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Phil
Rojo Sol
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join:2001-06-11
Camarillo, CA | Re: who keeps Darknet in check ? Not to mention your local terrorist network.
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join:2006-04-26
Grand Ledge, MI
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BIGMIKE
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join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA
| Re: who keeps Darknet in check ? said by BPLSUCKS  : What terrorist?...the man with a bomb on him or the poor man labeled a terrorist because the NSA has to meet a quota to add people to airline blacklists?...Remember back in 1776 during the revolutionary war Americans were the "terrorists". Terrorist Website Links »www.whitehouse.gov/
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Callahan, FL
| Re: who keeps Darknet in check ? If everyone wants to hijack the thread I say lets go all out.
I thought the terrorist website was-»/forum/blueroom
Lets ignore that it is possible to use the Darknet for reasons that might due some harm. I'm sure wishful thinking will keep terrorist and those that refuse to honor copyright from using it to get around law enforcement.
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11
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| Re: who keeps Darknet in check ? A flashlight and Morse Code can be used "for reasons that might due [sic] some harm". Let's compile a list of everyone who has bought batteries, flashlight bulbs and has eyes.
You really need to stay out of both rooms of color. They'll warp your brain.
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join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
1 edit | Re: who keeps Darknet in check ? Apple and oranges my friend. I'm not saying Darknet is all wrong but a Isp setting this up needs to have the ability to track users back if there is a need. Most likely real word application of this will be a crap load of warez site and phishing scams. C'mon due you really think this will only be used for loyal patriots to keep tabs on government.
This will be a P2P users wet dream. | |
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: who keeps Darknet in check ? I have no doubt that there will be rampant 'illegal' activity. So what? Nothing new there. If you want to stop that, just shut down the Internet. Oh wait...nefarious activity predates the 'net. I guess we need to lock everyone up just in case they might do something bad.
There are plenty of ways to accomplish 'anon' surfing besides using this service. Hundreds of open proxies out there are working just fine right now.
Let the P2P-ers cream their shorts. It's getting really tiresome to hear the usual harpies screeching about "security" where there is none no matter what you do.
Are you ready to check your laptop, cell phone and all other electronic equipment and not carry them onboard when you fly? That's next. It's all bullshit. The world is a dangerous place. Learn to cope.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| said by JSRoman :Apple and oranges my friend. I'm not saying Darknet is all wrong but a Isp setting this up needs to have the ability to track users back if there is a need. Most likely real word application of this will be a crap load of warez site and phishing scams. C'mon due you really think this will only be used for loyal patriots to keep tabs on government. This will be a P2P users wet dream. Yet I'd rather cope with this than give a single bit of info for the RIAA/MPAA or its corrupt court ilks. | |
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| said by RadioDoc :A flashlight and Morse Code can be used "for reasons that might due [sic] some harm". Let's compile a list of everyone who has bought batteries, flashlight bulbs and has eyes. You really need to stay out of both rooms of color. They'll warp your brain. Great advice!  | |
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| said by JSRoman :If everyone wants to hijack the thread I say lets go all out. I thought the terrorist website was-» /forum/blueroom Oh, that's just your ignorance, don't get confused. 
I bet more terrorists can be found in Red circles but that's 100% sure that the most anti-Americans are Reds - see uynder title "neocons".
Lets ignore that it is possible to use the Darknet for reasons that might due some harm. I'm sure wishful thinking will keep terrorist and those that refuse to honor copyright from using it to get around law enforcement.
There's nothing to honor in most cases.
Stop being a (paid? unpaid?) mouthpiece of RIAA/MPAA - they are enemies of every developed nation, including this one. | |
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join:2001-10-05
Barrington, IL | This is funny? Grow up man lol | |
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BIGMIKE
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Westminster, CA
| Re: who keeps Darknet in check ? said by ditka_b :This is funny? Grow up man lol look up the TERRORIST and Definitions of Terrorism on the Web:
Definitions of Terrorism
* is defined by the US Department of Defense as "the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives."
TERRORIST DEFINITION
»www.therationalradical.com/dsep/···tion.htm
»www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&···ct=title
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join:2001-10-05
Barrington, IL | Re: who keeps Darknet in check ? It's just the usual 12 year old fear mongering. It makes kiddies feel cool. | |
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15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT | It IS somewhat surprising to hear these American-spirited words coming from a Swede. | |
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join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | Re: who keeps Darknet in check ? Danke! | |
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bamabrad
join:2006-01-27
Port Orange, FL | Not to sound derogatory... but when was the last time that Sweden defended the rights of democracy-aren't they always 'neutral' ? | |
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fegul
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united state
| Re: Not to sound derogatory... said by bamabrad :but when was the last time that Sweden defended the rights of democracy-aren't they always 'neutral' ? Sure you're not referring to Switzerland?
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join:2006-01-27
Port Orange, FL | Re: Not to sound derogatory... I stand corrected! Soooooo sorry to the country of Sweden and their fine citizens. | |
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | Re: Not to sound derogatory... Sweden is the country of Volvos, ball bearings, and the namesake of an American-made marketing campaign (i.e. the Swedish Bikini Team). Oh yeah... and vikings. | |
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| Re: Not to sound derogatory... Sweden has a good history on neutrality. Unlike Switzerland, they just had the misfortune of being invaded during World War II. For reasons that escape me, Swizerland managed to invade that fate. While the Swiss Alps provide some protection against invasion, I think a nuetral Switzerland must have been in Nazi Germany's interest.
Speaking of nuetrality, however, what about "net neutrality." This service might provide this unless the carriers block it. Unless it is blocked, it will also help people in countries with censored internet. Since the service is PPTP (particularly one reflashed with dd-wrt or sveasoft), you can easily program it into a router as well and the plug a VOIP box into it.
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koitsu
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join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
| Double-edged sword. I understand the anonymity aspect, and in this day and age, I can almost respect it (keyword: almost). I can't speak for the rest of the world, or the rest of my country, but I have a tendancy to "generally" trust my own government's judgement (when it comes to tapping + spying). Any pro/anti-Bush sentiments, or government paranoia sentiments, will be downright ignored (this is Gold Leader, stay on target!)
The problem I have with anonymous services such as the aforementioned, and even worse, things like the EFF's Tor, is this: there is absolutely no effective (real-time) way to block users of the service who are abusing it (e.g. harassing).
I brought all of this up in a thread over at NANOG, asking other systems and network administrators for their feedback.
Those who want to discuss anonymous services like this should read the thread -- it points out concerns I have with the service, but more importantly, presented a real-life situation which I hadn't thought of: such services being used for carding adult services via HTTPS. Me, I'm just worried about the harassment part...
The only solution available -- which, again, is not real-time -- is to use a DNSbl and run a proxy-monitoring daemon on each and every IRC server which denies connections based on source IP (looked up via the RBL). The DNSbl is maintained by "some random dude on the Internet" who happens to keep it up "because he's bored". Wow, that sounds like it'll be around a year from now, doesn't it?
The saddest part, for me, is that I don't like shunning technology because of social problems. I don't like killing technology because, simply put, "people on the Internet are jerks". I don't mind it when there's an effective, quick way to deal with those jerks. But with these distributed anonymous services, you don't have many options (only one, and it's not real-time).
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garagerock
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join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| Re: Double-edged sword. quote:
I can't speak for the rest of the world, or the rest of my country, but I have a tendancy to "generally" trust my own government's judgement (when it comes to tapping + spying)
And that's fine and dandy for you, but what happens if you disagree with that sentiment? Are you the authority on making the judgement call on when/who to spy on? | |
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join:2004-06-15
Miami, FL
| Re: Double-edged sword. quote:
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And that's fine and dandy for you, but what happens if you disagree with that sentiment? Are you the authority on making the judgement call on when/who to spy on?
The right of freedom of information should always be inalienable. When you talk about the government being givin free reign for wiretapping it makes me sick. Information is power and absolute power is not as good as the vodka (but I digress). Any government in history has proven itself unworthy to hold absolute power. Democracy is founded with the notion that it is only as good as the average level of education of the masses that is because it is a governemnt by the people by the .. for the.... oh whatever. Point being cannot let it Spy/Tap without as much over site as they will let you think that you have. It is the right nay the duty of any democratic citizen to question there government at ALL TIMES and to make sure that it is following the streight and narrow. All he terrorists and copyright infringers in the world be damned I will not give up my right to question/oversight my governement. It is not that I dont trust them it is that I dont trust ANYONE absolutly. | |
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join:2005-11-26
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This is not a "democracy", It's a constitutional republic. The mob (read: unwashed masses) dont rule here.
Which is a good thing, since most of the sheeple wouldn't know what intellect was if it came and bit them on the ass.
Which is, of course why the founding fathers chose the Constitutional Republic form ov government. | |
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join:2005-02-05
Jackson, TN | You make a very good point.
Unfortunately, as long as governments and powerful corporations feel empowered to conduct fishing expeditions on individuals' private communications, alternative communication methodologies will be created. | |
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join:2000-08-16
·Digizip
| said by koitsu :...The problem I have with anonymous services such as the aforementioned, and even worse, things like the EFF's Tor, is this: there is absolutely no effective (real-time) way to block users of the service who are abusing it (e.g. harassing)... ...Me, I'm just worried about the harassment part... You sound like the type of person who should worry about harassment...Why not relax, adopt a "live, and let live" attitude, and stop sticking your nose in other peoples business? Why should you care, you can't stop it, any more than you can stop the government from illegally wiretapping your phone or ISP. They'll do it if they want to, and if you catch'em, then what, so what? | |
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Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| as wiretap laws get more broad, so will the use of encryption. as the NSA gets better so will the encryptors and nowdays thanks to the net and darknets good luck restricting civilan access to the strongest stuff because you cant. and the only way to know whos encrypting beyond the legal limit is an illegal wiretap.
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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | darknet hrmm... thought google bought most of it up | |
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TheOtherPete
join:2001-06-28
Boyds, MD
| This must slow down your net connection big-time From »https://www.relakks.com/faq/security/
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Bandwidth
RELAKKS is fast and you get exactly the same bandwidth as you get from your ISP today (i.e. if you have a 100 Mbps connection from your existing ISP you will get the same bandwidth from RELAKKS). Important notice: you will not be able to get more bandwidth from RELAKKS than you have from your existing ISP today. Encryption will make your CPU work harder but it will not inflict any degradation of you bandwidth.
I don't see how this statement from Relakks can be true.
The remote end for the PPTP connection (pptp.relakks.com) is 100+ ms away from me so at least for those of us in the US this is going to add lag big-time. And how could this company have enough bandwidth to satisfy all customers at full speed? | |
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join:2002-08-01
1 edit | Re: This must slow down your net connection big-time pptp.relakks.com may have 100ms latency to you... but perhaps they have better connections or fewer hops to the places you wish to access on the net than you do.
And 100ms latency is not "big-time lag". You still get the bandwidth, and for downloads and p2p... latency wouldn't matter. Try using 2way satelite and then talk to me about high latency.
Relakks is saying the total bandwidth they have for there service far excedes the bandwidth that any home or business would have to the internet. Latency and bandwidth are not the same thing, so there statement could very easily be correct. | |
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join:2001-06-28
Boyds, MD
| Re: This must slow down your net connection big-time said by wilburyan :pptp.relakks.com may have 100ms latency to you... but perhaps they have better connections or fewer hops to the places you wish to access on the net than you do. It sounds like you dont understand how a VPN tunnel works. All traffic from me goes to Relakks first and THEN goes from Relakks to the actual site I want to visit.
So regardless of how close the site is to Relakks, the tunnel is going to impose 100ms latency as a baseline for me; the end-to-end latency will never be less then what it is between me and Relakks.
Frankly most sites I visit are in the US so I suspect that my traffic will suffer two cross-atlantic trips and the actual latency will end up thru the roof.
And 100ms latency is not "big-time lag". Speak for yourself. 100ms as a starting point for latency is going to give poor performance.
You still get the bandwidth, and for downloads and p2p... latency wouldn't matter. Try using 2way satelite and then talk to me about high latency. I'm not going to get into a debate about how latency affects throughput but in general I disagree, high latency affects interactive as well as non-interactive (download) traffic.
Relakks is saying the total bandwidth they have for there service far excedes the bandwidth that any home or business would have to the internet. Ummm, no, that is not what they said. They said if I am getting 30Mbps from my ISP then I will get the same bandwidth from Relakks. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize that just a few well connected users will easily overwhelm whatever connections Relakks has to the net. Maybe I should sign up for a free month just to run some speedtests and prove the point.
Latency and bandwidth are not the same thing, so there statement could very easily be correct. I never said or implied that they are the same thing. I was making two different points. | |
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Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | 100ms isnt lagging, heck i play WoW around 100ms and latency is far more important in an MMO then in downloading which is a non interactive stream.
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Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC | Well, it doesn't work so far... Well, it doesn't work so far. I fed it my credit card  and logged in. Everything typical for a PPTP VPN. Can't surf, can't nslookup.
Anyone else actually try it? | |
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join:2001-06-01
DE
|  Just works as good and bad as VPN can be
But: I used the PPTP flavor (pptp.relakks.com) instead of the L2TP in order to evade any possible firewall troubles.
Would like to have my WRT54GL do the VPN though, but that might require a string and true DD-WRT / Linux guru. | |
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GoPoundSalt
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Logan 5
Wondering what happens next..
Premium,MVM
join:2001-05-25
The WasteLAN
·Pacific Bell - SBC
1 edit | Re: Well that should take about 5 minutes to hack said by GoPoundSalt :
The Pirates and facilitators of theft really are pretty dumb.
Well hello Taylor01, long time no see troll.......
Edit.. I really hope this is a success. Not because of who I think will use this or what I think they will use it for, but because it is the RIGHT thing to do to make some effort to stop the erosion of the freedoms and liberties that most of the world enjoys, no matter what country you may live in.
The Pirate Party has drawn a line in the sand, now let's see who dares to cross it... | |
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clevnull
join:2005-01-17 | so what? As long as the stream of tall, buxom. single, blonde women continue to flow from this country...whatever | |
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freedom2345
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| Re: so what? "I have no doubt that there will be rampant 'illegal' activity. So what? Nothing new there. If you want to stop that, just shut down the Internet. Oh wait...nefarious activity predates the 'net. I guess we need to lock everyone up just in case they might do something bad.
There are plenty of ways to accomplish 'anon' surfing besides using this service. Hundreds of open proxies out there are working just fine right now.
Let the P2P-ers cream their shorts. It's getting really tiresome to hear the usual harpies screeching about "security" where there is none no matter what you do.
Are you ready to check your laptop, cell phone and all other electronic equipment and not carry them onboard when you fly? That's next. It's all bullshit. The world is a dangerous place. Learn to cope."
I agree, what ever happened to the land of the free  we need to stop the government from controlling our lives so damn much.  | |
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unhappy_mouse
@verizon.net
| tariff the cheese What can they do? Tariff the swedish cheese, spicy meatball?
Ban swedish chef from the muppet show?
IMHO, we should see an episode about this fisasco on SouthPark! That little diddy about downloading music was crap, the SouthPark kids can really add something to the debate/story!
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