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T-Mobile 2x20MHz LTE Upgrades Offering 70 Mbps
by Karl Bode 06:51PM Thursday Nov 21 2013
While AT&T has been winning most of the recent LTE speed tests, T-Mobile CTO Neville Ray is promising that will soon change. The company says they're in the process of migrating to 2x10MHz channels to speed up LTE connectivity, with even greater speed available via wider 2x20MHz channels. Indeed, TMONews readers in Plano, Texas are seeing LTE speeds of 70 Mbps (albeit without extra users slowing things down) via the wider 2x20MHz channels, with several major market launches expected early next year.

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borka

join:2003-04-01
Brooklyn, NY

speed with caps is useless.

I don't understand these companies they all compete like crazy on the speed of their networks, who cares if even I can get 1000 megabits on LTE? All this speed is completely useless with the caps they got in place now.
5 mega bits or 50 megabits on a phone or tablet makes no difference whatsoever.

they should start competing on who gives the largest data allotment not the fastest speed
en103

join:2011-05-02
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable

Re: speed with caps is useless.

I did hit 70Mbps on AT&T here in SoCal, but to tell you the truth - I currently have no need for it. It only allows me to hit my CAP (still on unlimited) faster. Latency is good, and I can run what I want, and not pay for overages, and have coverage where I need it - that's all I really care about.

ClaudeA

@qwest.net

Re: speed with caps is useless.

That's why all the hoopla over speed! It's a decoy to keep stupid consumers AWAY from the real McCoy - Data amount

michieru
Premium
join:2009-07-25
Miami, FL
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Speed is all about capacity. To the user the fallacy is that they will get those speeds. In reality it just means a minor speed bump for all users until more users are added into the network. The real improvements are latency for a snappier internet even at low speeds and better coverage per tower compared to 3G networks.

tiger72
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1

Re: speed with caps is useless.

said by michieru:

Speed is all about capacity. To the user the fallacy is that they will get those speeds. In reality it just means a minor speed bump for all users until more users are added into the network. The real improvements are latency for a snappier internet even at low speeds and better coverage per tower compared to 3G networks.

this. 100 billion times.
this.
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34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
Exactly and the same issue pertains to broadband connections as well.

djdanska
Rudie32
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join:2001-04-21
San Diego, CA
kudos:4
It's T-Mobile. My plan with them includes no speed caps.
34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Re: speed with caps is useless.

Caps are not for the speed of the connection.
BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA

Re: speed with caps is useless.

no on tmobile there is no bandwidth limits either.
34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Re: speed with caps is useless.

said by BosstonesOwn:

no on tmobile there is no bandwidth limits either.

Your connection has to have bandwidth limits. Connections don't work on magic. Bandwidth = speed of your connection (.e.g. 50Mbps). What you really meant to say was there are no traffic allowance limits. Both of you tried to express the same idea but used the words improperly so the sentences didn't make any sense.
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2

Re: speed with caps is useless.

No artificial bandwidth limits either. T-Mobile lets users go as fast as the LTE carrier will take them, if you're running on a smartphone.
34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Re: speed with caps is useless.

Your connection cannot not have bandwidth limits. That word doesn't mean what you think it does. Sure they do but there is still a limit, your phone can't all of a sudden have a 1Gbps connection to the tower.
BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

2 recommendations

Re: speed with caps is useless.

uncapped bandwidth means you get the max the handset is capable at times, this changes depending on load, hence unlimited bandwidth of the technology.
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34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Re: speed with caps is useless.

Wow, you really go out of your way to say things in a convoluted manner.
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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Yes, I am using the word differently. I know that 20x20 has higher bandwidth than 10x10, and thus has more capacity.

All I'm saying is that T-Mobile doesn't throttle their connections, at any point, if you get their $70/mo unlimited plan. Nor does Sprint, for that matter, on any of their plans (they just charge more on the limited plans that they have). The difference is that T-Mobile 20x20 is faster than Sprint Spark is at the moment (20x20 is hitting 70 Mbps and Sprint Spark is 50-60 real world).
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
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·MegaPath

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Why not? Clear does this on their WiMax offering for customers that still have that plan that signed up before Sprint took over. The unlimited data plan for home use had no data download limits. You got what the tower could give you and 1meg upload.
34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Re: speed with caps is useless.

said by TBBroadband:

Why not? Clear does this on their WiMax offering for customers that still have that plan that signed up before Sprint took over. The unlimited data plan for home use had no data download limits. You got what the tower could give you and 1meg download.

Yes, and 1Mbps download is the bandwidth limit.
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

Re: speed with caps is useless.

No the 1meg down isn't the limit. The download had NO limits. Only the upload had a limit.

djdanska
Rudie32
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join:2001-04-21
San Diego, CA
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1 recommendation

Re: speed with caps is useless.

That sounds about right. My clear download could go as fast as 16Mb/s but uploads where always slow. Slower than my HSPA+ TMO uploads even
TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

Re: speed with caps is useless.

My clear in Cleveland would hit 30megs. Lived next to a tower that had nobody on it.
34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

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YOU said 1Mbps download. Try re-reading your sentences before posting and make sure they actually make sense.
BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA
Your trying for semantics and failing
34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Re: speed with caps is useless.

You're failing at writing a sentence that makes sense.

John

@clearwire-wmx.net
Oh yes there is... and if you go over it they charge a ton just like everyone else. Until 10 days ago, I used MetroPCS that provides unlimited (they are the only ones I know of besides clear (who no longer sells the devices) and H20) but does the service which I just started.) I talked to about 50 carriers including T-Mobile... none offer unlimited but the above I found. MetroPCS unlimited is for phone only use... you can tether if you 'know how' and for the price no one beats them (but their connection I got anyway, broke too frequently to be used for anything but reading email.
shmerl

join:2013-10-21
You probably meant data caps (per month). Bandwidth is naturally limited, at least by the load.
medbuyer

join:2003-11-20
kudos:4
said by djdanska:

It's T-Mobile. My plan with them includes no speed caps.

I'm intrigued....what plan do you have?

Paying $70 for it?

djdanska
Rudie32
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
San Diego, CA
kudos:4

Re: speed with caps is useless.

Yes.
medbuyer

join:2003-11-20
kudos:4

Re: speed with caps is useless.

said by djdanska:

Yes.

I've got the $30 walmart plan and suits me fine...

tommyanon

@comcast.net
said by borka:

they should start competing on who gives the largest data allotment not the fastest speed

exactly

tiger72
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Saint Louis, MO
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Re: speed with caps is useless.

they already do?
T-Mobile and Sprint offer unlimited data. VZW and ATT don't.
BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Wakefield, MA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
ahmm 70 mbit rocks especially tethering... and Tmo gives ya unlimited 4g data, I burn roughly 12 Gigs tethering to my daughters ipad on road trips with her watching netflix and youtube. They never bother me about it.
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shmerl

join:2013-10-21
T-Mobile has capless $70/month plan. I don't understand why they need caps on lower price plans altogether, but at least they have a truly unlimited option.
theFarm

join:2012-09-16
Washington, DC
Faster speeds = Less Time on tge Network = Longer Battery Life

KA3SGM
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West Chester, PA
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·Verizon FiOS

2x20, and they are throttling it, but only for a degree of QOS to users

2x20 is more than capable of 100Mbps+ speeds, their equipment is already LTE-A ready, just most phones don't support LTE-A yet.

How can I only get a mere get a mere 30Mbps download on only a 2x5 LTE setup, but 2x20 is only offering 80 Mbps?

These guys are smart as all hell, they know what they're doing
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FifthE1ement
Tech Nut

join:2005-03-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL

T-Mobile Rocks!

I just switched from Sprint and I love T-Mobile! On Sprint in South Florida I would get like 0.20-0.60 download and half that for upload on 3G and that was when the test didn't time out. On LTE I would get between 1-2Mb down and half that up. So Sprint was providing 3G speeds on LTE and some towers simply broadcast LTE and have no throughput. I would sometimes get a burst of up to 6Mb if I was within sight of the tower. Also I live in a Spark Sprint area which is supposed to get 50Mb down but I couldn't even get normal LTE! I just left two weeks ago so they haven't upgraded since then either. How are they going to do 50Mb down when they can't even do more than 2Mb?! What a joke! With T-Mobile I get 10-20Mb down and 1-5Mb up on HSPDA+ and 10-30Mb down and 5-15Mb up on LTE! Its amazing! And LTE is everywhere but if I reach an area that's not I get HSPDA! YAY! Plus the signal penetration is so much better as I get signal indoors everywhere now! I got a Note 3 and I'm actually paying less than Sprint now (and I was getting a 25% discount with Sprint too)!

5th
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Tsume
Premium
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN
Reviews:
·Comcast

1 recommendation

Re: T-Mobile Rocks!

The real joke is that half of my area is still EDGE on T-Mobile I'd probably switch to them if they'd put some HSPA at least in Bristol TN/VA, Elizabethton, TN, and Greeneville, TN. Having only EDGE in those cities is embarrassing, and it performs worse than 1X on Sprint (which is a feat in of itself).

Sprint has the majority of the area on LTE, and while it is not particularly fast, it exists. I think they have to since Bristol Motor Speedway is here and Sprint sponsors NASCAR.
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bbrlogue
Learning New Things Daily
Premium
join:2003-12-07
Alexandria, VA
Take a Sunday drive to the edge of the exurbs and see if you can still get your map downloading and your music streaming. The Edge coverage will not even be reliable.

I keep a Boost pre-paid ($10/mo, unlimited 3G) for a hotspot for drives like that.

jchambers28

join:2007-05-12
Alma, AR
Reviews:
·Cox HSI
·Cricket Broadband
·AT&T Wireless Br..

1 recommendation

Tmobile SUCKS

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Tmobile FIX THE DAMN COVERAGE IN ARKANSAS IT SUCKS.

••••

tmh

@verizon.net

WooHoo! Now, burn up your data allotment 10x faster.

'nuff said.
bronxlcsw

join:2005-09-21
Bronx, NY
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·Optimum Online

LTE Tmobile Already Super fast

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the question is why?? I know they want bragging rights but this is insane. I was on Tmobile pre-paid 70 dollar per month plan and got unlimited high speed. I routinely crossed over 12gb of data monthly and never a slowdown or warning. I converted this to a family simple choice plan and now have 4 lines at unlimited 4g lte. Pay 180. I get about 30-40mbs download. I guess i live in one of those really newly upgraded areas. This extra speed comes in handy when looking at hd video. Also i did not notice till now that if you have unlimited pre-paid Tmobile gives you unlimited HSPA Plus which topped out at 22-24 mbs. Now its truly LTE. I have no idea why people stay with att or verizon with the data caps. So far this month i am 2 weeks into my billing cycle and i have used 12gb so far. Customer service insists i can continue looking at hd videos or stream my music no problems. One question though?? Am i supposed to get faster upload??

bbrlogue
Learning New Things Daily
Premium
join:2003-12-07
Alexandria, VA

2 edits

No cap concern here, but Tmo needs wider coverage

Unless T-mo thinks the currently covered LTE areas are going to have a massive population/cellphone-user boom, I'd rather them work on upgrading their Edge & GPRS to HSPA+.

Drive a short 45 minutes out of DC, say on the popular I-66 toward the Blueridge, and you'd be lucky if you get reliable Edge coverage ON the highway.

I'm not even asking for high-speed coverage in the backwater, just on the highway.

I wonder what T-mo execs use when they are on the road. They must have a second phone!