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1 edit | I Wonder Who Is Making The Better Move LTE is the future but it is still, for the most part, a laboratory curiosity. HSDPA and HSPA+ are here now. AT&T may have the long term advantage going right to LTE but they are going to have to work out all the kinks. If T-Mobile succeeds with their HSPA+ deployments, their network may be in better shape than AT&T's until they get LTE worked out.
It may turn out to be a shrewd move on T-Mobile's part or a mistake. Only time will tell. VZW and AT&T can deal with the initial LTE headaches now.
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Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8 | Re: I Wonder Who Is Making The Better Move I believe it's just a software upgrade for the radios to go from their current speeds to HSPA+. | |
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| LTE is not the future yet. It's still only being "tested" and was only tested for a few months by VZW.
WiMaxx is where everything is right now. Sprint and Clear are the only ones that have a 4g network in the United States and they are promoting the hell out of that.
Everyone else is playing "oh if we wait we can still get customers because our technology will be newer" bull shit.
TM made a great move by putting HSPA+ out there as they'll offer faster speeds than anyone else except where Sprint has 4G.
TM is the only other carrier that is competing. | |
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| | | | Re: I Wonder Who Is Making The Better Move I guess you haven't seen the Wimax (Clearwire) Reviews LMAO
Not even close to 2g speeds ha ha | |
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| Re: I Wonder Who Is Making The Better Move said by openupshop:I guess you haven't seen the Wimax (Clearwire) Reviews LMAO Not even close to 2g speeds ha ha  | |
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| | | | | | Re: I Wonder Who Is Making The Better Move said by Time:said by openupshop:I guess you haven't seen the Wimax (Clearwire) Reviews LMAO Not even close to 2g speeds ha ha I think Time wins this one | |
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| | | | | said by openupshop:I guess you haven't seen the Wimax (Clearwire) Reviews LMAO Not even close to 2g speeds ha ha Here are Clear mobile WiMAX and pre-Wimax results.
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WiMAX *can* do over 5Mbps for some users. The challenge for all 4G carriers will be getting 5+Mbps for *most* users at a distance and with many sharing a site. That will take large backhaul at every site and mimo antennas in order for *most* users to get 5+Mbps. Until 4G matures, it will be hit and miss performance for a while unless you live within LOS of a site. | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: I Wonder Who Is Making The Better Move Where WiMAX currently shines over T-Mo / HSPA+ (and others) is that it is currently available in a few markets, AND is geared directly for data usage.
T-Mobile HSPA+ (AT&T HSPA, VZW EVDO, Sprint EVDO) are primarily geared at mobile handsets. WiMAX does have an advantage of being first out of the gate, and covering areas that many typical 3G carriers don't typically like to support (rural areas) as well as not having those obsurd caps. | |
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kudos:8 | Re: I Wonder Who Is Making The Better Move said by hottboiinnc:Reviews on this website doesn't count. Why? | |
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| | | | | | | Re: I Wonder Who Is Making The Better Move because it doesn't give justice. you don't have everyone on here reviewing companies and their services. Instead its a handful of people and you can't give a company complete review on less than 1/8th of the customer base. | |
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join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
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| Re: I Wonder Who Is Making The Better Move said by hottboiinnc:because it doesn't give justice. you don't have everyone on here reviewing companies and their services. Instead its a handful of people and you can't give a company complete review on less than 1/8th of the customer base. So where would be a valid place to get free reviews?
Are you going to send a letter to every WiMax customer for me for free?
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| | | |  sapoCruising Down Memory LanePremium
join:2002-09-16
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kudos:1 | Haha, how do you think statistics and polls work. By asking every single person? no, never with something this large. A sample is a perfectly fine representation of a company.
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| I think that T-Mo is making a good decision jumping directly to 21Mbps--they just need to get it rolled out in advance of any solid dates from VZ or AT&T on LTE, in the case of AT&T that should be a no brainer, but not necessarily w/ VZ ...
Mix in a potential end to AT&T exclusivity w/ the iPhone + the "Google Phone" already on their network and the prospect of a GSM/HSPA+ Palm Pre and T-Mo could easily be positioned to have a lock with high speed and business users in the USA. I certainly would go with them.
The biggest draw back to VZ phones is the lack of global interoperability except where you are able to get a model that includes a SIM slot and full GSM/GPRS radio set, which are useless to you in the US. Now we're considering 1xRTT/EVDO/LTE/GSM/GPRS hybrid for a global VZ phone? Blech.
Is LTE going to be the next global standard? That's another question--if HSPA+ @ 21Mbps speeds is going to be the world standard for the next 5 years or so, then T-Mo has advantage there as handset producers will continue to produce GSM first, then EVDO (and now LTE) later. Additionally we shouldn't forget that T-Mo is owned by Deutch Telecom, so they may be able to leverage buying power and/or installation knowledge w/ the 21Mbps HSPA+ | |
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join:2008-01-16
Chandler, AZ | compatibility...? do all phones that att or tmo sells support the new hspa+ upgrades? i'd be reasonably certain that the chipsets have been around, just the carriers never got around to deploying it, but, i have been wrong in the past.
q.
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| Re: compatibility...? said by tubbynet:do all phones that att or tmo sells support the new hspa+ upgrades? i'd be reasonably certain that the chipsets have been around, just the carriers never got around to deploying it, but, i have been wrong in the past. q. The newer WinMo phones (TP2), G1, and MT3G should see speed boosts.
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| | | | Re: compatibility...? Good to know. I enjoy using my G1 and higher speeds would be gravy.
I wonder if they have a deployment schedule? I remember my area (Minneapolis/St. Paul) was one of the first areas to receive the 3G updates. I'm hoping they roll out hspa+ updates soon. | |
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| | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | These devices only support up to 7.2Mbps, so there should be real increase, unless there's an issue with overall capacity.
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join:2002-01-22
00000 | Learned from AT&T's mistake T-Mobile is catching up, and I think this is a smart move for them. They have seen the problems AT&T has had with the iPhone and are already deploying 21 Mbps HSPA+ in preparation for the coming onslaught of smart phone users, before users notice. | |
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| en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
1 edit | Re: Learned from AT&T's mistake I think its less for smartphones (doubtful that we'll see too many 21Mbps phones, let alone 14.4Mbps). Datacards are where the 'big' difference will be.
Since T-Mobile's currentl deployment is relatively small, there's no reason to not deploy HSPA+ 21Mbps. | |
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| | sweet !! This is yet another reason for me to start looking at Tmobile.
Im starting to really hate verizon.
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| | Backhaul? So they are rolling out the technology for 20Mbps+ but will the backhaul really be there? Is the spectrum even there to technically pull that off?
ATT says they are rolling out 7.2M but they don't seem to have the backhaul. No one is posting performance above 3Mbps, no different than first round of 3G.
I also don't see how 10Mbps+ will be consistent over much distance without MIMO antennas.
These high speed 3G speeds claimed sound more like marketing than substance. WiMAX providers were at least wise enough to market real world performance rather than lab performance with ideal conditions. Current WiMAX devices technically can do 15Mbps+ in ideal conditions but they are not marketed that way. | |
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|  tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
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| Re: Backhaul? said by xenophon:So they are rolling out the technology for 20Mbps+ but will the backhaul really be there? Is the spectrum even there to technically pull that off? ATT says they are rolling out 7.2M but they don't seem to have the backhaul. No one is posting performance above 3Mbps, no different than first round of 3G. I doubt the backhaul is there yet. I would wager that they're upgrading the radios first, and that they're going to upgrade the backhauls later. It's cheaper for them to wait on the backhauls til the usage really increases...
As far as spectrum goes, they have enough to work with in the AWS band. They have at least 20mhz, and up to 30mhz in many markets.
I also don't see how 10Mbps+ will be consistent over much distance without MIMO antennas.
These high speed 3G speeds claimed sound more like marketing than substance. WiMAX providers were at least wise enough to market real world performance rather than lab performance with ideal conditions. Current WiMAX devices technically can do 15Mbps+ in ideal conditions but they are not marketed that way.
WiMAX doesn't even need to advertise speed - people will infer that whenever WiMAX advertises "4g". We all know that 3mbps is 3g. People assume that wimax is substantially faster, even when real world speeds currently are only around 4-6mbps...
That said, until there are mimo phones to take advantage of HSPA+, this upgrade is really just future-proofing.
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| Re: Backhaul? said by xenophon:Yea, methinks these 3G upgrades are about managing more users per site, to sustain 1-3Mbps for a larger number of users, rather than to provide much higher performance per user. I'll be surprised to see if they (HSPA providers) allow much more than 3Mbps per user in the end. Higher performance per user is where 4G comes into play - and the logistics to pull that off is even greater. Well, it looks like they are capping the download where i am at. I hit 1.2 meg and it just sits there. Everywhere i go, 24/7, i get a little over 1 meg down. It's possible that they only have one t1 for 3g but even in downtown chicago, same cap. And i am fairly sure downtown chicago has more than 1 t1 per cell.
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| | | Re: ha said by ViviTheMage:T-Mobile needs a bigger data footprint. It's really pathetic. AT&T's is great, and have had no issues with them since I got my iphone 3GS. I'd call ATT 3G footprint 'good' but not great compared to Sprint/Verizon 3G footprint. | |
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| tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
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| said by ViviTheMage:T-Mobile needs a bigger data footprint. It's really pathetic. AT&T's is great, and have had no issues with them since I got my iphone 3GS. Considering TMO is rolling out new 3g in a city every 1.6 days, i'd say their "pathetic" footprint will be very different, very soon. Considering they're 3 YEARS late to the 3g game (thanks federal govt!), and their 3g network is already about 65% the size of ATT's, there's no reason to indicate that by this time next year, T-Mobile's 3g coverage will be any less than ATT's - if not better. Hell, just today, their twitter page announced another 3 cities - Peoria, IL, Bloomington, IL, and Lancaster, PA.
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join:2000-02-24
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| | GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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| said by tiger72:said by ViviTheMage:T-Mobile needs a bigger data footprint. It's really pathetic. AT&T's is great, and have had no issues with them since I got my iphone 3GS. Considering TMO is rolling out new 3g in a city every 1.6 days, i'd say their "pathetic" footprint will be very different, very soon. Considering they're 3 YEARS late to the 3g game (thanks federal govt!), and their 3g network is already about 65% the size of ATT's, there's no reason to indicate that by this time next year, T-Mobile's 3g coverage will be any less than ATT's - if not better. Hell, just today, their twitter page announced another 3 cities - Peoria, IL, Bloomington, IL, and Lancaster, PA. And those footprints when 3G is turned on is gigantic, not just a city, but most surrounding cities!
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join:2001-12-26
Windsor, PA | I do believe most of Harrisburg and State college PA was also in that last deployment... | |
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| | Who Cares? Cricket, Verizon, and then Sprint are the hot items in Philly.
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| | | Re: Who Cares? I care. I just ordered the new Tmobile Tap and will be receiving it tomorrow. I be back then to post what speeds I'm getting.
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