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Lexington, KY
| I wonder... Most people who have those symptoms (sharp headaches and difficulty breathing, blurry vision) usually are having one H*** of a hangover. Been there, done that.
Blaming it on Wimax is just so lame. And the arrhythmia, well, that comes from way too much COFFEE, while trying to get seriously undrunk.
I told you Starbucks was bad for you.... | |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
1 edit | Re: I wonder... Right, and quadriplegia is solved by simply getting up out of the chair. 
Seriously though, this wouldn't be hard to test. If you're in the area and you have symptoms which disappear when you're out of the area, it is hardly caused by having some Irish Coffee in the 'morn. | |
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| Re: I wonder... said by tsu9  :Seriously though, this wouldn't be hard to test. If you're in the area and you have symptoms which disappear when you're out of the area, it is hardly caused by having some Irish Coffee in the 'morn. True, not coffee in the 'morn under those conditions, but a decrease in symptoms outside of the area also isn't irrefutable proof that it's Wimax. There are potentially many other environmental factors such symptoms could be attributed to. Better to stay in the area and turn the transmitter off to confirm Wimax as the cause.
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| | | Porkroller
join:2002-01-31
Grosse Ile, MI | Ever heard of the placebo effect?
Now I'm not going to say one way or another, but it is certainly possible that they are just blaming their conditions on the unknown.
Sugar cubes have been known to "cure" all sorts of ailments. | |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | Re: I wonder... Of course, nevermind the possibility of an actual problem. If it doesn't affect you, it is probably in the other's head. | |
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join:2005-11-19
Covington, LA
| What about this?
Dr. David Carpenter, Dean at the School of Public Health, State University of New York believes it is likely that up to 30% of all childhood cancers come from exposure to EMFs. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) warns "There is reason for concern" and advises prudent avoidance".
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| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by treetop1000 :Most people who have those symptoms (sharp headaches and difficulty breathing, blurry vision) usually are having one H*** of a hangover. Been there, done that. Blaming it on Wimax is just so lame. And the arrhythmia, well, that comes from way too much COFFEE, while trying to get seriously undrunk. I told you Starbucks was bad for you.... Blame ur poor productivity and hang over on the new wireless base station. I gotta try it sometime. Im wondering how the cellphone in their pocket and ubiquitous GSM coverage from multiple providers doesnt cause it, but wimax does. | |
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| Re: I wonder... said by patcat88 :said by treetop1000 :Most people who have those symptoms (sharp headaches and difficulty breathing, blurry vision) usually are having one H*** of a hangover. Been there, done that. Blaming it on Wimax is just so lame. And the arrhythmia, well, that comes from way too much COFFEE, while trying to get seriously undrunk. I told you Starbucks was bad for you.... Blame ur poor productivity and hang over on the new wireless base station. I gotta try it sometime. Im wondering how the cellphone in their pocket and ubiquitous GSM coverage from multiple providers doesnt cause it, but wimax does. The same reason that your cordless doesn't interfere with your television. It's called frequency and transmitter power. If you modulate the right frequency, you can expose yourself to the right kind of "radiation" to cause health problems. Doubt it all you'd like, but there is a reason these frequencies are licensed, and not just open to anyone who wants them. You have to understand that radio waves ARE radiation, but on different frenquencies/wavelengths. Most don't cause issues with us because they are found naturally, but this WiMax channel being used over there obvoiusly is on a bad channel. I don't claim to know it all though, so flame on, but I honestly believe the health concerns are valid for the technology. I don't like holding a cellphone or cordless next to my head, but I also realize that all my neighbors have one, so I can't avoid it.
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| | | | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: I wonder... I doubt wimax is being used on anything above 3 ghz, its betweem 500-2500mhz probably, basically same as wifi, 2.4 ghz devices, or as UHF TV or PCS or cellular cellphones. Wimax shouldnt be more 2x a cellphone tower in transmit power, 30 miles vs .5-2 for city and 5-60 (AMPS/analog) miles for rural. I just dont see the difference other than 2x more transmit power. | |
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cloud 9 | I call BS I wonder if someone can find this information, but I'd be willing to bet that I receive more 2-11GHz signal from the sun than what is output by this system.
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| MJRudzik
join:2002-01-13
Independence, MO | I too call bs Id like to see them announce that the base station was shut down when it was infact left on and see all these freakin Hypochondriacs say that all their syptoms went away | |
| | outback2k1
join:2003-11-28
Seekonk, MA | Re: I too call bs Or turn it off without telling anybody. | |
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| Re: I too call bs said by outback2k1 :Or turn it off without telling anybody. That would be the best way... and possibly the only way to really test that... However, it's going to be hard to not tell anyone since people are probably already using the network, aren't they?
I am not one to dismiss any claims jsut because it sounds silly. If the WiMax came one and a large amount of people all the sudden start having problems, it's worth looking into. There are many things that we thumbed our noses at in the beginning, didn't pay attention to it, and it became problems we deal with today.
A close, but not quite, example for rough comparisons:
HIV/AIDS: 1982 - "Nothing to worry about... there's no problem" - today, 40 million people have it and millions have died since; no cure.
SARS: CIRCA 2002 - "Jumped on right away, mostly contained. Could have been a MAJOR health issue.
The big difference between these references and WiMax is that he biggest hit would be to the economy if it were to continued to be built only later to find out it had to be scrapped if it's really causing issues. If an economy started to thrive and grow on it, our current humanity is one to keep things on, weight the amount of people with health problems vs money (which is WAY wrong in my book) and not do the right thing.
There are still concerns over high power lines causing health issues too... have we done anything about that? Nope... not really. | |
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join:2000-07-02
Lakewood, OH
| Europsuedoscience strikes again... Why does all this crap come out of Europe? How embarrassing to the reasonable Europeans! There must be a large population of Luddites, because it seems to be directed toward technology. For instance, cell phones an tumor formation, airplanes and blood clots, and now wimax and heart arrhythmia.
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| | dmh748
join:2002-03-07
Boston, MA | Re: Europsuedoscience strikes again... Before you generalize about European engineering and scientific skills, you should consider Nokia and Ericsson's success and accomplishments in that field. | |
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| Re: Europsuedoscience strikes again... It just seems to be the case more often than not. There are plenty of great European engineers and scientists and plenty of good work done. That is why I think it is embarrassing that so much psuedoscience emerges.
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| | Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Actually, the last time I heard about something like this it was a town trying to prevent a WiMax network from being setup, in Canada. | |
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join:2003-09-01
Lovington, NM | Re: Europsuedoscience strikes again... Canada is the same as Europe as far as most americans are concerened...socialist failing utopias, full of whining sniveling anti-technology freaks. | |
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Miami, FL | lol I assume this is the same situation in those old movies where you see some guy the town hates come in and all the girls do the fakest collapse ever and once the pope throws the holy book at him they all the sudden recover.
Ha, classic. | |
| garmst
join:2000-09-17
New York, NY | Eat more Herring and drink less Aquavit The Swedes drink too much!!! | |
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@charter.com | EMR electromagnetic radiation radiation from power lines has been the cause of some forms of cancer, mostly in small children and unborn. so maybe some people do have a bad reaction to the Wi MAX signal at close range. | |
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treetop1000
join:2003-11-07
Lexington, KY
| Re: EMR I dispute your information. I have not seen any factual, academically investigated, medically supported cases of "damage" done by high tension power lines.
I have only seen those tests done by "independent researchers" (usually hired by the plaintiffs lawyer)
and those were not long-term historical evidence type studies. They were, in short, just mere accusations that were brought up as a legal tool in support of a lawsuit.
Thats -NOT- proof. Show me the three headed baby, and I'll go away with my tail between my legs. I DARE you. | |
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treetop1000
join:2003-11-07
Lexington, KY
| Re: EMR That's a -STUDY- done by researchers. Its not "proven beyond a shadow of a doubt" that high tension power lines cause cancer or other diseases. These studies did not directly link power lines to cancer. They -suggested- that there -might- be a link. They offered no absolute proof that this is happening. Whenever I see terms and statements like "control group" and "30% of people under the age of"
I begin to see that the researchers are keeping a clear escape route, just in case the government says "So this is proof that this is bad, eh?"
Remember the saying offered by Samuel Clements: "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" | |
| | | | | gensai
join:2006-04-15
Seattle, WA
| Re: EMR maybe you should look into the medical research Sweden has done. They are one of the major players in researching what we have today. They will test this issue and find out what is causing people to be sick. And yes, frequency waves can cause illness. As do sounds and other forms of unseen waves that people don't realize. They will look into it and find out. Swedes are careful which is why they are one of the best in the medical field. | |
| | | | gensai
join:2006-04-15
Seattle, WA | Re: EMR as a side note, if it's a small town then they may be more suseptible unlike a city. | |
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join:2004-12-20
00000 | Wimax 0111001101110101011000110110101101110011 don't they have 100mbps lines over there? why the need for slow wimax | |
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| YES well you know microwaves leak avter 100 or so door open/closes.
you know they brought cell phones power dwon to .4 and .6 watt dig/ana respectively from 3wat+
you know you can actually feel the heat on your ear after talking on cell phone for 20 minutes +
and try to boil water 
boils your brains out..
Dumbasses.. we are electric, our nerveuous system is electric. our spinal cord is passing electricity to our nerves and brains.
thats how we function..
take a damn electornics course and see what magnetic fields do to electric paths.. its called a coil.. and yes it disrupts it.
now go a head and please put your wifi equip 1 inch from what you guys have as a brain and ill visit you in the clinic in a few years.. better yet ill go se your childs in a museum..
BTW fertiility test show that USA has lowered to 35% from 80% in last 25 years ... coincidence or techno crap ?
my 2 and a half wats of judgment. | |
| | GhostFreeman
join:2004-06-04
Rising Fawn, GA | Re: YES This is easily the most gobbeldygook post i've read all day. | |
| | | gensai
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Seattle, WA | Re: YES It is true. | |
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1 edit | said by Bobcat12431231231312 :
well you know microwaves leak avter 100 or so door open/closes. Microwave ovens leak after zero door open/closes ... at levels generally accepted as safe.
said by Bobcat12431231231312 :
you know they brought cell phones power dwon to .4 and .6 watt dig/ana respectively from 3wat+ As the number of cell towers increase, it is necessary to decrease station power in order to reduce interference to distant towers.
This has been the technology roadmap since ... well ... since cellular came out.
said by Bobcat12431231231312 :
you know you can actually feel the heat on your ear after talking on cell phone for 20 minutes + Remove the cell phone and just hold your hand to your ear for 20 minutes. You'll also feel the heat.
said by Bobcat12431231231312 :and try to boil water boils your brains out.. WTF?
said by Bobcat12431231231312 :
Dumbasses.. we are electric, our nerveuous system is electric. our spinal cord is passing electricity to our nerves and brains. Some of us more than others.
Yet somehow, we manage not to fall into fits and convulsions when we drag our feet on the carpet and shock ourselves on the doorknob.
said by Bobcat12431231231312 :
take a damn electornics course and see what magnetic fields do to electric paths.. its called a coil.. and yes it disrupts it. Take an English course so we can keep track of what its or it's is distrupting it. Your sentence is difficult to parse.
But in the meantime, realize that your monitor is throwing electromagnetic fields right at your head. EMFs also come from your television sets, the RFID scanners at the department stores, any fan motor, flourescent lights, thermostats, and other sources too numerous to mention.
said by Bobcat12431231231312 :
now go a head and please put your wifi equip 1 inch from what you guys have as a brain and ill visit you in the clinic in a few years.. better yet ill go se your childs in a museum.. Police officers and firemen have been using walkie-talkies for decades ... at high field strengths and frequencies across the spectrum.
And what about the telco workers who have been working with microwave technologies for their entire careers?
said by Bobcat12431231231312 :
BTW fertiility test show that USA has lowered to 35% from 80% in last 25 years ... coincidence or techno crap ? Obesity is a more likely cause, IMHO ...
said by Bobcat12431231231312 :
my 2 and a half wats of judgment. No comment.
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| sick of wireless communication I want to tell everybody that I am and have become VERY VERY EXTREMELY SENSITIVE since an 3 armed UMTS antenna was placed on my roof of my apartment (and already placed in the middle between two other existing GSM antennas too!)within 25 metres. At the same time (more than a year ago) I used a wireless connection for my laptop and my wifi-router, and so I found out I could pick up free networks on the street IN MY HOUSE, for free. But I could not endure long sessions with my laptop, I felt irritated and stressed in my muscles and head. I feels very strange and sickening. Also sensitive prickles in my body and so. Also in the car I feel strong masts and power lines (of tram train andso)!! I had to stop my work because my throat was very sensitive and almost took my breath...as I was driving the cars for my employer and had to pass a lot of GSM antennas underway... it was so strange... i felt attacked by it! But who believes me ?? I had to stop working also with my laptop because it makes me now sick too after too long time. I also had a mobile phone account for free calling after 19hrs and in the weekend. So i was in the middle of all kinds of STRONG electromagnetic fields. Unaware of the risks I took ! My house is in the middle of the canal and in the middle of the building with around me at least 50 Dects, 15 Wireless networks, tons of GSM's and who knows what more (radars from the cruise ships and harbour close by I don't know but feel it now). My head is now permanently sizzling and buzzing at home. Also strange muscle pains everywhere... ALMOST EVERYWHERE NOW HERE IN HOLLAND I FEEL IT (the highest polulated country in Europe and Amsteram is crowded with antennas on almost EVERY STREETCORNER). But my health problems completely disappeared in Corfu, a green Island of Greece, but only after 3-4 days of my holidays. I felt cured! There I found out the antennas (and not so many too!!) ARE NOT PLACED on houses, but on the hills far away. I think UMTS and WIFI is not available there YET (THANK GOD!! and the RELIEF I found there!). But now back in Holland the TORTURE starts all over again... and more frightening....the shops are loaded with wireless gadgets. ALL WIRELESS PORDUCTS now in the stores (like camera's, audio and television sets) ARE A DISASTER for every bodies WELL BEING and HEALTH in time. Especially using the high (pulsed) frequencies are very sickening for 3 to 5 % of the population already!! But I as a 'un'healthy young man now in my 30's predict that at least 30-40 pro cent of our generation will became ill of these extremely fast growing of the wireless technology. It has made changes something in my head and bodies that makes me so sensitive that I get mad of these strange sounds in my brains. THIS ONLY SHOULD BE THE REASON THAT WE HAVE TO STOP THIS IMMEDIATELY! It is a time released effect and it is very difficult to measure it by the institutes BUT I FEEL IT VERY GOOD AND EXTREME. There is already proof by the lang term off the people who are close and in the middle of these fields!!! And it becomes worse!
And we have to learn- expecially the WHO and national authorities- that this is a SERIOUS THREAT to every living species. Sparrows already have gone out of the city center here, and also I understand why I see every time i drive my car I find AT LEAST ONE dead bird along the roads here.... also the cat here in the yard is crying almost every day as if it is abused or something or asking for help by its strange screams... Why we don't listen to these signs of warnings... of nature and why we don't use precaution to sensitive people ?? Why we don't use our BRAINS (as far is still possible...because this technolgie makes us dizzy and unaware it seems...)and listen to the the same stories all around the world about people getting very sick of this technology and WHY is there no action taken for this sickening and maybe slow killer for all species ??? Latest result show even LEUKEMIA and (non) Hodgkin clusters around antennas.... why we don't take action before we and our children die from this INVISIBLE AND SLOW KILLER?? In Holland I see every week a television program of the most cancers...last time a young girls of 4-5 yr with a terrible eye-tumor already.... and she is missing her left eye now... also a lot of young people die more and more...brain tumors... Non Hodgkin... leukemia...and more... who takes PREVENTION MEASURES against invisible radiation we hardly can protect ourselves anymore... day and night 24 hrs a day... for ONLY technology that is controlling our lives yet ????
S T O P IT NOW ! It is a (human only?) right to have a healthy living environment that is not polluted TOO MUCH with EMS! | |
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