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Suddenlink May Lose AMC, Don Draper
Yet Another Retransmission Fee Feud
by Karl Bode 10:41AM Monday Mar 12 2012
It has been a fairly ridiculous few years in terms of retransmission fee disputes, with customers facing content blackouts, endless bickering, and ultimately winding up with higher cable bills anyway. Suddenlink and AMC are the latest two companies to fight over the higher fees being demanded by channels, with Suddenlink customers being warned via tickers and a new website that they could lose access to AMC, IFC, Sundance and We TV. The channels will go dark on March 14 at midnight if a new deal isn't hashed out. Suddenlink's website insists that AMC is looking for a 50% increase over what the broadcaster was paid last year. After a significant hiatus, AMC's top show Mad Men returns March 25.

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AMC worst channel ever for commercials

Suddenlink should tell AMC to go stuff-it. AMC has to be one of the worst on cable TV. Once upon a time AMC provided decent movies without commercials. Now AMC has more commercials per hour than almost anything out there. They should be giving their channels away for free with all the money they are bringing in from ads. And 1 or 2 shows like Mad Men can't make up for the dreck they shovel out non-stop for the rest of their schedule.

They take 90 min movies and run them for 2 & 1/2 hrs with 60 mins of commercials. They have made the channel unwatchable unless you DVR the movie and skip the commercials.
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Re: AMC worst channel ever for commercials

I actually watch AMC for The Walking Dead, nothing else.

But once again this website is bringing retransmission/carriage fees to our attention without spelling out the hidden agenda. (*cough ala carte, IPTV-streaming)

The price for everything goes up in this world over time. Its a simple phenomena called inflation. These negotiations will be going on for a long time to come. That is, until all people turn off their TV's and start reading books.

Everyone on this site thinks theyre somehow entitled to all this content for free. I just dont get it.

Content doesnt grow on trees, and even if it did, youd have to pay someone to pick it, box it, deliver it, and sell it.

FFH
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Re: AMC worst channel ever for commercials

said by ITALIAN926:

Everyone on this site thinks theyre somehow entitled to all this content for free. I just dont get it.

You know that I don't buy in to the "all content should be free" philosophy. But I do subscribe to "getting value for money expended" philosophy. And AMC doesn't do that.

Unfortunately the ones deciding whether & how much you pay for AMC is left to the middleman(cable company) and if the cable company tells AMC to go pound sand, they get a small minority of customers(and if it was a sports channel several US Senators) foaming at the mouth. And if they give in to AMC and pay too much, they get a small minority of customers(and bloggers at BBR and elsewhere) foaming at the mouth. So the USUAL end result is the cable company eventually gives in and sticks it to ALL their customers. That is the system we are stuck with. And as long as all the content is bundled in to BASIC channel tiers, we will only have a choice of paying for all or for none.
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Re: AMC worst channel ever for commercials

I only found articles from last August and a couple of quarters after that, AMC Networks has been posting record profits each quarter. They aren't hurting.
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This is an area where I feel amending antitrust law would be beneficial.

If the delivery companies; cable MSOs, dishes, FIOS, uverse etc... were able to collude and negotiate together they would have the power to hold down price increases. The way it is now, the delivery company has no chance when standing up to the content company and is forced to give in to the price increase which just gets passed on to the consumer.

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Re: AMC worst channel ever for commercials

I dont know what AMC's carriage fees are. Lets say its .20 / subscriber , so now they want .30 , the way I look at it, big deal. Its a channel I watch. If a channel is NOT being watched with very low ratings, they cant ask for more money, can they? AMC is doing pretty good right now. They have something people want, so they have clout.

These price increases are passed onto the customer, its how it works in all kinds of business. Our biggest problem in this country is the price of oil and gasoline, NOT what our cable bill is. Each and every one of you can cancel your cable subscription, very few of you do.
Zoder

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Re: AMC worst channel ever for commercials

The problem is there is no basis for the price increases being asked for. The content companies have all of the leverage in these negotiations and that's why rate increases have far outstripped inflation for years in the expanded basic tier.

Most businesses don't have the ability to raise rates at whim like Hollywood.
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Re: AMC worst channel ever for commercials

said by Zoder:

The problem is there is no basis for the price increases being asked for. The content companies have all of the leverage in these negotiations and that's why rate increases have far outstripped inflation for years in the expanded basic tier.

Most businesses don't have the ability to raise rates at whim like Hollywood.

Don't worry the Hollywood spin teams will tell you they need to raise prices to combat piracy.. because they do not have the balls to join up system wide and combat the demands of stars for more millions.
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said by ITALIAN926:

But once again this website is bringing retransmission/carriage fees to our attention without spelling out the hidden agenda. (*cough ala carte, IPTV-streaming)

Everyone on this site thinks theyre somehow entitled to all this content for free. I just dont get it.

Content doesnt grow on trees, and even if it did, youd have to pay someone to pick it, box it, deliver it, and sell it.

Get your head out of your ass. First off commercials aren't free, cable isn't free. The way you think is why they keep hiking prices, "what ever the fools will pay" is what the content providers want. AMC can't exist and sell commercial time without cable companies, think AMC will transmit from towers??? No they won't, they exist only because of cable and they want more money from the cable companies. AMC could exist without getting a dime from cable companies, originally they didn't have commercials or very few (can't remember now) but now they are raking in the commercial money. It's just a double dip on their part not I want free stuff on my part.

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Re: AMC worst channel ever for commercials

Get YOUR head outve your ass. The commercials in last nights episode of Walking Dead did nothing for AMC, I fast forwarded through every single one. You believe advertising companies have not discovered a DVR yet? Have YOU?

These channels are there to make money. These things arent run for charity.
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Re: AMC worst channel ever for commercials

On the other hand "pay TV" was orig to be commercial free and thinking back (was a long time ago) they pretty much were. Now I watch Netflix most nights and DVR any TV shows I want to watch. All the commercials have me pissed off and now they are in the movie theaters too!

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Re: AMC worst channel ever for commercials

I'm old enough to remember the days when cable expanded and became common everywhere. A big part of the marketing was that pay tv freed you from the commercials of free OTA.
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The problem is that this isn't inflation, it's a healthy mixture of greed. A 50% increase over last year is a bit much.

Worse though, is that these networks create tying contracts for lesser performing channels in order to get channels in demand. While some argue this increases programming diversity, it doesn't. All it permits is a guaranteed outrageous profit margin of 40% or more, with little to fear from the free market should they get lazy.

It's time to give the consumer a bit more power with ways to vote with their wallet other than the drastic cable or no cable.

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said by FFH:

Suddenlink should tell AMC to go stuff-it. AMC has to be one of the worst on cable TV. Once upon a time AMC provided decent movies without commercials. Now AMC has more commercials per hour than almost anything out there. They should be giving their channels away for free with all the money they are bringing in from ads. And 1 or 2 shows like Mad Men can't make up for the dreck they shovel out non-stop for the rest of their schedule.

They take 90 min movies and run them for 2 & 1/2 hrs with 60 mins of commercials. They have made the channel unwatchable unless you DVR the movie and skip the commercials.

AMC channels are unwatchable. Their commercial breaks are ridiculously long and come often.
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Amen! I love the Walking Dead but the thought of sitting through SO many commercials is too much for me to handle. So I specifically subscribe to the show through iTunes.

I watch when I want, how I want and nothing to skip over. The way TV should be.

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Re: AMC worst channel ever for commercials

said by Mav :

Amen! I love the Walking Dead but the thought of sitting through SO many commercials is too much for me to handle. So I specifically subscribe to the show through iTunes.

I watch when I want, how I want and nothing to skip over. The way TV should be.

Sitting through commericals? This is 2012. Even back in the mid 80's I time shifted my Tv watching with VCRs which allowed me to skip over the commericals. For the last eleven years I've used a DVRs which makes it even easier.

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Re: AMC worst channel ever for commercials

Watching TV broadcasts? How... quaint.

True pros only watch AMC's shows on Blu-ray.

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Re: AMC worst channel ever for commercials

I watch on Comcast-on-demand. If its not there, I don't watch it. And if it has FF disabled, I don't watch it either. (only because I can't watch 10 minutes at a time over a week, I intentionally don't skip over commercials)
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said by 45612019:

Watching TV broadcasts? How... quaint.

True pros only watch AMC's shows on Blu-ray.

I only do that when I watch them for a second time. The first airing I watch from broadcast.

If I waited for the BD before watching, I would encounter too many spoilers in the time span between the original broadcast and the BD release.
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said by FFH:
Suddenlink should tell AMC to go stuff-it.
AMC should be required to give up its initials too.

They changed the name to AMC when they got rid of real classic movies. Now you need to watch TCM and FMC (when they aren't screwing it up with that stupid FXM nonsense) to get real classic movies.

The only thing AMC has, MadMen, and HAD, Rubicon (ROCKED! I can't help it others are not smart enough to keep up!). I gave AMC a special dispensation for Mad Men, but after Rubicon. Sorry I will purchase the DVD set when its on sale at the local megamart for $15 (Like this past year, got all but the last season on DVD for $15/whack! ) Would have probably watched Hell on Wheels, but the special dispensation was revoked. I might catch it via DVD on a deal, later. Much later.

Note: A movie classic is a sound movie made from the 1930's to the 1960's. So Casablanca is a classic, Rocky (and sequels) are NOT. The Thin Man series is a classic. The Andy Hardy (MIckey Rooney with Judy Garland) series is a classic. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, classic.

And serisously, we are going to remake The Stooges?! ! ! Really Are we that low in the barrel? ? ? I am not a Stooge fan, but you know what they are classic films! Not my thing, but classic none the less. Look a little deeper folks!

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The way I see it

Let the channels go dark. If enough cables companies don't pay then out of business those channels go, if that happens then channel providers will actually price their service to the market as opposed to pay us this because we say you should. I watch AMC on occasion but if they are gone I don't care. A la carte would solve all this but some how with set top boxes etc. the cable companies just can't seem to give the customers their own choice.
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Re: The way I see it

Don't fool yourself; neither the cable companies nor the programmers want a-la-carte. The cable companies don't want it because their overpriced bundles will go right out the window as people pick only the channels they actually want. And the programmers don't want it because, right now, they use their popular channels as leverage to get carriage for their duds. They can each point the finger at each other, but the truth is that they both like the current arrangement just fine.
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Re: The way I see it

it is available. It's that people refuse to adapt to it.

»skyvision.com/programming/index.html

and plenty more.
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Deal will happen

reason-Walking Dead finally is next Sunday. No way Suddenlink want to get bombarded with calls for not being able to provide their subs that last show. If you saw last night then you now all hell breaks loose next week. The kill Daryl next week and I'm going to cry.

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Re: Deal will happen

Im actually shocked they let both of those other guys go already ! You think Daryl is next? Gotta wonder if Rick is the only one with an AMC long-term contract.
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Re: Deal will happen

Hershel-100% he will go down like Custer
Token Black Guy-50/50- Tbone needs to get some lines or die in blaze of glory-
Blond kid on the farm- goner
Maggie's sister- goner

ITALIAN926

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Re: Deal will happen

Yea, I dont know who will go next week, but I have a theory on last nights ending. Those walkers in the distance arent walkers... I figure that posse of 30 men have to come into play, at some point this season.

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Just got finished over the weekend reading the comic series. Things are so "off the map" on the TV series from the comic series that you guys might be right. There are VAST differences between who lived and died already. But the last death was very similar to the comic with a slight twist. If you want to know what I mean go read the comics. I hated comics as a kid. Would have rather read books, but I honestly had a great time reading the walking dead comics.

On topic: I don't give a rats ass what Suddenlink and AMC do as long as CUSTOMERS are not involved with their spat.

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Those crybabies can suck it up and go buy it off the iTunes store. Or wait until the Blu-ray release.

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Fees

All these channels are competing with each other and with so many channels to choose from now, competition is fierce leading these channels to pay to develop all these exclusive shows like (walking dead) the real cost is the millions they are paying actors, actors and actresses hold out and threaten to walk out if they do not get paid more once they see that their show has a large following.

There are people who make millions of dollars per episode, think about two and a half men as one example, these exuberant salaries that get passed to the networks and than to us as consumers in the transmission fees.

It is a vicious cycle, something has to change this model cannot support itself forever.
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Re: Fees

said by dbeatson:

It is a vicious cycle, something has to change this model cannot support itself forever.

Why not?

Industry learned from iTunes and Netflix.

They have no reason to break ranks and go direct to the consumer.
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Re: Fees

and you see what is happening to NetFlix? And iTunes is not doing much to the industry. Amazon is the one that can really truly hurt the industry and they will do it.

The only thing they really need is to go become an IPTV provider and Amazon would achieve that with no problems.

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Suddenlink loses AMC

All 14 viewers suddenly discover good television on other channels.

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Re: Suddenlink loses AMC

Like 7 million people are watching The Walking Dead, thats nothing to sneeze at.
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Re: Suddenlink loses AMC

And maybe a few hundred on Suddenlink.

Personally, I think they should let it go dead and tell them to go pound sand.

AMC is barely worth even having on the system to begin with, let alone to pay even more for it. Let them figure out a way to make more money with a reduced subscriber base and potential eyeballs.

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AMC

I remember when AMC used to be commercial free and was Hollywood's Public Service for Classic Movies.
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Re: AMC

said by Kommie:
I remember when AMC used to be commercial free and was Hollywood's Public Service for Classic Movies.
Me too! We left for TCM! Probably have that TCM logo embedded in my eyeballs.

TCM has done more in the last few years for real cinema than AMC ever did. Love it! Tarzan Saturdays, Jungle Boy saturdays, The Essentials... they do falter a little during the whole oscar drivel. They show movies which don't fit into the classic mold, and in some cases regardless of their oscar nominations and/or win(s) are drivel, and not classics. Basically anything after the 60's,
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Suddenlnk needs to play hardball

And by hardball, I mean show the customers what AMC wants to charge. Show them that AMC charges this much for AMC and this much for IFC and this much for Sundance and then show their customers how much it will affect their monthly bills. That way, AMC will have to come back with either, "We have to charge you this much for the programming you want (along with showing you many more commercials)" and/or, "Your cable company has been gouging you, and us, for years. Don't you think they should give up something?"

I want an all out, drag out, war of words with both sides bloodied and the customers finally told the truth. That way, we can get ala carte pricing and show cable TV the real art of consumer power.
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Re: Suddenlnk needs to play hardball

I'm pretty sure there are nondisclosure agreements that would prevent this, but I am certainly all for a "leaked" version as there is nothing better then the "truth" being revealed.

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greed will end it all

i can live with out cable ill just get my local channels or just use my xbox 360 and use torrents
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Re: greed will end it all

will never end.
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WHO needs it!

AMC channel, what is that, oh yea one of the nearly 90% of the channels I am forced to pay for but never watch.

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Nuke 'em

Just once, I'd like to see a cable company say..."Go to hell!"
take the channels used by them and show 3 stooges movies 24-7

All this 'who pays who' has gotten totally blown out of hand.
Any Content provider who has commercials are self sufficient, and they should be paying the cable companies to show their content. Without the viewership, they have to lower their advertising rates or the clients that pay for that advertising will go elsewhere.
IOW, they go out of business. (as it should be)

This getting paid by both ends for nothing of any real value, is a non-viable business model in any sane real world.

OTOH, all things being equal, and for arguments sake, I would like to know the numbers involved. If they were getting 2 cents/sub, and now want 3 cents/sub, then that's not unreasonable. If they were getting 2 dollars/sub, and now want 3 dollars/sub, that can get totally unreasonable.
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I Wish

I could dump those channels and give them to folks that wish to pay for them.

Instead I must be punished and pay for channels (PRICE INCREASE)that I don' watch.

nathan

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blah blah blah

Everyone is talking about how greedy AMC is. Do you even know how much they get per subscriber? It has to be pennies, because the president of the company says be believes the channel is worth .75 cents a month and suddenlink says they want 50 percent more than they get.
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Let them go dark

Let them go dark

Watch how fast Americans flee with their wallets

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Cut Cable

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AMC will win