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 |  RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:3 | Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid said by r81984:All they did with this new law is protect criminals. Now when they need to trace an IP for a real crime, the ISP will say sorry we do not have that info since you forced us to deleted all ip info so we did not have to get involved with the filesharing issues. I suspect Sweden knew exactly what they were doing when they passed this law. It pleases both sides. | |
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| | | | Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid it's not like they can provide a logfile with only criminals in it.
I don't think the government of any country has a right to monitor 'web surfing' | |
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|  LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | said by r81984:All they did with this new law is protect criminals. Now when they need to trace an IP for a real crime, the ISP will say sorry we do not have that info since you forced us to deleted all ip info so we did not have to get involved with the filesharing issues. Don't worry. The law coming next requiring ISPs to save data for 6 months will solve that problem. And the ISP CEO making a big noise about destroying IP data says he will comply with the retention law.
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Swedish Law makers are in fact currently working on new legislation based on the European Union's data retention directive, which requires ISPs to store electronic data for a minimum of six months.
If the legislation is enacted, Karlung said Bahnhof would continue to stay within the bounds of the law.
"If the state decides that everything has to be handed over to various private organisations, then we will of course comply
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| |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:6 | Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid said by Linklist:Don't worry. The law coming next requiring ISPs to save data for 6 months will solve that problem. And the ISP CEO making a big noise about destroying IP data says he will comply with the retention law. quote:
"If the state decides that everything has to be handed over to various private organisations, then we will of course comply
Duh. What did you expect him to say? Right and wrong goes out the window at the point of a gun.
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| | Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | said by Linklist:[Don't worry. The law coming next requiring ISPs to save data for 6 months will solve that problem. And the ISP CEO making a big noise about destroying IP data says he will comply with the retention law. quote:
Swedish Law makers are in fact currently working on new legislation based on the European Union's data retention directive, which requires ISPs to store electronic data for a minimum of six months.
If the legislation is enacted, Karlung said Bahnhof would continue to stay within the bounds of the law.
"If the state decides that everything has to be handed over to various private organisations, then we will of course comply
TK Junk Mail, you of all people should be against such regulations and unfunded mandates. | |
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|  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | said by r81984:All they did with this new law is protect criminals. Now when they need to trace an IP for a real crime, the ISP will say sorry we do not have that info since you forced us to deleted all ip info so we did not have to get involved with the filesharing issues. Right. Because being able to associate an IP address with an individual has been proven bulletproof in their identification of the real criminals. It's also done wonders to stop child pornography. And 411 scams. And counterfeit drugs. And ponzi schemes. And identity theft. And all of the hundreds of other illegal activities done online.
And just to remove all doubt, yes, that was sarcasm in my post above. | |
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| | | Criminals? yea right. Copying virtual data is so harmless the word criminal is just a joke. By the way, im a software developer. I support piracy because i support freedom of speech. | |
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| |  r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
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| Re: Sweden's Gov is Stupid said by Underplay:Criminals? yea right. Copying virtual data is so harmless the word criminal is just a joke. By the way, im a software developer. I support piracy because i support freedom of speech. I guess you did not read what I wrote.
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djweis
join:2006-04-02
West Des Moines, IA | Other network abuse? That's great as long as you don't have any wannabe computer crackers on there or infected machines spewing spam. They might want to rethink how they are handling this. | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Other network abuse? said by djweis:That's great as long as you don't have any wannabe computer crackers on there or infected machines spewing spam. They might want to rethink how they are handling this. Accessory to child pornography distribution, your going away for a long long time in maximum security prison you pedophile. | |
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CSU
join:2002-10-21
Lagrange, GA | ? If you take something from criminals (RIAA), are you really committing a crime? | |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Data retention laws are expensive and could hurt privacy Governments and individuals tend to use and abuse data collected, even when they aren't supposed to. I don't want to have some schmo looking through my ISP records to embarrass me in some message board argument. If I did anything embarrassing, of course 
Someone has to pay for the data retention, and it's either going to be the consumer through higher fees, or the taxpayer who subsidizes it. | |
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| | Do they really need to destroy the information? Do they really need to destroy the data? Couldn't they just disable the logs that keep track of that data? Thereby never leaving anything to destroy in the first place? | |
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 exocet_cmI am the law - Judge DreddPremium
join:2003-03-23
New Orleans, LA
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1 edit | Found the saboteur! At least we know where they put their customer's information. One look in the garbage can and the whole plan is going to be foiled! | |
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 El QuintronResident Mouth BreatherPremium
join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON
kudos:2 | Swedish ISPs have it right At least Sweden's ISP are acting in the benefit of their clients.
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| | Good choice Good thing I ordered Bahnhof instead of Wasadata.
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | If I viewed it as a cost ... Why should I jack up my manpower and equipment costs keeping detailed logs for an industry that attacks my customers and for which services I will not be paid for?
If I was in that position, and like a well run business, wanted to limit my costs, I wouldn't destroy anything.
I'd just never log most of it in the first place.
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| | just because.. even at 100mbits all you can eat.. the Swedish isp's STILL make a profit! | |
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| | piracy and filesharing The filthy rich are so powerful they can now enforce laws to protect their 'properties' on a global scale! They now have power to stop people all over the world from sharing with their friends what was legally bought in the first place! Its like saying "why did you share your mango with all these other people?" Its forcing by law everybody to buy a mango from the stalls and not share with others! It is a new global law saying: " Do not plant a mango seed from the mango you bought from the stall!" Now every time you need a mango you must buy from the first person to claim a patent over a particular type of mango!? The world is going bananas! | |
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|  jubangyPremium
join:2005-03-26
Corry, PA | Re: piracy and filesharing Pretty neat, we try and teach our children to share and then when we get older we get sued for it...how screwed is that! | |
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