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T-Mobile Confirms 42 Mbps In 2011
HSPA+ 'dual-carrier' technology should make it fairly inexpensive...
by Karl Bode Wednesday 01-Sep-2010
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Back in July, slides shown at a T-Mobile manager's meeting suggested the company wanted to push their 3G HSPA network toward downstream speeds of 42 Mbps. T-Mobile today confirmed those ambitions. T-Mobile's busily deploying HSPA+ upgrades capable of 21 Mbps downstream speeds (though users see half that), and 42 Mbps speeds will arrive sometime in 2011. While technically still just 3G, the company will be offering speeds as fast as fourth-gen services, including Verizon's upcoming LTE service (5-12 Mbps) and Clearwire (3-6 Mbps). Granted, many users are more interested in coverage and reliability above of a few extra megabits per second.

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Gbcue
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Not "As Fast"

But *fastER* than "Verizon's upcoming LTE service (5-12 Mbps) and Clearwire (3-6 Mbps)"!

"a few extra megabits?" 42 mbps blows away most residential hard wired internet connections.

This is excellent news for the robust nationwide T-Mobile 3G HSPA+ network!

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Re: Not "As Fast"

Is it 42Mb per subscriber or 42Mb per "channel"?
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Re: Not "As Fast"

Per dual-carrier channel block.

Real-world performance fro tests at Telstra indicate that speeds will range between 9 Mbps and 25 Mbps.

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Re: Not "As Fast"

9mbps is already readily achieved on all of the data cards. As long as they can upgrade the backhauls, I would venture a bet that 18mbps is going to be easily achievable on 42mbps hspa+

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Who cares if you can get 42mbps if you can only get it in three markets.

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Re: Not "As Fast"

how do you figure? t-mobile has coverage to 90%+ of americans. thats far more than 3 markets.

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Re: Not "As Fast"

That 90% of coverage has backhaul for 42mbps?

*buzzer sound*

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Re: Not "As Fast"

said by drew:

That 90% of coverage has backhaul for 42mbps?

*buzzer sound*
And AT&T has the "fastest 3G", right.
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Re: Not "As Fast"

Most carriers can claim fastest - at some specific point in some specific locations.

AT&T 'had' fastest during some magazine speedtests. I suspect they're already off the top.

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said by Gbcue:

said by drew:

That 90% of coverage has backhaul for 42mbps?

*buzzer sound*
And AT&T has the "fastest 3G", right.
They do over a broader, national 3G footprint.
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Re: Not "As Fast"

said by iLive4Fusion:

said by Gbcue:

said by drew:

That 90% of coverage has backhaul for 42mbps?

*buzzer sound*
And AT&T has the "fastest 3G", right.
They do over a broader, national 3G footprint.
riiiiiiiiight. you can put in a 3g network, but if it doesn't have the backhaul for it it's not much of a network.

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said by John McClane:

riiiiiiiiight. you can put in a 3g network, but if it doesn't have the backhaul for it it's not much of a network.
AT&T has backhaul. Especially in area's where their the LEC
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said by iLive4Fusion:

They do over a broader, national 3G footprint.
But only if you stand in just the RIGHT spot, on one foot, and be sure to hold your phone JUST right, or you'll get no signal at all.
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In all likelihood, everywhere that has HSPA+ now has the capacity for dual-carrier HSPA+ speeds when they come out.

Other areas (stuck on HSPA, EDGE or GPRS), not so much.
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Isn't T-Mobile running fiber to their towers for the 21+Mbps upgrades currently?

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said by John McClane:

how do you figure? t-mobile has coverage to 90%+ of americans. thats far more than 3 markets.
Maybe GPRS but def. not 3G to 90% of Americans.
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Re: Not "As Fast"

ATT doesn't provide 3g to 90%+ of Americans either...

And frankly, based on speeds, neither does Verizon or Sprint.

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said by tiger72:

ATT doesn't provide 3g to 90%+ of Americans either...

And frankly, based on speeds, neither does Verizon or Sprint.
They all 3 do provide much better speed's than GPRS to most customers though. T-Mobile doesn't even have EDGE national yet so when the poor frequency 3G fall's back to the lesser poor 1900mhz GSM, many customer's are left with poor GPRS signal.
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said by drew:

Who cares if you can get 42mbps if you can only get it in three markets.
after 5gb when the rate goes to about $1 a meg who will want to have 42mbps?

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said by drew:

Who cares if you can get 42mbps if you can only get it in three markets.
after 5gb when the rate goes to about $1 a meg who will want to have 42mbps?
T-Mobile doesn't charge overages. They rate-cap. And it's 10GB, not 5GB.
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Re: Not "As Fast"

I'm familiar with T-Mobile's coverage.

It's sub-par.

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Right. Fast speed in 2 markets doesn't do much for the general population.

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said by ptrowski:

Right. Fast speed in 2 markets doesn't do much for the general population.
I don't know what "2 markets" you're talking about, but they lit up 7 new markets yesterday alone.
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Re: Not "As Fast"

said by Gbcue:

said by ptrowski:

Right. Fast speed in 2 markets doesn't do much for the general population.
I don't know what "2 markets" you're talking about, but they lit up 7 new markets yesterday alone.
I think T-Mobile is referring to super markets, as that is the footprint size.

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Re: Not "As Fast"

Hrmm. The Dallas/Ft. Worth Metroplex seems to be a bit larger than a supermarket, but hey - who cares about reality?

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With 42 mb service? That is what I was referring to.
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HSPA+ 21 Mbps is live in a fair number of markets...more markets than Clear has outfitted with 4G service at this point if I'm not mistaken. Since it's kinda hard to push 21+ Mbps over copper (I GUARANTEE that T-Mo isn't using DS3s to haul their bandwidth), the sites that support HSPA+ right now will likely handle an upgrade to 42 Mbps just fine.

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Re: Not "As Fast"

said by iansltx:

HSPA+ 21 Mbps is live in a fair number of markets...more markets than Clear has outfitted with 4G service at this point if I'm not mistaken. Since it's kinda hard to push 21+ Mbps over copper (I GUARANTEE that T-Mo isn't using DS3s to haul their bandwidth), the sites that support HSPA+ right now will likely handle an upgrade to 42 Mbps just fine.
Isn't WiMax using fast (100mbps) wireless backhaul?
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Re: Not "As Fast"

It's supposed to be, yes. I believe the issue with WiMAX is building penetration or something similar. 2500MHz works wonders for near/non-line-of-sight connectivity...or, rather, just the opposite.

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Right. Fast speed in 2 markets doesn't do much for the general population.
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said by Gbcue:

But *fastER* than "Verizon's upcoming LTE service (5-12 Mbps) and Clearwire (3-6 Mbps)"!

"a few extra megabits?" 42 mbps blows away most residential hard wired internet connections.

Not to mention they aren't just a bunch of money greedy sack mouths that deprive you of every dollar and cent you've worked for.

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said by OCZ:

said by Gbcue:

But *fastER* than "Verizon's upcoming LTE service (5-12 Mbps) and Clearwire (3-6 Mbps)"!

"a few extra megabits?" 42 mbps blows away most residential hard wired internet connections.

Not to mention they aren't just a bunch of money greedy sack mouths that deprive you of every dollar and cent you've worked for.
But they do have the smallest 3G network of the 4 national carriers.

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said by Gbcue:

But *fastER* than "Verizon's upcoming LTE service (5-12 Mbps) and Clearwire (3-6 Mbps)"!

"a few extra megabits?" 42 mbps blows away most residential hard wired internet connections.

This is excellent news for the robust nationwide T-Mobile 3G HSPA+ network!

Now they need actual coverage to go a long with it. By 2011 LTE should be faster and WiMax already is capable of these speed's, the backhaul isn't I guess.
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backhaul???

"Granted, many users are more interested in coverage and reliability above of a few extra megabits per second"

how about a backhaul upgrade to existing footprint? still slow here!

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Re: backhaul???

said by jweek:

"Granted, many users are more interested in coverage and reliability above of a few extra megabits per second"

how about a backhaul upgrade to existing footprint? still slow here!
It's coming. Frankly, their backhaul when they rolled out their 3g service (just 2 years ago, btw) was underwhelming at best. They were still stuck on 2-3 T1's per tower. Deploying fiber to 20,000 towers takes a while. And they've been deploying it pretty quickly imho.
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Ughhhh!

Can anyone explain to me why there is such a huge latency in my neighborhood (elmhurst) with Tmobile 3G.
I often run the Speedtest app on my phone and if I'm awake late in teh night I will see awesome speeds upto 1.8Mbps down and 1.3 mbps up.
However during the evening around 6-10PM just when I would like to use my phone (while Im not at work), speeds are unbearable (around 200-400kbps down and about 70kbps up)... and the upstream is so shotty sometimes that I can see the upload test stutter on the SpeedTest.Net and the FCC Broadband Test App on my Nexus One.
Is this grounds to complain to Tmobile to add more backhaul?
I suspect there are a lot of Tmobile users in my area who are actually on the 3G tower...
I simply would like to watch some videos using the YouTube and TEDMobile app without having the stuttering... Otherwise whats the point of paying for 3G when I cant use it like its meant to be used.

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