.
money to buy politicians we ain't got.
Finally! Someone's starting to realize that you do not fight an enemy on his ground, using his rules. You simply can't win.
Start thinking out of the box, go on the offensive, attack where they're weak. A boycott of their products? They've planned for that already. This needs something a little more direct...
I leave it to the more 'creative' members of this forum to take the next step. | |
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Cam
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join:2003-01-25
Luther, OK
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| Re: I ain't skeered said by November70 :
Start thinking out of the box, go on the offensive, attack where they're weak. A boycott of their products? They've planned for that already. This needs something a little more direct...
I'll go one step further, a boycott of their products only adds to their argument. They will just say "See what filesharing has done, people aren't buying CDs anymore."
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JRRR
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| Re: I ain't skeered How about we open up some shops RENTING CD's for about 1 buck a week so everyone can go copy them and return them for NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!!! How is that for file sharing!!!
Thats what I call PERSON TO PERSON !!!!!! LOL
LOL If I get busted and loose my Job because of them I will
open one just to piss them off! I will use my retirment or cash in my 401K and do it!!!!
Lets all do it!! Even set up a site online to RENT CD'S by mail !! I LOVE IT.
Please pass this idea on! This is the first time I have been here.
LATER
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| pantalaimon
join:2002-11-28
South Jordan, UT | attack on all fronts. boycott, and the more 'creative' things. Though I think that the RIAA is a little more protected from the more 'creative' things since last time someone defaced their page... | |
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| kdroop
join:2001-08-26
Morgan City, LA
·AT&T Southeast
| Defacement ain't sh*t i am talkin infrastructure damage and causing them to spend money unexpectedly real money.
On another note making people like the Mark Ishikawas of the world not want to take RIAA money due to the potential hassle of doing business with these individuals. | |
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Re: What if you share NON-copyrighted material?