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T-Mobile Moves Forward On 7.2 Mbps HSPA Upgrades
Looking forward to 21 Mbps HSPA+
by Karl Bode Tuesday 05-Jan-2010 tags: business · wireless · bandwidth
Just in time for the launch of Google's Nexus One, T-Mobile today announced that the company has applied the latest round of software upgrades to their 3G wireless network, bringing top theoretical downstream speeds to 7.2 Mbps to some locations. Additional locations will be added as the carrier beefs up backhaul. We recently noted how after a slow start, T-Mobile was slowly starting to play catch up when it comes to deploying 3G wireless broadband services, and that they were planning to offer 21 Mbps HSPA+ services beginning in 2010. Several users have seen an early glimpse of the faster 21 Mbps service in and around Philly, where T-Mobile's been testing the next round of wireless broadband upgrades.

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Jovi

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Wonder...

if my Blackberry Bold 9700 can achieve the HSPA when the BB site only mentions "3G (HSDPA) compatible"?

»worldwide.blackberry.com/blackbe···ions.jsp
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Re: Wonder...

said by Jovi:

if my Blackberry Bold 9700 can achieve the HSPA when the BB site only mentions "3G (HSDPA) compatible"?

»worldwide.blackberry.com/blackbe···ions.jsp
It depends if it's a T-Mobile BB9700.
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MRCUR

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Columbia, PA
I believe the 9700 is only 3.6Mb capable, at least that's what I've heard about the T-Mo one. My AT&T one can definitely reach faster speeds though.

Do you get 3G T-Mo in Mount Joy? I've wanted to get a data card from T-Mo, but it doesn't look like their 3G would hit me.
Big Dawg 23

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Northfield, MN

Re: Wonder...

You are correct the 9700 can not exceed 3.6. Not surprising for a Blackberry to be lagging on speed maxes.

Jovi

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said by MRCUR:

I believe the 9700 is only 3.6Mb capable, at least that's what I've heard about the T-Mo one. My AT&T one can definitely reach faster speeds though.

Do you get 3G T-Mo in Mount Joy? I've wanted to get a data card from T-Mo, but it doesn't look like their 3G would hit me.
No 3G here yet in MJ but I work in Lancaster and had 3G coverage for the first time on 12/28. I was told at the corporate store, that all towers in Lancaster should be 3G by the end of 2009. Only 2 towers were lit up when it hit Lancaster in November.
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Re: Wonder...

Yeah, Lancaster has T-Mobile 3G since November I think but I only get 0.43/0.43Mbps on my MT3G. When I'm in Mechanicsburg I get around 1.01/0.75Mbps.
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MRCUR

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Thanks for the info Jovi.

CCNnorthcali

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While you won't see the faster speeds, the upgrade mean more bandwidth available for everyone on the tower to use... so you might see less congestion.

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I'm seeing faster speeds!

I'm already seeing 5mbps on the robust T-mobile network in my area!

I can't wait till it's 21mbps! Faster than my home connection :/.
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Re: I'm seeing faster speeds!

said by Gbcue:

I'm already seeing 5mbps on the robust T-mobile network in my area!

I can't wait till it's 21mbps! Faster than my home connection :/.
Did that just happen? Looking at your Twitter feed 3 hours ago you mentioned you were not seeing them.
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Re: I'm seeing faster speeds!

said by ptrowski:

said by Gbcue:

I'm already seeing 5mbps on the robust T-mobile network in my area!

I can't wait till it's 21mbps! Faster than my home connection :/.
Did that just happen? Looking at your Twitter feed 3 hours ago you mentioned you were not seeing them.
Apparently it's been ramping up, sort of like DSL ramps up speeds after a while.

I just need to find a "mobile" speed test that can keep up until I go home and tether.
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said by Gbcue:

I'm already seeing 5mbps on the robust T-mobile network in my area!

I can't wait till it's 21mbps! Faster than my home connection :/.
That single tower in the entire state of California is going to be doing some work.

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Re: I'm seeing faster speeds!

??

PToN

join:2001-10-04
Houston, TX

Not me

I am not getting anything, but 367kbit/sec using DSLR mobile test or XtremeLabs SpeedTest

Phone: MyTouch3G
ZIP: 77478

I still need to try around my home place ZIP 77042

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Re: Not me

said by PToN:

I am not getting anything, but 367kbit/sec using DSLR mobile test or XtremeLabs SpeedTest

Phone: MyTouch3G
ZIP: 77478

I still need to try around my home place ZIP 77042
I always hated the xtremelabs app. Try the ookla one.
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djeremy

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Try the speedtest.net app in the market, also testmyipone.com. I was getting around 2.5mbps in SF, over 3mbps in Berkeley.

FBGuy
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still only 1.5mbps dl / 384kbps up

here in chicago
bugabuga

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ANd ATT too

I guess ATT is extra sensitive these days
They twitted earlier today that they too have finished HSPA7.2 software push to all 3G sites.
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Re: ANd ATT too


AT&T is really something aren't they.

They are only "reactive," when they sense the heat is on.

They have the money and resources to have their entire network at 21 Mbps if they wanted to but they flip flop more than a fish out of water.

First they say they are going to 21 Mbps. Then they say they're going to skip HSPA + and go right for LTE. Then they say they'll have the top 25 markets "7.2 Mbps ready," by the end of 2010.

Now, in almost a knee-jerk reaction to T-Mobile's announcement this AM they come out with this.

Gotta love competition. Makes me think that AT&T sees T-Mobile USA as a real threat more and more each day.
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Re: ANd ATT too

It's funny, if you read the article, the backhaul is only in place in a few cities. It's a fluff "me too" press release.

»www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4···id=30358

In addition to the HSPA 7.2 software, initial deployment of backhaul is already underway in the six U.S. cities announced in 2009 as initial HSPA 7.2 markets – Charlotte, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, and Miami, with capabilities being turned up on a site-by-site basis beginning last month. Further backhaul deployment will continue in these markets and begin in additional markets across the nation. We anticipate that the majority of our mobile data traffic will be carried over the expanded fiber-based, HSPA 7.2-capable backhaul by the end of this year, with deployment continuing to expand in 2011.
soccerguy

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Re: ANd ATT too

Ha! So AT&T is not going to complete their 7.2 HSPA roll-out until 2011?!?!?! Yikes. TMO will have 21 HSPA+ deployed 3G network-wide by then.

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Re: ANd ATT too

Unless you have a 21Mbps device, it won't help much. I maxex at 2699kbps at Lake Arrowhead, CA.
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Their reactions remind me of that "friend" that tries to make himself look good when his other friends get something new.

Take this Verizon ad campaign for example. Now there going:

ATT: But But With Verizon you can't use the internet while talking on the phone. With ATT you can. Neeenerrr neener

Whoopdee fricken do. I have VZW and I could careless if I could get on the net while talking on the phone it can wait until I get off.

Fact is ATT knows they're about to loose the Iphone, and they know it.

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Haha, software!
mdrift

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Re: ANd ATT too

said by Gbcue:

Haha, software!
It means the hardware has been in place and ready to be lit for a while.

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Re: ANd ATT too

Next year.

majic07

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In all the articles I have read no where does it say T Mobile has increased there back-haul to their new 7.2 towers just that they upgraded the network software. Kind of sounds just like what at&t did but at least they were honest and said all they did was the software to all towers and back-haul in 6 markets. Off all the blogs I have read today about T Mo's upgrade 90% have said they see no difference in speeds. As for the rest thinking T Mo's network is faster, you have the least if any Data centric devices on that network so almost all of the traffic is voice. If you think I am joking At&t has 40 to 50 million data devices on its network. That is 50% more than VZ. Now if VZ has half the devices what do you think T Mo has? All the points I have listed above can be found in stock reports as well as 3rd quarter earnings. And for the guy who said he did not care that his Droid on VZ can't do data and voice at the same time and it can wait till he hangs up, You are so lying or have no clue what you are missing. All a bunch of haters on this site. I bet at&t is the reason why our economy sucks, the war in Iraq and our health care problems.. lol

mastermind278
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Seems to be Up and Running here!


2MB Test from Mobilespeedtest.com
 

2MB Test from Mobilespeedtest.com
 
It seems like it is up and working for me.
I do have a bug that when I use the iPhone DSLR test and choose 3G the speeds aren't as good.... I think their might be a bug on that test.
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Re: Seems to be Up and Running here!

Wow... that's really impressive! Good job T-Mobile.

Makes my WinMobo's Sprint connection pale in comparison now. T-Mobile's lack of a 3G network had always kept me from switching to the Android phones which I so crave... but this looks promising.

If this turns out to be consistent throughout their network (and their coverage doesn't have any gaping holes in it) then bring it on!

For comparison... my trusty old Sprint speeds on my phone. About the same everywhere I go since 2005.

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SWEET!! Trying it out in Omaha!

Ahhh Still 1 bar and GPRS.

We love to be hated by T-Mobile.

Give away the darn license already, let iwireless or Viareo build out the rest of your crappy network!

FBGuy
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Re: SWEET!! Trying it out in Omaha!

iwireless has 3g? i doubt it
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Re: SWEET!! Trying it out in Omaha!

iWireless is a TM affiliate. The same as iPCS was/is to Sprint. If TM gives up the market there ti iWireless YOU LOSE your service nation wide. So you better thank TM for what you have.
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FBGuy
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Re: SWEET!! Trying it out in Omaha!

i roam on i wireless all the time and they don't expand their network.

best hope they don't take over omaha.
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Re: SWEET!! Trying it out in Omaha!

That's not even what i said.

TM and iWireless are partners. iWireless would NOT have the services they currently do and coverage being one of them if it was NOT for TM. If TM pulled the plug on that agreement iWireless would be the one sinking. NOT TM. TM could also decide to pull the agreement and then charge iWireless customers roaming. That would run iWireless out as well. But i doubt TM would do this; especially since their not ATT or VZ.
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Re: SWEET!! Trying it out in Omaha!

they are not partners. read the history. T-Mobile has nothing to do with iwireless in its current form. they only have roaming agreements with each other.
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i have to deal with iwireless whenever I drive up to iowa city. Trust me, you really dont want iwireless

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When DAMMIT



When will I get 3G T-Mobile? I have been with you for about 6 years now. Stop ignoring me!!

-SNT

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T-Mobile 3G in Dallas-Ft. Worth Area...

Seems like a speed increase. I'm in the southern 'burbs of Dallas and in the past I was getting a consistant 1.5 Mbps over 3G. Now, there's a definite speed increase...

Very Nice!

This was taken on the first floor of my house, deep in the walls with one "bar" of coverage... I'll post another test outdoors later...

Speeds are much better than Verizon and AT&T in this area so far. I don't acknowledge Sprint's existence anymore...

::EDIT::
Here's my speeds from my backyard with 3-4 bars of 3G:

(All tests were done on a T-Mobile G1)

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Re: T-Mobile 3G in Dallas-Ft. Worth Area...

Weired, my filter here at work is blocking any pictures for mobilespeedtest as a Trojan. Odd stuff.
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T-Mobile playing catch up?

My BB Tour 9630 on Sprint

en102
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Re: T-Mobile playing catch up?

Funny....Sprint Rev A is good for 3.1Mbps max.0
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Re: T-Mobile playing catch up?

They are on a Blackberry and BIS is running off a proxy so a speed test wont work.
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Post the result with the pic that has the Sprint Logo on it and I'll believe it... That could've been taken from your home PC or Mac...
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said by Rob2647:

My BB Tour 9630 on Sprint

Either you are connected to wi-fi or that is from an actual computer.
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said by Rob2647:

My BB Tour 9630 on Sprint

BB's are unreliable because of the proxy use.
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toby
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yep

Have a proper coverage foot print, no wonder its easy to upgrade their speed . . . doesn't have to upgrade much.

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Re: yep

TMO has 3g for 200mil. ATT covers 230mil. Seems pretty close to me

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I laughed

»coverage.t-mobile.com/default.as···ype=Data
Check out the "3g" coverage, it's almost laughable.

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Re: I laughed

said by Dread:

»coverage.t-mobile.com/default.as···ype=Data
Check out the "3g" coverage, it's almost laughable.
you're right. it's almost on par with AT&T's 3g coverage.

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Re: I laughed

difference is they don't act like they have awesome coverage. they know they are lacking and work at improving it.
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said by morbo:

said by Dread:

»coverage.t-mobile.com/default.as···ype=Data
Check out the "3g" coverage, it's almost laughable.
you're right. it's almost on par with AT&T's 3g coverage.
I no longer use AT&T but I find this statement to be false.

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Re: I laughed

I use AT&T and also find the statement false.

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TMO 3G

I don't have any friends where I live that have T-Mobile. I now know why...

Looking at pricing and the new Android I figured hey maybe I'll give them a shot.

T-Mobile provides NO voice or data coverage at my house - and it looks to be over a mile in ANY direction before I hit service. Except north/north east.

Apparently if I go north/north east T-Mobile does not have ANY coverage. All the way to the long island sound...

Way to go TMO. I was actually considering dumping AT&T. You failed on your most basic of sales pitches: your (@$!@$% service does not work at my home.

Reminds me of the 90's....I really did not think ANY provider lacked the chunk of service area on LI that TMO did.

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Re: TMO 3G

tmo works best in large metro centers. nyc, chicago, LA, etc. if your outside that, your mileage will vary
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said by fcisler:

I don't have any friends where I live that have T-Mobile. I now know why...

Looking at pricing and the new Android I figured hey maybe I'll give them a shot.

T-Mobile provides NO voice or data coverage at my house - and it looks to be over a mile in ANY direction before I hit service. Except north/north east.

Apparently if I go north/north east T-Mobile does not have ANY coverage. All the way to the long island sound...

Way to go TMO. I was actually considering dumping AT&T. You failed on your most basic of sales pitches: your (@$!@$% service does not work at my home.

Reminds me of the 90's....I really did not think ANY provider lacked the chunk of service area on LI that TMO did.
You live in Riverhead?
It looks like they've overlapped their 2g gaps with 3g coverage. In other words, if you have a 3g phone, you should get phone and data service where a 2g phone won't.

Why their "voice" map doesn't show that you should get voice when it's covered by 3g voice is unknown.
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Re: TMO 3G

I live in the riverhead area. See the large chunk slightly to the north west? Yes - I actually live in that area. There is NO service of any kind.
apok86

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mobilespeedtest.com not accurate

I don't think mobilespeedtest.com is a reliable way to check mobile speed. On my G1 mobilespeedtest.com says i'm getting aprox 3400 kbps down. However when i tether and run the speed test at speedtest.net or speakeasy i get around 1 mbs down. When I download a large file i get around 100 K/s. I wouldn't rely on mobilespeedtest.com. Other speed test apps seem to be consistent with what I actually download at.

CellBackhaul

@comcast.net

Cell Backhaul is in pregress.........

with the new wireless backhual that's going on now moving all these towers from T1 to Ethernet will finally free up some money to allow these guys to start setting up additional towers for better coverage area. T-mobile spends roughly $1,500 per tower just in T1 costs now imagine that cost split in half.

Just watch over the next year or so there coverage is going to increase exponentially as well as other wireless providers as cell backhaul takes off.........................

Ergo2020

@comcast.net

Re: Cell Backhaul is in pregress.........

When will Sarasota get > 500kbs? Any idea?

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