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Makes senseJohn is obviously interviewing for CEO of a combined TMO and Sprint. Masayoshi Son was John Legere's old boss at a previous company.
The question on my mind is would the finial combined company be GSM or CDMA based? Sprint just spent a ton of money upgrading. | |
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Re: Makes sensesaid by SrsBsns:The question on my mind is would the finial combined company be GSM or CDMA based? Sprint just spent a ton of money upgrading. Nobody really cares about the tech. What you should say would the new company have SIM cards for use on any phone. | |
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Re: Makes senseI think they would keep CDMA around for legacy for a bit but since LTE is a GSM approved tech, it would eventually be all GSM. At least thats what I hope would happen if this merger happened. Plus phones like the Nexus 5 could instantly take advantage of both Sprint's and T-Mobile's network | |
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They will probably merge eventually for better or worse, just depends on finding right timing of the Feds mood. If Dish or someone else doesn't step up for TMO, Sprint is likely at some point.
Both are heading to LTE and VoLTE so it doesn't matter. Most new phones can do CDMA/GSM/LTE in same chipset, which was not the case with iDen. | |
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Re: Makes sensesaid by xenophon:Most new phones can do CDMA/GSM/LTE in same chipset, which was not the case with iDen. Really? I'm only aware of the Nexus 5 having CDMA and LTE on the same handset. As for VoLTE this is a long way off because companies like TMO wouldnt have any service outside of metros because there no fiber to any of the towers. | |
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said by SrsBsns:said by xenophon:Most new phones can do CDMA/GSM/LTE in same chipset, which was not the case with iDen. Really? I'm only aware of the Nexus 5 having CDMA and LTE on the same handset. As for VoLTE this is a long way off because companies like TMO wouldnt have any service outside of metros because there no fiber to any of the towers. Sprint has fiber or microwave to all sites when NV complete. Ok almost all there will be a few stragglers in Canyons. | |
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said by SrsBsns:said by xenophon:Most new phones can do CDMA/GSM/LTE in same chipset, which was not the case with iDen. Really? I'm only aware of the Nexus 5 having CDMA and LTE on the same handset. As for VoLTE this is a long way off because companies like TMO wouldnt have any service outside of metros because there no fiber to any of the towers. Verizon Galaxy s4 also supports all 3: Verizon Samsung Galaxy S4 - (2G) GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 (2G) CDMA 850 / 1900 - (3G) CDMA2000 1xEV-DO - (4G) LTE 700 MHz Class 13 | |
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said by SrsBsns:Really? I'm only aware of the Nexus 5 having CDMA and LTE on the same handset. And the Samsung Galaxy, Moto X, the iPhone, and probably a few that I'm neglecting. Hell, every Verizon smartphone has CDMA and LTE, though I assume you meant to say CDMA + LTE + GSM, which is included on the three I mentioned. Plus HSDPA and WCDMA for international roaming. said by SrsBsns:As for VoLTE this is a long way off because companies like TMO wouldnt have any service outside of metros because there no fiber to any of the towers. VoLTE can work with handoffs to the older technology, though not all carriers are going to implement such handoffs. Verizon is going a pure VoLTE route, according to their public statements anyway. Handoffs are certainly feasible though. | |
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Re: Makes sensesaid by Crookshanks:nd the Samsung Galaxy, Moto X, the iPhone, and probably a few that I'm neglecting. Hell, every Verizon smartphone has CDMA and LTE, though I assume you meant to say CDMA + LTE + GSM, which is included on the three I mentioned. Plus HSDPA and WCDMA for international roaming. The only reason for that is because CDMA carriers know business customers need world phones and Verizon doesnt want to be left in the dust on that area. Its not a trend we will see just because. It costs more money to make these handsets and and besides the reason above makes no business sense to do. Why would a CDMA carrier make a phone that would work on the competitor? GSM is a euro standard. Ever tried to activate a CDMA phone from Verizon on Sprint and vice versa? Wont happen even though its technically possible. Google has all the reason in the world to make a multimode phone since they are attempting to get as much market share as possible. They are obviously not a carrier so they have no fear of losing a customer to Verizion like ATT would if they had a phone that could do CDMA. Even then they have strict polices on unlocking. Such as you must complete your contract I dont see multimode phones as a trend. | |
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T-Mobile CEO Legere: Sprint Merger Would Help Fight DuopolyI view this as a disaster. For the first time in a year, after dealing with Sprint's crap through most of 2013, I know what it's like with T-Mobile to have a reliable working wireless connection again on my laptop. And now Sprint's big-footing its way right back into my life via T-Mobile. It sucks the big one. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. | |
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2014-Jan-28 10:30 am
I don't see it...Any merger between T-mobile and Sprint would incur huge amounts of additional debt, which would have to be paid back.
Customers would get the short end of stick.
Why offer low cost, high value plans, when you can just form a silent alliance with AT&T, Verizon to keep prices sky high?
Just say "NO" to mergers, and the debt which comes with them. | |
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said by tkdslr:Any merger between T-mobile and Sprint would incur huge amounts of additional debt, which would have to be paid back. It is doable. Son is getting good financing from Japan. Better now as interest rates are still at a bottom. If wait for the unknown and maybe much higher interest rates later. | |
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Merge and I drop T-MobileI had enough issues with Sprint when they took over Nextel. Constant solicitation calls about buying a PC card for my (nonexistent) laptop on the cell phone. | |
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2014-Jan-28 10:32 am
What will happen (if this is approved)T-Mobiles leadership will replace Sprints, Legere keeps his job
Sprint brand name is retired
Deutsche Telekom keeps minority share
Network will be rapidly transitioned to LTE just like MetroPCMs. The greatest pain will be forcing new phones on people who were on Sprint. I cant imagine they would be very happy...then again they get access to a superior network afterward.
Why keep the GSM technology?
-Its an open technology, makes it easy to poach customers from AT&T
-International Roaming for free is a big selling point for a carrier, I am sure they can negotiate this with DT post-sale.
-CDMA is stupid. A technology barely used around the world. VZ and Sprint used it to eliminate openness and lock down users in a prison. Phones need more radios to go overseas.
In the end though, it will all be LTE.
Mayoshi better not replace GSM with CDMA.
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Re: What will happen (if this is approved)Sprint name could change but Tmobile brand is owned buy DT in other countries. TMO name would go away in US for sure. | |
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2014-Jan-28 10:43 am
Re: What will happen (if this is approved)If DT keeps minority share, the name could stay. For example, the DT venture in Hungary had financial issues, so they reduced the share of ownership greatly. They got to keep the T-Mobile name even though the company was now "Magayar Hungary Telecom" | |
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2014-Jan-28 5:35 pm
Re: What will happen (if this is approved)said by Zenit:DT venture in Hungary had financial issues, so they reduced the share of ownership greatly. You are confused. DT never lowered it's full controlling ownership (~59%) ever since it bought out all other owners of the the former state-owned telecommunication monopoly in 2000 (rest is on stock market and Hungarian State retained a golden share, a usual solution when privatizing strategic services.) Not only that but actually both Matav & T-Mobile Hungary and later merged under the name Magyar Telekom ("Magyar" means Hungarian) was and still is steadily profitable ever since and also became the investment arm for DT on the nearby Balkan telecom markets (Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania etc.) They got to keep the T-Mobile name even though the company was now "Magayar Hungary Telecom" As I said, it's "Magyar Telekom" and the name change had nothing to do with any financial issue - it was simple part of the biggest DT-wide re-branding operation, quickly followed by the merger of the two DT subsidiaries in Hungary, T-Mobile Hungary (wireless provider,previously called Westel) and then-rebranded Magyar Telekom Group, under the new (shorter) name Magyar Telekom (now ~15 years later I'm not totally sure about the last structural part, I think T-Mobile was part of Matav by default...) (Discl.: I'm a native Hungarian speaker & ex-journo) | |
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I think that you're spot on about the transition to LTE. As for CDMA/GSM goes, there isn't much reason to do anything. Let everything move to LTE and gradually retire those two technologies. Once VoLTE happens on a widespread basis, there's no need to keep CDMA or GSM in the handsets except for roaming, and you can bet that GSM/HSPA will win out in that battle. AT&T is going to retire GSM at the beginning of 2017, only three years away. No reason T-Mobile can't do the same, and CDMA could also go away in a similar fashion. | |
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Re: What will happen (if this is approved)said by ISurfTooMuch:there's no need to keep CDMA or GSM in the handsets except for roaming, and you can bet that GSM/HSPA will win out in that battle. Why? CDMA for roaming works quite well for distance. Think Verizon wireless. As said before GSM is liked because of SIM cards nothing to do with the base technology beyond that. | |
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Re: What will happen (if this is approved)Yes, but CDMA isn't used for roaming in most of the world; GSM is. So that only leaves roaming on U.S. carriers, and if CDMA is on the way out, then it makes more sense to prefer GSM/HSPA for roaming. And, even with U.S. roaming, assuming the new company chose to allow it, they could just as easily roam on AT&T as Verizon. | |
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2014-Jan-28 11:21 am
Re: What will happen (if this is approved)said by ISurfTooMuch:Yes, but CDMA isn't used for roaming in most of the world; GSM is. So that only leaves roaming on U.S. carriers, and if CDMA is on the way out, then it makes more sense to prefer GSM/HSPA for roaming. And, even with U.S. roaming, assuming the new company chose to allow it, they could just as easily roam on AT&T as Verizon. Most people never leave the local area they live in let alone travel overseas. Overseas travel is a small part of most cell usage in the US. Plus if a world traveler you probably already have a couple or more sims from other areas outside the US and a couple or more phones to use them in. | |
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2014-Jan-28 11:48 am
Re: What will happen (if this is approved)said by nonymous:Plus if a world traveler you probably already have a couple or more sims from other areas outside the US and a couple or more phones to use them in. Not true. The ease of use factor is important here. CDMA roaming world wide is a joke. | |
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2014-Jan-28 12:33 pm
Re: What will happen (if this is approved)Yes Tmobile has their international roaming. No matter who buys Tmobile out how long will that last once DT is no longer the parent company?
World travelers make up a very small percentage of any US cell operators business.
You and your friends may be world travelers. Yet most normal broke people are not.
Then how many people change their cell phone on a daily basis just because? My wife is not into tech. She does have a nice cell phone though. Not because we are that broke but because she is used to it and has it set the way she likes it would not swap it out weekly. Or have a few for different days of the week.
About the only time I did have a second cell was a ruggedized one for work and a play one for home. | |
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True, I am a world traveler and a Sprint customer, I am using my Sprint HTC One on the Mas Movi (Cable and Wireless Panama) network with a local SIM right now. Obviously the phone has all the radios needed to to work on this GSM network. Using a local SIM is a way better option for anyone spending any amount of time overseas, even T-Mos free roaming is pretty limited in how much you can use, especially data. They also limit you to edge data speeds, used edge lately? They will allow you higher speeds but you will pay 15.00 per 100 mb, Very steep | |
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2014-Jan-28 12:49 pm
Re: What will happen (if this is approved)Actually, I have used EDGE lately, since I am a T-Mobile customer :P
My house is stuck between two towers - a 4G LTE/3G tower, and an EDGE tower. The EDGE tower has stronger signal as its a little closer, and my phone likes to ping pong between them. Its also right on the border of modern service from t-mobile (going east) and EDGEland going west.
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Re: What will happen (if this is approved)Edge is not enough bandwidth for navigation, at least not in the huge gaping hole of T-Mobile HSPA coverage that is Bristol TN/VA. | |
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Maybe but my iphone 5 on verizon roams on GSM just fine and I slap a Reliance or Vodaphone SIM in and away to the races.
It's not a binary thing.
In any case you would be crazy to roam internationally on Verizon or Sprint. Verizon charges $20/MB to roam in Asia. That is YES $2,000 a GB.
The issue will be in the future NOT GSM/CDMA but chipsets that support all of the LTE bands and TD-LTE.
So Nextel was a disaster, merging TMO and Sprint wouldn't be as painful BUT not seamless either.
Already Sprint is behaving like the bigboys, so it's just a matter of time.
The BIG thing to watch is what is happening in the MVNO space. Verizon is practically absent, but AT&T and TMO are dueling in that space and there is REAL value there today. Sprint MVNO mostly suck (some can use LTE now) because they are using 3G and as we all know Sprint 3G is from the dial-up era. | |
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CDMA is still big in S America and parts of Asia, just not Europe. I've roamed many times on CDMA in other countries. Some new Sprint phones also have GSM so can still roam to those areas. | |
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said by Zenit:CDMA is stupid. A technology barely used around the world. VZ and Sprint used it to eliminate openness and lock down users in a prison. Phones need more radios to go overseas. This is an incredibly stupid statement. CDMA offered superior spectral efficiency compared to GSM. The choice between the two when carriers were looking at digital voice networks in the late 1990s was quite a bit more complicated than "CDMA is stupid." IS-95 could squeeze more users onto the same slice of spectrum, did so with superior audio quality compared to GSM half-rate, and at the time appeared to have a better upgrade path. GSM's TDMA air interface was obsolete when it was adopted, and it ought to tell you something that the 3G evolution of GSM (UTMS) used a CDMA inspired air interface. Verizon and Sprint had many reasons for going with CDMA, putting their users in prison was not one of them. There's nothing that says CDMA networks have to be locked down, nor is there anything that says GSM networks have to be open. AT&T makes it exceedingly difficult for people to swap SIMs between devices from what I'm told. I can take my grandfathered unlimited SIM card, pop it into a data card, and download a few hundred gigabytes with my laptop with no issues whatsoever. Can AT&T customers do that? | |
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The leadership would not be T-Mobile. The company will be lock, stock and barrel Sprint (Softbank) the T-Mobile name and Legere will be history.
Sprint will use the spectrum and any other assets it needs from the lesser company (T-Mobile) and may keep both CDMA & GSM for a time, but since Sprint has the larger coverage it may go all CDMA.
Personally I don't like T-Mobile and for the four months I had them service outside my city was terrible, over charging, poor customer service, constantly sending text alerts when your invoice is due. The data in my city (home) was pretty good. And the WiFi calling worked very well. But in the balance the problems outweighed the good points.
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Good and BadAs much as I'm anathema to this merger. I do see the benefits of such. I just wish that it was Tmo taking over Sprint and not the other way around. Having Legere previously working for Son does give me hope. If Son is one thing, he is aggressive. That could bode well for both Tmo and Sprint in a merger. I could see him taking most of what Legere has done at Tmo and instituting it with the combined company. Yes you might take a hit short term, but if you are going to fight the big duopoly you need that kind of firepower. I'll keep my powder dry in the meantime just in case. | |
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2014-Jan-28 11:43 am
lieslies i tell ya ALL LIES
well its really just business i guess, sprint has the specturm, t-mobile has the marketing.
it kinda looks like t-mobile did so well to pump the stock price before a sell since DT wants nothing to do with them anymore.
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There's some thought that Legere, who has been a disruptive and noisy force while at T-Mobile, is playing a character.
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Don't be shocked when his fiery demeanor mysteriously fades when a combined Sprint and T-Mobile suddenly emerges in a market with just three major players.
This very thought had occurred to me. What I don't get, then, is... quote:
Granted this all may be a moot point, as regulators are very unlikely to approve a Sprint acquisition at a time just when T-Mobile's disruption is bringing new competitive life to the mobile market.
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2014-Jan-28 1:49 pm
Here we go againjust when t-mobile is getting back on their feet after they stopped spending money on anything to upgrade/expand their network they are about to put another freeze on spending as soon as this merger bullshit starts. Plus now and again, I'll have to worry about if my job with tmobile as a field technician will be on the chopping block like it would have been with the ATT merger.
Sprint subcontracted all of it's operations out to Ericsson and the first thing ericsson did was get rid of all of the higher paid most experienced technicians and hired low paying low experience personnel to replace them with.
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Re: Here we go again  said by mickeymouse :just when t-mobile is getting back on their feet after they stopped spending money on anything to upgrade/expand their network they are about to put another freeze on spending as soon as this merger bullshit starts. Plus now and again, I'll have to worry about if my job with tmobile as a field technician will be on the chopping block like it would have been with the ATT merger.
Sprint subcontracted all of it's operations out to Ericsson and the first thing ericsson did was get rid of all of the higher paid most experienced technicians and hired low paying low experience personnel to replace them with.
I'm hoping for a dish takeover, at least I would have a better chance of retaining my job. That's certainly true. It took TMO a while to catch up all that neglect accumulated during the merger foolishness. Unfortunately, we may see more of the same because that's what all of them do. It would not surprise me if already all new investments have been cancelled and only work in progress continued. | |
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2014-Jan-28 4:01 pm
That's not what puzzels me.John is just an (overpaid) employee and can only say what DT allows him to say. Obviously, he will do everything in order to promote the takeover by Softbank and that will become more pronounced down the road.
But what puzzles me that Deutsche Telekom ALLOWED TMO USA to be that disruptive.
They really are giving the government all the arguments to block the deal. I wonder what is that all about, how does this fit into the DT strategy and how long this will last. | |
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Would you keep Sprint's *real* unlimited data plan...?Or am I wrong when I remember to such a promise from Spring,,,? | |
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Low-band spectrum would helpBut they need to build the coverage WAY out and convert a TON of sites to Faux G using existing PCS and AWS spectrum before low band vs. high band makes much of a difference. | |
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2014-Jan-28 8:24 pm
Pretty sure he has to stand at attention and salute...He may be the CEO of T-Mobile but he has much bigger bosses as well.
Sometimes you have to hold up the Corporate Banner, stand at attention, and salute.....
.... or you won't gave a job any longer.
Obviously, if the trainwreck of a merger idea does go through, he'd like to come out on top as well. Can't dismiss that..... but as a T-Mobile customer, I can say I hope this merger does down in flames. | |
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