T-Mobile 3G Launch Schedule Leaked June looks to be a busy month... As you might expect, being the first carrier to launch a phone with the Android OS got T-Mobile lots of attention, though it also drew attention to the fact the carrier's 3G HSDPA network has one of the smallest footprints among major carriers. T-Mobile's looking to change that quickly -- and a leaked 3G HSDPA launch schedule memo posted by TmoNews shows T-Mobile's planned network expansion. According to the memo, April should see launches in Shreveport, Louisiana and Wichita Falls and Lubbock, Texas. May will see additional expansion in Texas and Illinois. June looks to be the busiest, with a flurry of new deployments in Ohio, Colorado, Arizona, Oregon, and elsewhere. Update: several T-Mobile insiders have contacted us to note that this information is accurate.
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  nklbPremium
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Ann Arbor, MI
kudos:2 | Ann Arbor Maybe they'll bring it to Ann Arbor MI soon. It's frustrating being in a decently populous area just outside of 3G coverage.
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|  |  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
1 edit | Re: Ann Arbor Looks like nothing for the suburbs outside of Los Angeles (Santa Clarita, Simi Valley, Antelope Valley, Ventura).
I hear you - I'm in zipcode 91355 - ~5 miles outside of coverage area. | |
| | |  RR ConductorHappy 40th AmtrakPremium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
kudos:1 | Re: Ann Arbor said by en102:Looks like nothing for the suburbs outside of Los Angeles (Santa Clarita, Simi Valley, Antelope Valley, Ventura). I hear you - I'm in zipcode 91355 - ~5 miles outside of coverage area. Nothing in NorCal either, currently they have it San Francisco and Sacramento, and nothing north of those places. | |
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| | Flurry in Ohio I hardly call 2 cities in Ohio a flurry. Hell they even left out Cinci. You need the 3 C's at least. | |
| | | no St. Louis It's difficult for me to believe this list. St. Louis isn't even on it! | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: no St. Louis It might be the 1000s of existing grandfathered federal govt users of the AWS band that will take years, if ever, to relocate. Here is the list of them. »www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/reports···1209.htm | |
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| Re: no St. Louis I was wondering why Eugene and Salem are listed but not Portland metro. Good find patcat88. | |
| | | | | | Re: no St. Louis The Portland metro area already has 3G. Salem & Eugene are the next 2 biggest cities so it makes sense to do them next. | |
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|  tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
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Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | said by stlouis :
It's difficult for me to believe this list. St. Louis isn't even on it!
The list isn't complete. It's accurate, but not complete. | |
| | | | said by stlouis :
It's difficult for me to believe this list. St. Louis isn't even on it!
Where is St. Louis??  | |
| | | tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
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Saint Louis, MO
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1 edit | Re: no St. Louis [shakes fist]
ooooohhh you chicagoans! | |
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| | What's the point? They're using a funky frequency (1.7GHz) that almost nobody supports. I dropped plans to get an unlocked Blackberry Bold because (you guessed it), T-Mobile didn't have their 3G on the 1.9GHz band.
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| | tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
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Saint Louis, MO
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| Re: What's the point? said by tmh :They're using a funky frequency (1.7GHz) that almost nobody supports. I dropped plans to get an unlocked Blackberry Bold because (you guessed it), T-Mobile didn't have their 3G on the 1.9GHz band. So what. ATT doesn't have theirs on the 2.1ghz band. Both frequencies are pretty much limited to the US.
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| | |  KA3SGM- -... ...- -Premium
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West Chester, PA
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| Re: What's the point? Uh, FYI.
The AWS(Advanced Wireless Services) Spectrum configuration.
1.7GHz and 2.1GHz are part one and two of the same AWS Spectrum allocation.
1.7GHz is used for the Subscriber device(Phone/Laptop, ect) to the Tower, and 2.1GHz is used from the Tower to the Subscriber device(Phone/Laptop).
The separation is required with any wireless device operating "Symmetrically" in Transmit/Receive mode at the same time.
Much closer in frequency, and your transmitted signal would completely jam your received signal.
T-MO having at least 20MHz(10MHz@1.7GHz, (10MHz@2.1GHz), of AWS spectrum available in most U.S. markets/territories means at this point lead towards uncharted territory.
Not many devices are currently offered for the AWS band, but chances are also that if their 1.9GHz frequencies are overloaded, there is almost no one is using the 1.7/2.1 at this point, unless you have purchased a new 3G capable phone from T -Mobile, in the past 6 months .
This offers the likelihood of avoiding "system busies", and that their new data services won't negatively impact their existing GSM/EDGE services.
Ideally, keeping their GSM voice services completely separate from their new 3G Data services will provide for a much more robust network reliability.
Plus I have installed the OEM software on at least 2 of the newer T-MO phones(Ericsson TM-506/Nokia 6263), than enables me to force voice service to the 1.7/2.1 AWS band if required.
If 1.9GHz is currently busy/overloaded, I can force the phones to connect VIA the AWS 1.7/2.1 band.
The only limiting factor for establishing a successful connection is with their (AWS)W-CDMA, and (GSM)PCS 1.9 tower back haul and their overall switching capacity.
This is not illegal, or discouraged so far, as I have taken the phones to several T-MO "Company Owned" stores, and their sales reps have asked if I can help them to make the same modifications to their own phones.
Both phone manufacturers have the OEM firmware upgrades readily accessible via their own web sites.
T-Mobile will thus far operate GSM/EDGE at 1.9GHz(Roaming on AT&T at 850MHz), and UMTS(W-CDMA) at 1.7GHz/2.1GHz.
As an excellent example of the local competition that T-Mobile now has, both MetroPCS and Cricket have recently launched in the the Philadelphia market, operating on their own AWS bands at the 1.7GHz/2.1GHz frequency allocations, but using the alternative 1xRTT AND EVDO CDMA standard.
1x/EVDO CDMA(Qualcomm), and UMTS W-CDMA(Ericsson), although very similar, use completely incompatible CDMA protocols.
Viewing the latest economic downfall, I really think that MetroPCS and Cricket should merge their operations.
This has been suggested before, but the 2 Wireless companies,(MetroPCS and Cricket, could not come to terms for a merger, but they still share identical network build out philosophies, and use the same EVDO technologies, in the same markets, and have also signed a 10 year mutual roaming agreement with each other.
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| | | | tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
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Saint Louis, MO
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| Re: What's the point? I know all about UMTS Bands (ie AWS = UMTS Band IV, etc.). My point was simply that people like to whine about how "limited" the AWS band is, but so is UMTS Band II. They are both peculiar to North America. While UMTS Band II has spotty usage in South America, the only "important" band that is used everywhere else in the world is UMTS Band I ("2100")- and no one can use that in the United States because it's already allocated.
More importantly however, the AWS band plays better into TMO's LTE strategy.
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join:2002-06-03
Louisiana | Voice coverage? I figured South Louisiana areas wouldn't be on the list. They need to work on their voice coverage first. I've never seen a single person in my area(Baton Rouge/New Orleans) with a TMobile phone.
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| |  JoeG4
join:2001-12-16
945941 | Re: Voice coverage? Of course, you could always go get 3G with someone else in all the funky towns and with your stupid blackberry for $30/month and use that with your laptop for an additional $30/month..
WOOHOO! Such a great idea! | |
| | | digiblurGot Sipura?Premium
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Louisiana | Re: Voice coverage? said by JoeG4:Of course, you could always go get 3G with someone else in all the funky towns and with your stupid blackberry for $30/month and use that with your laptop for an additional $30/month.. WOOHOO! Such a great idea! Nah... I just use my current plan of $30 a month which includes 500 min, unlimited text, and unlimited 3g data and tether with it.
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Chicago, IL | heck I'm still waiting for them to get it working up here in Chicago. | |
| | | 3g Hell yes 3G for Lubbock!! Hopefully its true! :P
It would make sense since many students live here, and because at&t has 3g and alltel has evdo. | |
| | | just in time for 3G Let's see... TMO is racing to the 3G market right when everyone is trying to get to 4G or LTE? Why not just skip 3G and start working on the next technology to try and get ahead (rather then play catch-up).
Good luck TMO... i tried them for a year in 2005... never again! | |
| |  fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
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Atlanta, GA | Re: just in time for 3G said by Mang :
Let's see... TMO is racing to the 3G market right when everyone is trying to get to 4G or LTE? Why not just skip 3G and start working on the next technology to try and get ahead (rather then play catch-up).
Good luck TMO... i tried them for a year in 2005... never again!
Too bad you don't keep up with current information and instead you make unfounded and inaccurate proclamations that only show how ill-informed you are. I'm sure TMO is heartbroken that you left. I've used TMO for about 4 years now and I'm very happy with their service. I can't say the same for friends using Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T here though. They're usually happy to borrow my working phone.
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| | tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
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Saint Louis, MO
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1 edit | said by Mang :
Let's see... TMO is racing to the 3G market right when everyone is trying to get to 4G or LTE? Why not just skip 3G and start working on the next technology to try and get ahead (rather then play catch-up).
Good luck TMO... i tried them for a year in 2005... never again!
1st of all, 4g = LTE and WiMax
2nd - they will be working on 4g. They've already stated their plans. It just happens that if they DID skip 4G, *some* websites would still harp on them having skipped 3G.
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| |  GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8 | Yes, T-Mobile is actually going to skip 3G mostly and move ahead to 4G (LTE).
T-Mobile plans to have 4G testing next year where-as AT&T won't have LTE testing until 2012. | |
| |  AlcoholPremium
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Climax, MI
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| said by Mang :
Let's see... TMO is racing to the 3G market right when everyone is trying to get to 4G or LTE? Why not just skip 3G and start working on the next technology to try and get ahead (rather then play catch-up).
Good luck TMO... i tried them for a year in 2005... never again!
I agree. They've failed at 3G. It's time to try something different. | |
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Saint Louis, MO
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| More info from TMO News comments: For everyone complaining that much larger cities were not included in this rollout:
J says:
April 7, 2009 at 7:44 am
Some of that data is incorrect. I can at least speak for one city on that list that will be done a full quarter before the date shown. I can also say there are at least 3 cities missing from that list. JReeves says:
April 7, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Actually this post is pretty accurate. I am a contractor and am currently installing 3G in the following cities Cincinnati. Cleveland, Columbus, Denver, Knoxville, Nashville, St Louis, Pittsburgh.
We are will be integrating all the cities by end of Q2 if the RNC’s(Switches) are completed for them to go online. This does take some time to do. So this post is extremely accurate you just have to keep patient. Some of the cities could fall into Q3 if these RNC’s aren’t ready. For example this week Denver is getting 60 more sites turned up on air. I believe we are moving to St Louis or Cincinnati next depending on the readiness of these RNC’s. Last year alone my company turned up sites in Chicago, Detroit & Minneapolis.
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