 | | READ maybe they wouldn't cut them if they were properly marked "FIBER OPTIC CABLE" | |
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 |  newviewEx .. Ex .. ExactlyPremium
join:2001-10-01
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kudos:1 | Re: READ said by tmc8080:maybe they wouldn't cut them if they were properly marked "FIBER OPTIC CABLE"
You're assuming these criminals can read. | |
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| Re: READ said by newview:said by tmc8080:maybe they wouldn't cut them if they were properly marked "FIBER OPTIC CABLE"
You're assuming these criminals can read. Or know what "FIBER OPTIC CABLE" is in the first place. | |
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| |  tobyTroy Mcclure
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| said by newview:said by tmc8080:maybe they wouldn't cut them if they were properly marked "FIBER OPTIC CABLE"
You're assuming these criminals can read. Maybe they were English and didn't know what 'fiber' was.  | |
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| | | | They can read, but when you are in withdrawl from meth you don't really care, all you want is the $20 it's going to take to get your next fix.
The war on drugs causes crime and situations like this are the result. | |
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| | |  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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Philly burbs
kudos:1 | Re: READ So, legalize meth I take it? It would probably cost more than it does on the street now...
Hey, I understand the whole legal pot thing, but meth really really REALLY fucks people up....
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| | | | | | Re: READ said by N3OGH:So, legalize meth I take it? It would probably cost more than it does on the street now...
Hey, I understand the whole legal pot thing, but meth really really REALLY fucks people up....
And meth is fucking up people now, illegal or not. I doubt that someone that isn't taking meth now is going to start doing it just because it's legal to obtain.
But instead, we criminalize it and don't get the people on it the help they really need. Just throw them in prison.
And keeping it criminalized keeps criminal gangs selling it. | |
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| | | They would still cut them. If they are crazy enough to try to steal pitiful amounts of copper from Suddenlink, they are not very bright. | |
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| Ulmo
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San Jose, CA | said by tmc8080:maybe they wouldn't cut them if they were properly marked "FIBER OPTIC CABLE" Maybe they wouldn't cut them if there were some cheap unrecyclable but conductive shock webs weaved around the fibers, so they'd get shocked every time, but when they went thru the trouble to cut it out, they wouldn't get any return. If the webs were identifiable, the recycling centers could identify them as stolen and call the police. The drugaddicts would then quickly decide all the trouble for nothing wasn't worth it.
If there's no pain, there's no instructing animals to leave. As long as animals can roam freely, they will. | |
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| |  DrDrewSo that others may surf.
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kudos:8 | Re: READ Apparently you've never seen the lengths thieves will go to steal. They'll just use insulated cutters, like they do when they steal power lines. | |
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| | | | | Re: READ Not all of them do. That is why several have been reported as being killed when stealing the power lines. | |
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kudos:8 | Re: READ Insulation can be overwelmed with enough voltage and stupidity... | |
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|  Anonymous_AnonymousPremium
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| said by tmc8080:maybe they wouldn't cut them if they were properly marked "FIBER OPTIC CABLE"
Does not contain copper
would work better
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| Stupid Stupid is as stupid does. Somebody is eventually going to take it themselves to shoot
the idiots doing this. Fiber optic is now the communications backbone of the country.
Imagine their parents of loved ones are in need of medical help and the person or persons responsible damaged the network.
Oops no cell services no phone no nothing.
It time to say no more legal recycling for the time!
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| Markie
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Kalispell, MT | Re: Stupid Yeah, because banning recycling is the answer. Ugh. Such a wasteful thought. No, the answer is drug treatment programs. | |
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| Re: Stupid said by Markie:Yeah, because banning recycling is the answer. Ugh. Such a wasteful thought. No, the answer is drug treatment programs.
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| CXM_Splicera more sensible viewPremium
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NYC
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| said by RWSI:Stupid is as stupid does. Somebody is eventually going to take it themselves to shoot
the idiots doing this. Fiber optic is now the communications backbone of the country.
Imagine their parents of loved ones are in need of medical help and the person or persons responsible damaged the network.
Oops no cell services no phone no nothing.
It time to say no more legal recycling for the time!
That is 'utility' talk, communications is not really looked at in that light anymore. If the government or a communications company wants to use the 'emergency card' to their advantage, I am sure they will but they are busy telling us communications is nothing but a 'desired service with many provider options' so they will not be regulated. Take hurricane Sandy for instance... there are STILL people who have no service from the storm almost 5 months later! How can anyone claim that service is part of an emergency network or communications backbone?? Verizon's answer? You can go to wireless or cable instead.
Before any excuses are used: 'emergency network', 'vital service', 'backbone of the country'... it needs to be treated as such through regulation. Strict requirements for Minimum Time to Repair, service quality, availability to access, etc. spread across all companies that choose to enter or remain in that capacity. Stop all recycling because someone cut some fiber cables? That was a joke, right? Even Limbaugh wouldn't say something like that. | |
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| Re: Stupid as far as a wired network, I've said for years that the day would come when companies would start moving their efforts to a wireless network instead. It's cheaper for them in terms of operating and rebuilding in cases such as hurricanes. It's easier to rebuild a 200foot+ tower than it is to rebuild a CO or run all new cable into a city. | |
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Re: Stupid said by TBusiness:It's easier to rebuild a 200foot+ tower than it is to rebuild a CO or run all new cable into a city. ..unless the backbone is screwed, too. You can build a tower, but it's useless unless it's connected.
It's like having a wireless AP with nothing connected to it. | |
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join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC | Tough If someone is stealing copper grounds and gets fried it serves them right. There is a chance they could kill someone on medical equipment that needs there AC pwr to stay on. It also messes up people making a living on the internet and the loss of frozen food if the power is off for an extended time.
To me it saves money on the trial and what it costs to put them in jail for several years. | |
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|  rcdaileyDragoonflyPremium
join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA
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| Re: Tough Some months back, a thief climbed over the fence into an Edison substation in San Bernardino and tried to take copper from a large transformer. It was reported that he was hit with 30,000 volts. Needless to say, he was fried, but power was cut off to a good part of neighborhood (commercial and residential) until repairs could be made. How stupid was this guy?
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|  NickDPremium
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Princeton Junction, NJ | I once had a 6 hour power outage due to a bozo stealing copper. Unfortunately he lived | |
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| | We need harsher penalties First let's make sure that it is a felony to steal or attempt to steal copper from a infrastructure (provided the a$$wipes survive it). If its a telco infrastructure make it a Federal offense for disrupting interstate commerce. Lastly, I really don't give a rats a$$ why they're stealing or trying to steal copper and especially if they are some crackhead or meth freak. I'm tired of seeing traffic lights street lights go dark homes and businesses being stripped out of their copper pipes and wiring by these useless cretins. Put them in that Arizona style jail and have them rue the day they thought that they could make a quick 4.00/lb for the copper! | |
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| | | Re: We need harsher penalties That's the answer. More laws. Making it a felony will stop it just like felonies stop murder and drug abuse.
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| | | | Re: We need harsher penalties said by battleop:That's the answer. More laws. Making it a felony will stop it just like felonies stop murder and drug abuse.
Felonies will never stop anything until we have HEAVY MANDATORIES! Kill someone, instant death or life in prison no parole. Get caught will any drug, 30 years in prison. Rape someone, instant castration or life in prison, NO PAROLE! If our judges keep giving 3 years for murder, probation for rape, fine for drugs then of course nothing is ever going to change. Now you're always going to have crazies and aholes but they were going to offend anyway. Heavy mandatories would stop many others from obtaining the same fate.
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| | | | | Re: We need harsher penalties "Get caught will any drug, 30 years in prison"
Great plan there. Let's make sure that we load the prison system up with 30 year sentences for anyone found with a joint.
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| | | | | | Re: We need harsher penalties said by battleop:"Get caught will any drug, 30 years in prison"
Great plan there. Let's make sure that we load the prison system up with 30 year sentences for anyone found with a joint.
I'm not saying first strike for drugs or small issues. Three strikes with like a week in jail for first offense, 6 months for second and a 10 years for third. Then anything above that is a instant 30 years per offense. I'm telling you this WOULD discourage (not stop as nothing will stop some people) many people from doing drugs or pretty much any crimes.
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| | | | | | | Re: We need harsher penalties The current system is a complete failure. No one wants to see an end to the war on drugs. No one really has an interest in seeing us win the war on drugs because it's too big of a cash cow for Fed, State, and Local government.
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| | | | | | We've already done that and letting the real criminals walk free. The Banks, Mortgage companies the medical insurance and too many members of Congress just to name a few.
Possess a joint go to jail, steal a pension, get a backslap fopr making obscene profits. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: We need harsher penalties said by Twaddle :We've already done that and letting the real criminals walk free. The Banks, Mortgage companies the medical insurance and too many members of Congress just to name a few.
Possess a joint go to jail, steal a pension, get a backslap for making obscene profits.
Exactly! I wish more people got that! I'd add to that Bush and Cheney, they are probably more crooked than Nixon, yet they roam around free, as if they did nothing wrong, and even get rewarded for their actions. We really have a warped sense of justice in today's country.
Speaking of that, it reminds me of these lines in 'White Lines' by Grandmaster Flash, they ring more true today than ever!
"A street kid gets arrested, gonna do some time
He got out three years from now just to commit more crime
A businessman is caught with 24 kilos
He’s out on bail and out of jail
And that’s the way it goes
Raah!" | |
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| | | | Not a new law but a revised law. A felony carries a better chance of punishment. Making this copper theft a truly serious offense will at least do "something" rather than wringing our collective hands and doing squat.
I'm tired of seeing these criminals get off with little more than a slap on the wrist. If you make the punishment much stiffer and much harsher people might think twice about it although some people will never learn.
On a more hopeful note, they caught one of these cretins using a new technology in Vallejo, CA. Hope this technology catches on and we can end this discussion. Bastard was stealing copper and driving around in a Cadillac Escalade. Guess the copper theft business is more rewarding than ever. | |
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| | | While it might not be a felony, it's still illegal
On the other hand, Soviet Russia might shot you on site for attempting this! LOL | |
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| | | Arizona style jail??? are you talking about Sheriff Joe's jail? LMAO! he has nothing special and actually is at the center of several lawsuits and investigations by the DOJ. | |
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kudos:1 | Sherriff Joe is a senseless Redneck, no thanks. As to making it a felony, I'd agree. Tampering with railroad equipment is a federal offense, and copper thieves have been hitting them a lot, as well as thieves of scrap steel, metals, etc. even trying to steal whole rails and copper out of signal boxes, etc. Most railroad communications now is done over fiber optic (they were some of the early pioneers of Fiber Optics, among other things), but there is plenty of older (but still in use) and unused copper still out there. However, whether it's used or not used, it's still on RAILROAD property, it's THEIRS, so leave it alone  | |
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USA | Re: We need harsher penalties Sheriff Joe is a senseless redneck. Okay RR, since you appear to be a leftist unionista that thinks criminals have rights, what say we have Joe release his little band of inmates right in your neighborhood. You can have you local law enforcement clearly show how their brand of detention/rehabilitation/whatever-they-call-it-in your-town is better than Arpaio's. Come on little man, put your money where your mouth is.
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kudos:1 | Re: We need harsher penalties said by bigunk:Sheriff Joe is a senseless redneck. Okay RR, since you appear to be a leftist unionista that thinks criminals have rights, what say we have Joe release his little band of inmates right in your neighborhood. You can have you local law enforcement clearly show how their brand of detention/rehabilitation/whatever-they-call-it-in your-town is better than Arpaio's. Come on little man, put your money where your mouth is.
Have we met? I don't think so, but you sure seem to know people you don't know, wow, I am impressed, Golly gee whiz! Maybe you should take your act on the road, you could be like Carnac the Magnificent, only less talented and a lot less funny. | |
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| | | | bigunkGort, Klattu Birada Nikto
join:2001-02-10
USA | Re: We need harsher penalties Still waiting for your honest reply. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | last I checked breaking into a place like a service shed and stealing things was a felony. or is a B&E with a side of theft only a misdemeanor?
Or even if someone does steal copper, by the time they get enough to consider the crime worth doing odds are they have made it far enough to be grand theft due to the value of the copper.
We already have laws that can be used here, They just need to be enforced and to enforce them we need to shut down the shady scrap yards that look the other way when someone rolls in with a pickup full of wire that has clearly had the insulation burned off.
In simple terms as long as shady scrap yards exist that look the other way, We will always have copper theft. | |
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| | | yes lock up the non violent copper thieves and give them 10+ years while you can rob 7-11 shoot the clerk in the leg and get less time. | |
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| | | | Re: We need harsher penalties said by Joe12345678:yes lock up the non violent copper thieves and give them 10+ years while you can rob 7-11 shoot the clerk in the leg and get less time.
I say we release all of folks who are in prison for check fraud and tax evasion then give the copper thieves 10+ years and give the thug who shot the clerk in the leg life. | |
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| | | | | Re: We need harsher penalties said by ArtisticArty :said by Joe12345678:yes lock up the non violent copper thieves and give them 10+ years while you can rob 7-11 shoot the clerk in the leg and get less time.
I say we release all of folks who are in prison for check fraud and tax evasion then give the copper thieves 10+ years and give the thug who shot the clerk in the leg life. I agree up to a point. Check fraud and tax evasion are thing you learn from and you shouldn't be in jail for them long (maybe 1 year max, longer for multiple offenses). Shootings should be mandatory 50+ years and really any gun crime should. That would allow the owners of guns to still own guns and severely punish those who abuse them. Just like someone said above, no pain, no gain (or no learning, lol). Some people really are like dogs and deserve to be treated as such.
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1 edit | Hell, if you want copper... come to NY. Verizon has millions of pounds of 'abandoned' copper plant strung up all over the place. They will even look the other way if there are still subscribers on it; you will be doing them a favor by forcing those customers to FIOS. Like Karl says though, don't get electrocuted! | |
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| | d Wow, that could have easily became a security risk. Why isn't that crap tightly monitored? | |
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|  beachintechThere's sand in my tool bagPremium
join:2008-01-06
kudos:5 | Re: d said by pop :Wow, that could have easily became a security risk. Why isn't that crap tightly monitored?
Because they can'y employ 500,000 people to guard every vault in their network. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | it is monitored, they know when a fiber fails and go fix it. Even if the doors to a vault are alarmed they still need to respond or send local PD.
The security risk is network damage and nothing else, Unlike hollywood someone is not going to sneak into a fiber vault and splice in devices to monitor it.
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1 edit | Don't bother with the thieves, they're too stupid Go after the recyclers with stings. Make it a $10M fine to recycle copper without evidence of origin so that it ends their business if caught. I get brass EDM wire recycled locally and I have to present my original packing lists showing the original procurement of the wire when it was new. Cut off the supply of cash and the thieves will stop swiping copper. | |
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| | Payback maybe? I have a feeling this is how people will pay back isps due to the copyright plan they have going on. | |
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| bigunkGort, Klattu Birada Nikto
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USA | Re: Payback maybe? Not sure, but what I see here is meth addiction leads to better internet. Sound about right? | |
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