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Miami, FL | Needs I guess it depends on your needs. | |
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3004 | Re: Needs My grandparents live there.... hrmmm! | |
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join:2002-09-03
San Antonio, TX | Re: Needs Hmmm, one of my grandmothers lives there as well as some
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: Needs said by wifi4milez  :I would pay that in a minute. Right now my bill from Time Warner is $130 per month, and that only includes basic cable plus HBO and my 4m/384k internet connection. If I could switch to Optimum Online I would simply because they are much cheaper than TWC. TWCNYC is the most overpriced and crappiest service I have ever seen, I agree. TV picture quality is shitty, channel packaging is really confusing and shady, cable upspeed is pathetic (usually less than 512), customer service simply lied about a promotion.
I'm a former Voom sub - after I tried TWCNYC, I disconnected and went for Dish. Dish is also arrogant to some extent but at least cheaper and has better PQ and channel lineup. Unlike TWCNYC they don't offer free (rented) HDDVR but TWCNYC's HD lineup is really pathetic inferior quality compared to Dish anyway. | |
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jarablue
Always be true to yourself
join:2001-06-11
Worcester, MA | Symmetrical Does that mean 20meg up as well? Wow. | |
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imtim83
You All Deserve The Economic Meltdown
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join:2001-06-03
Kenner, LA
| Re: Symmetrical said by jarablue :Does that mean 20meg up as well? Wow. Yes.
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join:2001-12-09
South San Francisco, CA | Re: Symmetrical My uncle has the 10mbit tier. What they don't tell you is that there is a 30gb cap. | |
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Anti_Cyrix
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join:2003-03-06
Sacramento, CA
| Re: Symmetrical said by jstack :My uncle has the 10mbit tier. What they don't tell you is that there is a 30gb cap. I currently have their 10 mbit tier. The cap is 40 gigs, and if they didn't up the cap (or remove it) there is no point in upgrading to 20 mbit.
Does anyone know anything about current caps? Or do I have to call them? | |
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Anti_Cyrix
Premium
join:2003-03-06
Sacramento, CA
| Re: Symmetrical Ok, I just called tech support.
The 20mbit tier has a 40 gig cap also. The cap is unidirectional, calculated by upload OR download, not both. "Power users" have a 75 gig cap. As I understood, power user 20mbit tier is $100 a month.
Also for regular users, if you go over the 40 gigs the first time, you get a warning. Second time you are charged $2 for every gig after the 40Gig mark. | |
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Real Gamers Dont Use Consoles
join:2004-12-02
Lowell, MA | hmm, id rather have capped speeds than that... | |
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join:2001-10-30
Antelope, CA
| There are two Surewests There are two kinds of Surewest: Good Surewest and Old Surewest.
Good Surewest is the areas of Sacramento and Elk Grove that have this fiber system. Insanely fast Internet and pretty good cable TV also.
Old Surewest is the parts of Roseville, Citrus Heights, etc. that have had Surewest/Roseville Telephone as their phone company for decades. We don't get any of that stuff. What we get is overpriced telephone service and expensive DSL service. We'll never get any of the Good Surewest stuff because, after all, why would they? We're already a captive customer base for them. Not too much competition.
Now, I do have to give Old Surewest some credit for recently upgrading their DSL speeds from 1000/128 to 3000/768 for the same price. It finally makes their DSL service a "decent" value, but when they're charging $49.95 a month for DSL and neighboring SBC (which we can't get) is charging only $14.95, it's more than a little irritating.
Oh well... | |
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join:2001-08-07
Sacramento, CA
1 edit | Re: There are two Surewests The "Good" surewest you speak of is actually WinFirst, which SureWest bought out a few years back. The "Old" SureWest is probably the same SureWest just prior to the Winfirst buyout, which means no fiber, plain DSL and phone services, etc etc blah blah blah. | |
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| Re: There are two Surewests Yes but the "good" Surewest has changed ALOT of things from what Winfirst did, they changed the infrastructure dramatically, the TV was originally over coax and not fiber but is now on fiber, they have changed hardware around and basically the whole network. I wish they still had the coverage map on the website, the coverage area is huge right now, even offering service in areas people don't know about. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| A better way of looking at it is..
Roseville Telephone / WinFirst.
Surewest, a.k.a. Roseville Telco simply bought bankrupt WinFirst and took over the build.
But people, before you all get happy about the 20/20, one thing the paragraph above forgot the mention was, oh my, those damn CAPS! SOLID AND SET CAPS! Andy why caps? Because Fiber deployment compares with cable in the sense that it's share bandwidth. Granted, much faster.
I rbing this up as a good point because people bash cable tv on the fact that it's a shared environment.. also I have heard over and over the arguments about when Comcast and others speed up it means just getting to the caps faster... well? Here you go! | |
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AlphaOne
I see
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join:2004-02-21
| Awesome .. if it's available We can't get it though. Our neighborhood is fairly new, about 6 years but can't get it as Surewest is not available.
Unfortunately, only the new developments are lucky enough to have fiber installed.
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join:2003-04-13
Rocklin, CA
1 edit |  Re: Awesome .. if it's available
The mrs works in management at Surewest so you'd think she'd have a good idea, but it's almost as if the company itself doesn't know what it wants to do. Part of the problem boils down to Surewest hasn't been so profitable as in the past and they haven't been spending as much $$$ to increase the reach of their fiber network. So they're being picky about who's getting the upgrades. Simple as that.
As a side note, Surewest has the capacity to do 100/100 both ways. Right now. Guess why they aren't doing it? Because really nobody else in North America is already doing it. They'll keep adding faster speeds just to stay slightly ahead of their competitors (mainly SBC, Comcast, and Starstream in the Sacramento market). | |
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join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | Hey, what do you expect. Sacramento area is not what you call the high tech center. | |
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join:2005-03-12
Modesto, CA | Re: Awesome .. if it's available I guess you don't know much about the Sacramento area. | |
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Stays Crunchy In Milk
join:2003-06-07
Deming, NM | An incredibly moronic statement - perhaps you should do some basic research prior to climbing out from under your rock.
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join:2004-07-05
Sahuarita, AZ | mmmmm i just got a upgrade from cox but i want that  | |
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join:2004-07-23
Las Vegas, NV
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| Re: Caps? said by TheSaint :So you can have a sports car that can drive 200mph, but can only be used for short trips to the store? (Whoops, we're out of fuel on our network, please wait until next month for your ration). Crazy. So, the last song I downloaded from MSN Music was "Remember When" -- 5 meg.
That means they snivel when I download around 8000 of those. I got that right?
I can live with that sort of limitation....
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| fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| said by TheSaint :30gb cap isn't that much for someone who does a lot web browsing, gaming and some downloading/voip. Well well well.. now doesn't fiber start to rear it's ugly little head! And actually 40gb is fine for the use that you stated.. (also, it's 40, not 30). AND, they are straight forward about your throughput on the advertisement screen of the site.
Fiber has caps, yup! just like cable... Wanna know why? Becuase fiber, like cable, is a shared pipeline in the neighborhood. If they didn't place caps, then there would be hogs on the pipes as there can and are with cable.
But I find if funny your lists of activities.. a lot of web browsing (doesn't take much and is considered "average use"), gaming (again, doesn't take alot of bandwidth) and SOME downloading (which CAN take alot of BW) oh and VoIP, (again, uses 90kbps or about of bandwidth..
Busy servers, for one, hog bandwidth - but nothing you mentioned is considered a high use anyway.
For the record, Surewest doens't throttle down users anyway, they simply charge for extra use - and to this day, those caps are VERY LOOSLY enforced at best and rarely ever charged. But the point is that they do exist in case the really need them.
The price is very good considering the speeds, but the caps would be enough to drive a lot of power users away.  | |
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jap
Premium
join:2003-08-10
038xx | Re: Caps? i read your post thinking you'd tell us what the per GB overage charges are. do you know? | |
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Premium
join:2002-08-17
Saint Louis, MO | Re: Caps? $2 is what I hear
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join:2002-01-02
1 edit | said by TheSaint :Fiber has caps, yup! just like cable... Wanna know why? Becuase fiber, like cable, is a shared pipeline in the neighborhood. If they didn't place caps, then there would be hogs on the pipes as there can and are with cable. Pretty much BS.. cable internet is limited bandwidth due its medium (coax). Fiber on the otherside can have so much bandwidth.. You can do 10Gbps ethernet on a single fiber pair for cheap really.. The real reason is cause surewest doesn't really have competitors in the area and they are greedy.. look at their DSL service.. 3000/768 for $49 compared to SBC's $14.95!
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: Caps? Pretty much BS? No, not pretty much BS.
The real reason Surewest doesn't open the pipes is not lack of competition. That's absurd. Please don't tell me you are one of those people that think that what makes fiber so great is the fact it's fiber.. It takes more than just fiber to run a network. There is the head end and processing equipment, the staff that runs and maintains it... and once it gets to Surewest head end, then what? Think it's still free and wide open? Give me a break. Surewest isn't a backbone provider so they have to purchase badnwidth to sell to their customers.
Please, when you post such nonsence and half baked reply to a valid post, at least make sure you keep in mind the WHOLE infrustructure and not just the part you care about.
COST is what drives policy too you know.
Surewest and other fiber providers have bills to pay too and some of those billes are based on their useage. You are just a user on their network.. the overall use by the customers is one part of what dictates the cost to deliver the service and what restrictions is places upon the customers.
You also shouldn't compare an industry giants DSL prices to that of a small local ILEC because Surewest can't afford to take the hit that SBC can. That's a no brainer. But with your own example, Surewest DSL is $49 compared to Comcast's 4000/386 for $42 so what's your point? | |
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JoeyDee
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join:2004-07-23
Las Vegas, NV | 14.95 doesn't get you 3000/768... unfortunately :-( | |
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@rr.com | LoL Caps are gay. I want my fios please finish up Huntington Beach up a bit faster Verizon. | |
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| fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20 |  Re: LoL
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Caps are gay. Really? Caps are attracted to caps of the same sex? I don't get it. | |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | it can be done... ...the big boys just don't want to do it.
10M/10M for $50/mo is almost enough to make me move out there. | |
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join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON
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| Re: it can be done... said by nasadude :...the big boys just don't want to do it. 10M/10M for $50/mo is almost enough to make me move out there. 10M/10M with a 40GB cap is not worth anything. what good is that bandwidth if you could use it in 9 hours? they can give you a gigabit for all i care, all it allows you to do is hit the cap faster. now if they either had no cap or a realistic cap i might be intrested.
my cable isp offers 60gb on their 3mbit/384kbit package which i think is reasonable. they also offer 60gb on the 5mbit package which is weak, but the absolute worse is the morons have it on their 256kbit package too.
if you want to visit morons r us, i.e. rogers, check out www.rogers.com. | |
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bent
not broken
Premium
join:2004-10-04
Loveland, CO
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| Re: it can be done... said by Anti-Cyrix:
Also for regular users, if you go over the 40 gigs the first time, you get a warning. Second time you are charged $2 for every gig after the 40Gig mark.
Sounds prety reasonable to me. Atleast they don't throttle or kill you alltogether if you go over, they just charge you alittle more.
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join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | I lived down the road from Surewest And couldnt even get their DSL or Symmetrical Fiber. Worse yet, they limit how much you can download a month with their fiber.
SureWest Fiber is all hype. | |
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join:2001-12-14
Garland, TX | 40GB cap | |
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
Premium
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
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| Only fast if u can get it... I live in one of the areas that it's offered in yet I can't get it..
I can SEE the fiber line on the pole right outside my window, yet they REFUSE to set up service.. (says it's not available here.. yeah right.. I WATCHED them install the fiber trunk lines..)
too bad too.. 20Mbps symmetrical @ $90.00/mo is screamin..
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ReVeLaTeD
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join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA | If Cox ever offers something like this... I'd be set. I already have their TV, internet, and phone. To think I could take advantage of symmetrical speeds...oh, the glory. And my VPN *might* just function a lot better too. | |
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