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This month's obligatory "blimpband" (broadband airship) report comes courtesy of Swissinfo, who notes that a Swiss aerospace engineer turned entrepreneur is planning a 2007 test of the "X station" airship (see website), which can provide data and phone communications from 21 kilometres above the earth. The craft will be unmanned and solar powered, each one costing an estimated $32 million. Also see previous Blimpband reports.

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jmycknshk
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talk about a waste of money

talk about a waste of money- this is as bad as the guy who wanted to release hundreds of weather balloons for wireless communitction, then collect them as they fell back to earth.

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Re: talk about a waste of money

I hope it crashes
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Re: talk about a waste of money

said by bigxl31 See Profile :

I hope it crashes
Oh? And why is that? Because you hate the Swiss or you work for a Telecom?
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Re: talk about a waste of money

Who doesn't hate the Swiss. With their holier than thou cheese and their delicious chocolates.

Don't forget their non aggressive stance on EVERYTHING. I mean, how can you NOT hate a country that won't get off the bench when it comes to a friendly armed conflict between nation states?

And don't get me started on that damn "Swiss Miss". I took her out, bought her dinner, and drinks (a big hairy dog with a barrel around his neck brought us brandy) and what did I get?

Nuthin'. I'm telling ALL my friends she's nothing but a tease....

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Re: talk about a waste of money

Swiss Miss is a brand of powdered chocolate drink mix. THAT is where you went wrong. Mix her in some hot water and drink.
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Re: talk about a waste of money

Here comes the wireless bashing.. I dunno about you, but I would rather have a few blimps that you cannot see floating around than millions of miles of cable laying all over the place.

If these blimps can stay in the air for long periods of time between maintenence, they would make much more sense than any wired technology.
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Re: talk about a waste of money

said by Jafo232 See Profile :

Here comes the wireless bashing.. I dunno about you, but I would rather have a few blimps that you cannot see floating around than millions of miles of cable laying all over the place.

If these blimps can stay in the air for long periods of time between maintenence, they would make much more sense than any wired technology.
Too late, they already started about five and six levels back in this thread.
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I wonder who the investors are? I gotta lot of stupid ideas that need funding.

My Ideas:

Psychic powered Wi-Fi

Virtual Reality (a small device implanted in the brain that allows you to do anything including playing XBOX in your head---No handset--and going to college in 12 hours)

Self-cleaning clothes

An DNA upgrade to make Men less Impossible

An engine that NEVER needs Gas

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Re: talk about a waste of money

said by rachelsfx See Profile :

An engine that NEVER needs Gas
Done already

Compressed air engines, one's french, the other Korean
»www.mdi.lu/?newlang=eng
»www.energine.com/

Wikipedia on the french one: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_car
Many ppl are thinking it's a scam, due to lack of product released since 1998. But apparently, the company has been audited by one of the highest engineering research dpt in France, and they concluded that it was based on a technology that works. Apparently, noone wants to invest in developping this technology... Too risky I suppose.

Oh well, when Hyundai releases it on a massive scale, then I guess European and American car manufacturers will just scream "now where the heck does that thing come from? Damn Koreans!" while making a loud "pop" when they get their head out of their behinds

OK, everyone get back on topic now
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Hindenberg Anyone?

It will be like the Hindenbrg but worse no one will really care that much just spend the money on laying down more fiber optics.

jmycknshk
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Re: Hindenberg Anyone?

32 million buys a lot of fiber...

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Re: Hindenberg Anyone?

said by jmycknshk See Profile :

32 million buys a lot of fiber...
Actually $32 million doesn't go very far when the costs of fiber installation are included.

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Re: Hindenberg Anyone?

sounds like someone's gettng ripped off...

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Yes i believe it would only connect about 16,000 dwellings.
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Ummmm.....you fiber on the brain folks need to read the article. I do not know of many mobile phones tied to a tether. It sounds like data transmission may be a secondary purpose.
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Re: Hindenberg Anyone?

said by RayW See Profile :

Ummmm.....you fiber on the brain folks need to read the article. I do not know of many mobile phones tied to a tether. It sounds like data transmission may be a secondary purpose.
Actually the technology is applicable to either cell phones or broadband.

I'm a great fan of fiber but I think this is a very interesting technology especially in rural or undeveloped areas. It is a very low cost method of deploying wireless services, both data and telephone.

As far as the Hindenburg these Blimps use Helium rather then Hydrogen. In defense of Hydrogen modern analysis of the disaster point the finger at the outer fabric covering as the cause of the fire because the waterproofing contained “rocket fuel.”
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindenburg_disaster

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Re: Hindenberg Anyone?

Thanks T, I did not think to point that out but you are correct.
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The fabric contained elements sometimes _USED_ in rocket fuel the coating did not contain rocket fuel.

If you wish to use that logic then you can say that we use rocket fuel to stop our arm pits sweating because they both use aluminium as an ingredient.

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said by MysticGogeta See Profile :

It will be like the Hindenbrg but worse no one will really care that much just spend the money on laying down more fiber optics.
How will it be like the Hidenberg? Which was filled with explosive hydrogen. The blimps would be filled with helium and won't blow up.
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Re: Hindenberg Anyone?

Trying to point out that I don't see many people wanting there broadband come from a blimp and would rather have DSL or Cable so I have my doubts about this being successful and they will end up with a hole in there pocket wondering why they didn't just deploy more fiber

Orwell1984

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Run fiber to cell phones? The Hindenburg was full of explosive gas, Modern lighter than air ships use inert helium gas.

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Re: Hindenberg Anyone?

I dont see the use of useing a blimp build more cell phone towers and put more fiber instead of sending it up and worrying about it eventually failing what if they send it up and it dont work? I guess Discovery will make a pit stop and repair it on its way back who knows?

Orwell1984

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Re: Hindenberg Anyone?

If anything happens to the gas bag the electronics are contained in a way that allows a safe return to earth. If this tech works they can cover an area that would take substantially more money to cover with towers.
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A good experiment

Glad someone is trying something that is different. It will be interesting to see if the negative posters so far are right or if it will be a Holy Grail in the Mountains of Switzerland, or if the truth lies in between. The theory is good, but what will be the real life aspect?

I like how Swisscom (the AT&T/Verizon/SB of Switzerland') is poo-pooing the idea. How many times have we heard that in the last 150 years (cars, computers, lights, etc)?

The only thing I see wrong
"Transmitting on earth causes lots of radiation, because you have to penetrate countless buildings," Alavi says, arguing that phone connections are more reliable when transmitted from above because the signals are unobstructed by manmade or natural objects.
is that many people are still in buildings when they use a cell phone. Now it has to go DOWN through the buildings. Of course, those who are truly mobile may benefit.
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jmycknshk
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Re: A good experiment

you have a point about the radiation, but it still has to penetrate buildings-either you have a tower on the ground or in the sky, it still has to go through several layers. and does anyone think about what this will do to planes in flight?
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said by jmycknshk See Profile :

and does anyone think about what this will do to planes in flight?
Probably nothing. Remember that most aircraft are metal cages. Also, consider that most radars put out a very high power pulse (measured in kilowatts in aircraft transmitters and megawatts from ground stations) with no problems to the planes being painted. Also they fly over terrestrial TV/radio stations that broadcast 100's of kilowatts.
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Re: A good experiment

I think jmycknshk's concern may be in regards to airspace and not RF. Anyway, the blimp is operating at 68,851 feet which is much higher than commercial airliners at 30,000 - 35,000 ft.
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said by Toadman See Profile :

I think jmycknshk's concern may be in regards to airspace and not RF. Anyway, the blimp is operating at 68,851 feet which is much higher than commercial airliners at 30,000 - 35,000 ft.
Could be possible. I forgot that a lot of the kids that post here have no clue where commercial aircraft roam (btw I was on one flight that broke 39000, still a long ways away )
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no, i was referring to RF

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Great Idea - Go Blimpband

I think Blimpband is a great idea.

Think of it as a very high tower. That means a single "site" is able to cover a very large area. At the same time the Blimp is low enough that is does not suffer high latency that plague geosynchronous satellites.

Being unmanned it is able to stay on station for long periods of time.

Here is a link to a US company trying to do the same thing:
»www.sanswire.com/

/Tom

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Re: Great Idea - Go Blimpband

Good point. Geosync satellites are at ~35,000 kilometers above sea level, this one is about 21km so latencies shouldn't be unbearable (maybe even viable for VOIP or gaming). The only issue I'd worry about is whether the blimp could be adversely affected by wind and atmospheric conditions, given how low it is - how much would it take to get blown off course?
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Re: Great Idea - Go Blimpband

said by pb5k See Profile :

how much would it take to get blown off course?
The Sanswire site mentioned that in a FAQ. Due to the extreme altitude air pressure is very low. That translates in little energy contained in the wind compared to same speed at sea level. I have to assume the design of the station keeping system is able to counteract any but the most extreme wind speed.

/tom

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bimpband interesting,

(for me to poop on ::Triumph the Insult comic dog strikes again)

Seriously, what would you do with such a thing? Hide thepiratebayorg servers on it so the swedish police/riaa can't raid it again?

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Maybe because all the mountains

It would be cheaper than anything else, since they live a country that is mostly mountains.

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Re: Maybe because all the mountains

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It would be cheaper than anything else, since they live a country that is mostly mountains.
Not that many people in Switzerland live in the mountains, most of them live in the flat lands. Virtually every telephone line in Switzerland (95%) is able to get ADSL. So I think that this technology most likely won't be used that much for broadband, since everything is pretty well covered already.

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Old news

I hate Fox news but they had a story like this in jan but the people of North Dakota were to get them
»www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183237,00.html
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