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| Re: Sounds Great said by Gbcue  :Hopefully this will jump T-Mobile from 4th place to 3rd place. Doubtful. Assuming this rumor ever comes to fruition, if the 3rd place carrier sees that t-mobile is gaining traction with this promo, it's highly unlikely that they will sit around and not respond. | |
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| Re: Sounds Great There's a lot of 'assumption' on those statements.
1. AT&T is spinning, but they do have 7.2Mbps available in some areas
2. Most likely - I don't see Sprint doing anything more on 3G, so its off to 4G
3. Similar to Sprint, investing in 4G vs. 3G.
The biggest question for VZW/Sprint will be 4G handsets
Since T-Mobile has AWS spectrum (not recycling existing PCS/cellular), T-Mobile will have an easier time at deploying than AT&T | |
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| Re: Sounds Great ATT won't have those speeds network wide at least until the end of 2011. Knowing ATT it will be 2013. I am still not getting anywhere near 3mbps right now. They can add receivers on towers all they want, but without backhaul capacity it won't matter if they offer it to be 25mbps. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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| Re: Sounds Great Sprint has little/no choice.
EVDO is an end of life product, actually UMTS/HSPA+ is as well, but it has a few billion more subscribers globally, and a bit more money being invested into it.
Face it on EVDO, VZW is going LTE, all the Canadian companies (Bell, Telus, and the regionals) are migrating to HSPA.
Its a convergence of technology towards 3G HSPA and LTE. WiMAX is out there, but doesn't have the same 'big old telco' money following it.
VoIP may change that though. | |
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2 edits | said by Gbcue :10GB, and it's only a soft-cap. Perhaps, but I still fail to understand how it's legal to advertise something as unlimited when it is absolutely NOT unlimited by any definition of the world. (speaking moreso of those who do impose hard caps on unlimited service)
Pretend I'm a car dealer and I advertise, "Today's Special: Buy a new Hyundai and get unlimited free gasoline for one year". So you plunk down your $15-grand and drive it home, then during the month you come in for a fill-up. After 10 gallons, I say no more free gas until next month.
I'd be sued or prosecuted (or both) for false advertising.
So how is it the cell companies can blatantly false advertise, and nobody says or does anything about it? I know their lobbying machine is huge. Apparently having clout and favor with our elected officials enables them to get away with pretty much anything. | |
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1 edit | Re: Sounds Great said by Gbcue :Remember what happened to Crapcast when they advertised unlimited and had a cap... I do. The FCC wagged a finger at them and said, "Naughty, naughty. Now go back to the sandbox and play nice."
I don't recall their being any consequences. | |
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| Re: Sounds Great said by Gbcue :Except now the cap is set at 250GB and we all know it. You've got a point there. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
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| said by rebus9 :Perhaps, but I still fail to understand how it's legal to advertise something as unlimited when it is absolutely NOT unlimited by any definition of the world. (speaking moreso of those who do impose hard caps on unlimited service) It's unlimited in the amount of time that you can use transferring data, just not unlimited data that you can transfer in that time.
Pretend I'm a car dealer and I advertise, "Today's Special: Buy a new Hyundai and get unlimited free gasoline for one year". So you plunk down your $15-grand and drive it home, then during the month you come in for a fill-up. After 10 gallons, I say no more free gas until next month. But they aren't saying unlimited free gasoline... What they are saying is akin to "Unlimited time to haul stuff around but you can only haul up to 10 lbs of stuff"
I'd be sued or prosecuted (or both) for false advertising. Unless it was in the legal fine print...which in most cases it is now. | |
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Redefining Reality
join:2002-04-14
Wyoming, MI
| Re: Sounds Great said by cdru :said by rebus9 :Perhaps, but I still fail to understand how it's legal to advertise something as unlimited when it is absolutely NOT unlimited by any definition of the world. (speaking moreso of those who do impose hard caps on unlimited service) It's unlimited in the amount of time that you can use transferring data, just not unlimited data that you can transfer in that time. Look at what whfsdude posted. That sure looks like they're advertising unlimited data transfer to me. (Well, assuming the "used" number goes up corresponding to data transfered.) | |
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| Re: Sounds Great said by ssj4android :said by cdru :said by rebus9 :Perhaps, but I still fail to understand how it's legal to advertise something as unlimited when it is absolutely NOT unlimited by any definition of the world. (speaking moreso of those who do impose hard caps on unlimited service) It's unlimited in the amount of time that you can use transferring data, just not unlimited data that you can transfer in that time. Look at what whfsdude posted. That sure looks like they're advertising unlimited data transfer to me. (Well, assuming the "used" number goes up corresponding to data transfered.) That's not an advertisement. That's from My.T-Mobile.
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| said by rebus9 :said by Gbcue :10GB, and it's only a soft-cap. Perhaps, but I still fail to understand how it's legal to advertise something as unlimited when it is absolutely NOT unlimited by any definition of the world. (speaking moreso of those who do impose hard caps on unlimited service) T-Mobile is definitely closest to providing unlimited, since they only rate-cap you (supposedly) if you hit the limit. That said, they are only selling "access", and you have unlimited "access" each month.
Remember back when AOL offered "20 free hours!" of internet access? Well wireless companies are offering unlimited access, but limiting how much consumption there can be during that period of access.
That's how they can argue (successfully) for data caps.
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| Re: Sounds Great It turns out there is a reason that T-M is going with the $50 plan other than no-contract/PAYG (which, as most of us are aware, has been a smash for not just companies like Tracfone, but even AT&T Mobility and VZW, which are also major players in no-contract); there's also Sprint's Any Mobile Anytime (unlimited calls to any other mobile phone in the US, regardless of carrier) and VZW's forthcoming Storm Refresh (AKA Storm 2) wiith integrated wifi (and tetherable). | |
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| said by rebus9 :Pretend I'm a car dealer and I advertise, "Today's Special: Buy a new Hyundai and get unlimited free gasoline for one year". So you plunk down your $15-grand and drive it home, then during the month you come in for a fill-up. After 10 gallons, I say no more free gas until next month. I'd be sued or prosecuted (or both) for false advertising. That was pretty much Chrysler's gimmick during 2008, with the 2.99 a gallon guarantee. Fine print says only for 12,000 miles a year though. Pretty much the same thing you're talking about. | |
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2 edits | Re: Sounds Great said by truth :That was pretty much Chrysler's gimmick during 2008, with the 2.99 a gallon guarantee. Fine print says only for 12,000 miles a year though. Pretty much the same thing you're talking about. Did Chrysler advertise it as unlimited gallons at $2.99? I can understand the need for a limit, since the potential for abuse is huge. My problem isn't imposing limits-- even if it's in the fine print.
My problem is them specifically using the word "unlimited" when it is not.
To the poster who said "unlimited" referred to the amount of time you can spend downloading, not the amount of data transferred.... in the absense of user-controllable rate limiting, that argument doesn't hold up. If there is no way for me to slow down the pipe, then there is no way for me to transfer for an unlimited time without exceeding the cap.
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NyQuil Kid
8f The Nyquil Kid
join:2001-01-06
Brick, NJ | I think they define "unlimited usage" not in terms of quantity, but in terms of services - you can do email, web surfing, music download, texting...etc....
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| said by rebus9 :said by Gbcue :10GB, and it's only a soft-cap. Pretend I'm a car dealer and I advertise, "Today's Special: Buy a new Hyundai and get unlimited free gasoline for one year". So you plunk down your $15-grand and drive it home, then during the month you come in for a fill-up. After 10 gallons, I say no more free gas until next month. I'd be sued or prosecuted (or both) for false advertising. It's really quite simple. In your smallest fine print, state "Buyer agrees to receive a maximum of 10 gallons a month, after which, buyer agrees to accept unlimited gasoline refills, but only one eyedropper at a time. Buyer may only receive one eyedropper per visit to the dealershop, M-F 8am to 8.05am only."
And there you have it, unlimited gas for a year! But only a 1/2 cupful at a time. | |
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join:2008-03-18
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| $50 is a horrible idea for the carrier if its true $50 is actually below their current ARPU from what I understand. Or if it isn't its an awfully low ceiling for a carrier to stomach since it won't be going up in the future.
For the customer of course it's great, low prices is always a good thing
From a "unlimited" perspective atleast Sprint was smart and attached it to their existing "everything" plan, which starts at $69.
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Golden, CO | Millenicom FTW MCom sells a $70 unlimited (no caps) package on Sprint EvDO and T-Mobile HSPA. When they get HSPA+ in my area I'll definitely be sheling out for an aircard and signing up, provided WiMAX doesn't come here first. | |
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join:2003-03-13
Chicago, IL
| WS Depending on what they finally come up with, Wall Street will have the final say on whether it's a good thing or not. Do the wrong thing and have your shares lose value and the shareholders will be banging the CEO's head on the board room table. The price sounds tempting from a consumer point of view, but maybe not so much if you own stock. | |
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kapil
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Chicago, IL
| EngadgetMobile... ...has a good editorial about this.
T-Mo is screwed. It doesn't have enough spectrum - and what little it does have is the crappy leftovers - to compete effectively on a national level with the big 3. Not that it would matter much if it had the spectrum....a build-out would cost money it doesn't have.
So, T-Mo is relegated to competing with the budget providers and regionals. Most of these little guys are CDMA-based...so they aren't a good fit for acquisition by T-Mo either.
T-Mobile needs help from the mother-ship who is already a little preoccupied with troubles elsewhere in its vast network of holdings...and was counting on the US unit to be the growth and revenue driver.
Not to mention, the US regulators wouldn't look too kindly upon a foreign, nationalized, telco setting up shop in the US....especially if T-Mo tries to do what it really needs to compete effectively with VZ, T and S....expand its wireline network so it can quit paying competitors for local access to backhaul wireless traffic.
Acquisition of T-MO USA is not an option...DT doesn't want to give it up, regulators won't approve the transaction...and the only possible suitor could be AT&T, who doesn't want it. It would have to be a deal that involves foreign entities...maybe VZ and Voda will finally part ways and Voda will enter the market on its own? Maybe an Indian or Chinese player?
The $50 plan i a loser for T-Mo...it's a race to the bottom in a game where the bigger players can outlast it...even Sprint, with its own financial woes can crush T-Mo on pricing.
As an aside, it's very telling that AT&T is going to offer an unlimited plan on the prepaid side. The plan only includes voice and sms, no data, and at $60 is more expensive than other options that DO include data. It means that AT&T's internal cost structure is so out of whack that it cannot compete at the $50 price point while making a profit. If it could, it would.
So, T-Mo is fucked unless it spends a lot of cash it doesn't have or finds a sugar momma.
USCellular is the next big story in the wireless space...it needs to grow or sell out. It can't sell because no one is buying CDMA networks...and it's a well run company that won't come at a discount. So, it may try to acquire its way to relevance if it can find the cash....maybe from SK Telecom?
AT&T and VZ are scared....they're being hit from both ends...value customers are going to Boost, Cricket, Metro et al and high volume users are going to Sprint to save money....all while the companies are focused on each other as their perceived nemesis.
Sprint, as I've said before, is sitting pretty...if it can only get out of its own way. That's easier said than done as the company has quite a track record for being its own worst enemy.
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| Rural coverage TMobile is absolutely awful in voice coverage here in Louisiana, but I checked their maps and noticed they have more 3G than Sprint in Louisiana. Sprint is dead last in this area with 3G coverage...
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| $50 everything plan? Forget about it. Forget about that $50 plan. T-Mobile has actually been raising fees and such of late for existing customers. I don't really think they are going to roll out a plan that means spending less $$. They will not do anything that will result in any of the current customers paying less, the idea is to get everybody to pay more.
I'm sure it's some promotional push, but it will not involve current T-Mobile subscribers paying a penny less than they do now. | |
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| Goodbye Verizon Wireless I don't care how fast their data service is, or how low their cap is. I'm looking for an all you can eat plan for me and my wife (mostly voice & sms/mms). It would cost well over $200 a month with Verizon for this same package. Plus once AT&T is no longer exclusive to the iPhone it will be on TMO's network way faster than Verizon's.
At this price I would consider a Blackberry or iPhone. Who in the hell wants to pay the extra $30 a month on Verizon or AT&T for data? | |
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join:2002-11-24
| Re: Goodbye Verizon Wireless You would be better off looking into PagePlus. Unlimited voice/sms for $40. And I believe there is now an option for unlimited data as well. You can use any Verizon phone and it works through Verizons network. I have been using them for the past few months, works great. | |
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| love it if it's true This rumor does seem a little to go to be true. If it is I would welcome it with open arms. I know several people who would have their G1 bill go down if this were true. I can’t imagine a telecom reducing the cost of customers they all ready have. | |
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I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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| $50 Plan I bet we see it but there is no roaming included. Makes sense that way or give some token roaming min per month like USCC does on their regional plans, then the plan simply competes with the Cricket, MetroPCS, Boost Unlimited and the likes however with a better phone selection. | |
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join:2003-12-20
Ottawa, ON | As a Canadian, I envy you guys... You guys have so much better out there, it's not even funny. Wel'll have a 4th carrier soon but the other three are causing problems because "apparently", the investment is not "Canadian"...
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8f The Nyquil Kid
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Brick, NJ | Don't worry - we're about to adopt your government run health care, which I am sure will go over just as well as they think | |
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Redefining Reality
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