T-Mobile, Google Confirm New Google Phone Nexus One, supported by T-Mobile, on sale January 5 Tipped by Gbcue 
The leaked specs for the upcoming Google phone (aka the "Nexus One") already indicated that the device was designed specifically for T-Mobile, though neither Google or T-Mobile confirmed it -- until now. Through information posted on internal T-Mobile systems, the carrier has confirmed that they'll be handling "billing, coverage, features and rate plans" for the new phone, which will go on sale (but only through Google) starting January 5. Google is meanwhile sending out press invites for a January 5 press event. While a lot has been made about how Google hopes to shake up the U.S. wireless industry by selling unsubsidized phones and then letting consumers shop for a carrier, the excitement level drops substantially when the phone involved only really works on one carrier (unless you really enjoy AT&T EDGE connectivity).
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 | | Yikes! said by Main Article :
... unless you really enjoy AT&T EDGE connectivity.
The worst of all worlds. | |
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kudos:8 | Re: Yikes! said by bostonkarl1: said by Main Article :
... unless you really enjoy AT&T EDGE connectivity.
The worst of all worlds. You forgot to add "and dropped calls on AT&T."
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2 edits | Probably works for many Unless you're the goofy nerd who lives on DSLR, a lot of people probably won't mind.
I love all things tech, but from the POV of a business person, I just care about my corporate Outlook mail and some light web browsing. Considering I work for a multibillion multinational corporation, I'm sure there are many others out there just like me.
My T-Mobile BB is just fine with me. | |
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| | | | T-Mobile has poor connectivity for me, here. No 3G at all, and bad coverage on what remains.
I use AT&T, even though I have a Cliq (Unlocked, of course). Use WiFi at work and home, where I am 90% of the time. | |
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| Re: Probably works for many I don't doubt it. My TM BB doesn't get a very good signal in my office. But, I get otherwise very good service with almost no dropped calls everywhere else. I left Sprint and ATT many years ago because of dropped calls. Never have/had that issue with TM.
I'm certain service quality varies based on carrier/location/etc. | |
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| tmo 3g So, it will use t-mobile 3g. For you at&t users, it means you wont have any dropped calls and 3g speeds will be pretty good. T-mobile 3g may not be as large as at&t right now, but i get 3g a lot, get good constant speeds, and have yet to drop a call on 3g. (or 2g too.) With tmo launching 7.2 Mb or something, it will be sweet! Every time my brother calls me from his iphone or att blackjack,, it always drops.
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Yeah my brother uses the iPhone on AT&T. He has coverage everywhere but calls always drop.
He brags about 850 MHz 3G but his calls still drop and his data sessions love to hang when he tries to show off his apps to me.
Once T-Mobile launches simultaneous voice/data HSPA + 21 Mbps it's game over here in SoCal unless Clear/Sprint decide to compete with their WiMax down here. | |
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| I would love HSPA + 21 but i got my touch pro2 not too long ago and i don't feel like getting a new phone yet. 7 meg is plenty fast for me for now. I can already get simultaneous voice/data now with 3g. If your on 3g, you can do that already. (That is VERY nice! Keeps instant message apps like facebook chat online when you get a call)
They just need to expand 3g to their entire network. Out here in northern Illinois, they did upgrade from gprs to edge. Yeah, it's not 3g, but edge is still a LOT better than gprs! (I-88 from around DeKalb toll plaza west to rock falls was gprs. I Wireless went edge before t-mobile did.) Just recently, tmobile added 3G on I-88 from Orchard Road west to just near dekalb. Getting close!
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| | Just how I like it!
T-Mobile can handle the billing and Google/HTC can handle tech or warranty support.
This is probably the biggets reason Verizon doesn't want it. They like to control the entire mobile eco system. It will be a cold day in hell before they concede to becoming a dumb pipe. That is their worst nightmare.
I'm glad T-Mobile is getting this. Yeah we can use the iPhone but only with EDGE service. Our carrier has supported Android since day one and deserve the cream of the crop.
Whether or not Google or T-Mo does well with this is not my real concern as a customer so all you guys crying how this should have been released with Verizon can stuff it. I just want what works well for me. | |
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kudos:2 | Eh Well, I was hoping for a CDMA2000 version, guess not.
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kudos:8 | Re: Eh said by The Limit:Well, I was hoping for a CDMA2000 version, guess not. Probably not. CDMA is a dying technology.
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kudos:2 | Re: Eh I guess it is considering the major wireless players are running CDMA.
sheesh man, how much of a fanboy are you to T-mobile? All I hear is "robust this" and "robust that". How many times this year has T-mobile had a nation-wide outage? Compare that to Sprint or Verizon, seriously. I don't have a problem with you disliking the other carriers, but T-mobile is not up to snuff.
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kudos:8 | Re: Eh said by The Limit:I guess it is considering the major wireless players are running CDMA. Yeah, like that Verizon, with only 89 million subscribers.
China Mobile (GSM) has over 508 million subscribers. More than the population of the US by almost twice. Now tell me who's a "major wireless player". Vodafone with 428 million subs is also GSM. Telefonica (GSM) has 200m subs. America Movil has 194m GSM subs. Orange (GSM) has 189m subs.
According to WikiPedia, Verizon is 15th in the world on total subscribers. First on the list with CDMA. The total of the first 14 providers subscribers: 2550.032M GSM subscribers
Even the next CDMA provider is 30th on the list. FYI, the list only goes to 30.
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kudos:2 | Re: Eh We are talking about the USA, not other countries. That's comparing apples to oranges. Now if I was traveling, then I would see your point, but at this point in time, I'm not, so what's the big deal about GSM again?
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kudos:8 | Re: Eh Well, if in the US, you add up CDMA vs. GSM, you'll find it's about the same, if not weighted slightly towards GSM.
The thing is, Google wants to sell this phone to as many people as possible so limiting themselves to CDMA will be disaster.
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kudos:2 | Re: Eh I understand what you are saying, I don't mean to limit it to CDMA, but I wish that a CDMA version existed for the majority of users who are stuck on CDMA.
Believe me, I would move over to GSM in a second if I had the chance, but I have to have 3G if I do. AT&T is saving it's dollars and not expanding 3G here where I live, and T-mobile doesn't have any plans in the near future to expand 3G here either.
So, what am I stuck with? Sprint. Sprint has proven it's worth to me in terms of it's 3G service and customer support. If T-mobile had 3G here, I would consider moving to them, but they aren't, so me and the majority of Americans where I live choose to be on Sprint, U.S. Cellular, or Verizon, at least the ones who care about having mobile internet.
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kudos:1 | Google has some specific requirements to take up this phone. If Verizon would go for it then make no mistake that Google will partner up with them. Verizon is basically building Android up at the moment.
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| | | | | | | | | RIM isn't limiting themselves by opening their Blackberry devices to CDMA, they are opening up door's to millions of potential American customer's. I honestly could CARE less about GSM coverage in China and the UK. Why? Because I live here in the US, not in China, not in the UK. CDMA being the dominant 3G coverage king in America. CDMA also performs MUCH better, you can read up on that at howardforums.com, GSM was never designed for rural area's like we have in America, CDMA was designed from the ground up for rural area's though. And I am not a CDMA or GSM fan, because my primary phone is iDEN :O
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| Regardless of how much it's used, it's still a dying technology. All of the carriers in Canada that used it are in the process of phasing it out, and the US carriers that use it will probably start to phase it out as well with their next major network upgrades. | |
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| | price is the deciding factor for me price will be the deciding factor for me i will get two of them for $99 | |
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kudos:8 | Re: I'll be buying on day 1 said by djeremy:My G1, even with it's wonderful CM mod, can be slow to the point I want to throw it over the Bay Bridge. I'm really happy this is coming with T-Mo 3G frequencies because so far, I've had a wonderful experience (3G speed/reception and customer service) with Android OS minus the crappy HTC hardware. Buying on Day 1? Did you get an invite?
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| correct me if i'm wrong but... standardization between carriers is the reason phones are not compatible.
obviously to an extent this is going to happen because of cramped spectrum but couldn't the carriers work to get on the same technology? at least come up with a plan to work towards that?
oh wait that would be a bit too pro-consumer.
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The problem is that VZ and Sprint are sticking with CDMA (I'm sure that the cost to switch is one of the reasons, but I do think a large one is all about control and making sure your customers have to pay you for just about everything regarding cell service), which is somewhat rare outside of the USA last I looked. T-Mobile and AT&T are using the same tech that most of the world uses. Unfortunately, the FCC assigned T-Mo USA a little used UTMS band. IIRC, just about all the cell carriers in the rest of the world have no problems sharing the same frequency band, so I don't know why it wasn't done here.
The only other way I can think of right now is for the manufactures to include radios that cover all the bands or have multiple radios for each band. This would increase the price and probably size of the phones, but it can be done and would make a single phone usable across the bulk of the GSM carriers in the USA and potentially the world.
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| | | | | Re: correct me if i'm wrong but... said by JTC:The only other way I can think of right now is for the manufactures to include radios that cover all the bands or have multiple radios for each band. This is exactly what I've been saying all along. Why not build in support for every band on your equipment? If you're an OEM, why would you limit yourself to just one or two major carriers in the US when you could conceivably support anyone who owns spectrum? Are additional radio modules really that expensive or difficult to integrate, even if most of them are to remain deactivated? The Touch Pro2 has CDMA and GSM radio capabilities, so it's obviously not impossible to shoehorn at least two transceivers into a small package.
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kudos:2 | Re: correct me if i'm wrong but... As does the Blackberry Storm. It's not that difficult to do a multiband multimode phone (remember the old GAIT phones, GSM/TDMA/Analog) but it is expensive. | |
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| Re: correct me if i'm wrong but... i was referring to requiring the carriers to all agree on a standard. the consumer should not have to bend to the will of the carrier.
there is no reason why they all cannot run the same protocol (not sure what gsm/cdma/etc all fall into)
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| Re: correct me if i'm wrong but... Same protocol, yes...if you pay a cool few billion to convert the CDMA networks to HSPA (not worth converting to GSM, that's a dead tech)...
...oh wait, the Nexus One won't work on HSPA 850/1900 networks. Guess you hav eto do "legacy" GSM for this new device. Add another few billion in for that.
There are three bands in use for US cellular service, 850, 1900 and 1700 (AWS). There are three bands abroad (outside North America): 900, 1800 and 2100. So you'd need a six-band phone to get service on all bands...while this is possibly, apparently it's too expensive for the Nexus One. | |
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| | | | said by JTC:The only other way I can think of right now is for the manufactures to include radios that cover all the bands or have multiple radios for each band. This would increase the price and probably size of the phones, but it can be done and would make a single phone usable across the bulk of the GSM carriers in the USA and potentially the world. Motorola announced just recently that they are developing exactly what you described. A radio that would support the 3G bands of both T-Mobile and AT&T. However, it would be up to the phone manufacturers to purchase the radios. I would assume Motorola would include it in their phones once it is ready.
See the story here
»mobile.engadget.com/2009/12/10/m···obile-u/
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I really like the android OS, but putting it on a 'gimped' phone really dampens my desire to spend money on it.
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| | | | Re: Another good device, cut off at the legs... said by JTC:I really like the android OS, but putting it on a 'gimped' phone really dampens my desire to spend money on it. There are plenty of people, like me, who would disagree with your statement and tell you that they hate having a physical keyboard and would rather get either a thinner handset overall, or for the manufacturer to take the extra space that would have been wasted on a keyboard and allocate it for additional battery capacity. Seriously, I've owned half a dozen phones with full keyboards and I'd still take the virtual keyboard on my Hero over all of them any day.
"Po-tay-to, po-tah-to" though I guess.
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1 edit | This, along with the fact that it's GSM and not CDMA, is a dealbreaker for me. T-Mobile coverage was spotty in this area a few years ago. I've never had a dropped call with VZW since switching years ago. I absolutely can't stand touchscreens.
I'll be getting a second Motorola Droid for another family member when the BB 8330 I gave them eventually dies since a) it's on VZW, and b) it has a real keyboard - though the 8330 is damn near indestructible. It's been dropped, thrown, washed, etc. - and it still works like it did on day one (though i did have to rip it open and replace the shell).
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1 edit | I was anti-'soft keyboard' too, but now, after about a month, I'm not looking back.
The ONLY thing that I would need a physical keyboard for, would be for SSH. The soft keyboard just takes up too much space to view a shell correctly.
I don't SSH with my phone anyway. If my work needs me to do something on my time off, they are paying me the time it takes to return home to fix the problem 
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1 edit | Worldwide Audience Not only will it work on T-Mobile's robust 3G network in the US, it'll work on most 3G GSM carriers worldwide.
Google probably purposely didn't put AT&T 3G radios because they didn't want the users to have a poor user experience because T-Mobile works so well.
You've got to think about that. USA is just a small piece of the pie compared to the rest of the world.
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kudos:2 | Re: Worldwide Audience Or Google is in bed with T-Mobile and wants the device tow ork on their network at the expense of most people in North America. The Nexus One will also not work on the "Big Three" in Canada, nor will it work on Mexico's GSM 3G networks. | |
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kudos:8 | Re: Worldwide Audience said by iansltx:Or Google is in bed with T-Mobile and wants the device tow ork on their network at the expense of most people in North America. The Nexus One will also not work on the "Big Three" in Canada, nor will it work on Mexico's GSM 3G networks. It will work on WindMobile in Canada.
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1 edit | said by Gbcue:Not only will it work on T-Mobile's robust 3G network in the US, it'll work on most 3G GSM carriers worldwide. Google probably purposely didn't put AT&T 3G radios because they didn't want the users to have a poor user experience because T-Mobile works so well. You've got to think about that. USA is just a small piece of the pie compared to the rest of the world. This is the most unfanboyish statement I have ever read on DSLReports. | |
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kudos:6 | Re: Worldwide Audience Gbcue trolls with the whole "T-Mobile robust 3g network" thing all the time. Ignore it and move on. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Worldwide Audience I loled at this, because it's SO true. | |
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College Station, TX | RE Lest we forget, Japan uses W-CDMA, so I doubt very seriously that CDMA is dead. | |
| | | | Re: RE True...but...their W-CDMA technology is unique to Japan. Also most japanese phones do not work outside japan and japan has NO I repeat NO GSM service. Also japanese phones are designed specifically to work on japanese networks. It is highly doubtful that Google will put the Nexus One on the japanese market. However they will probably put it on the chinese market. CDMA is dying. Even the CDMA tech in japan is not like the CDMA here. It's TDMA based. | |
| | | | | Re: RE said by BPLSUCKS9:True...but...their W-CDMA technology is unique to Japan. [rest snipped]
 Dude, you probably need some coffee.
(Typing this from a hotel room in Narita.)
W-CDMA refers to the air interface most commonly used in UMTS. NTT DoCoMo was the first in the world to use W-CDMA in its 3G FOMA service, but the draft specification initially used was not 100% compatible with the final UMTS spec. It has since been brought up to standard.
There are 3 major mobile phone carriers in Japan: SoftBank, NTT DoCoMo and KDDI. All SoftBank (formerly Vodafone Japan, formerly J-Phone) and DoCoMo 3G phones support W-CDMA and can be used overseas (with the possible exception of North America, where UMTS 2100 is not used, but this depends entirely on the handset). For its au 3G network, KDDI uses CDMA2000, just like Sprint and Verizon in the US. Even some au phones support GSM roaming (just like some VZW phones do). But unlike Sprint and Verizon phones, all au phones use smart cards that are similar to the SIMs used in GSM and UMTS phones.
And no, W-CDMA is not based on TDMA.
au is the second biggest 3G network in Japan, after DoCoMo. CDMA2000 is alive and well in Japan, although KDDI did announce their decision to adopt LTE as the upgrade path.
I use T-Mobile and love GSM and UMTS/HSPA/etc, but I have nothing against CDMA2K. It works well in certain regions and that's good. I did get a chuckle last week when the guy sitting next to me on the plane said his Verizon phone had 'no signal' when we arrived in Singapore 'but it worked in Tokyo', whereas my Dash 3G works in every country on the planet that has mobile phone service. Swapped in a prepaid SingTel SIM, and I had 3G Internet access at reasonable rates. Try doing that with a CDMA phone. | |
| | | | | | Re: RE OK, so what are the chances that the Nexus One will come to Japan? If not au, then at least one of the other 2. Or will we be stuck with that shitty old HTC from Docomo if we want Android? | |
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