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T-Mobile: If Our Network Is So Bad, Why Did AT&T Try to Buy It?
T-Mobile Gets Punchy in Marketing Feud With AT&T
by Karl Bode 06:25PM Thursday Mar 07 2013
T-Mobile has fired off a flurry of barbs at AT&T, after the company this week ran ads taking pot shots at the T-Mobile network. Those ads claim T-Mobile's network suffers from twice as many dropped calls, twice as many failed calls, and 50% slower speeds than AT&T's network.

T-Mobile has since countered with a series of ads that respond with barbs like "if AT&T thought our network wasn't great, why did they try to buy it" and "What keeps AT&T up at night? Apparently us." The ads are quite punchy for a company that just a year ago was happily repeating AT&T's lies that the elimination of T-Mobile would magically create more market competition, not less.

Granted, AT&T was primarily interested in eliminating T-Mobile from the market while scoring some key regional spectrum, not T-Mobile's entire network, but hey -- what's one fib in the world of marketing. One of the new ads:
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88615298
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They didn't want your network

They wanted your customer base.

TriForce

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Re: They didn't want your network

said by 88615298:

They wanted your customer base.

They also wanted their spectrum and to eliminate competition.

Sr Tech
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Re: They didn't want your network

said by TriForce:

said by 88615298:

They wanted your customer base.

They also wanted their spectrum and to eliminate competition.

Agreed with both answers, such as why sprint bought Nextel. Customer base and convert Nextel to their base for revenue.

ATT the Borg, T-Mobile will be assimilated as a collective for ATT pockets.
Kearnstd
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hit it on the head, spectrum and customers are the value items to the company.

On a side note the AT&T ads note that failed calls include blocked calls. Except a blocked call is not really a failed call. The call did complete and the system rejected it so the other end never rang. But the call itself did not fail due to a network issue.
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moonpuppy

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said by 88615298:

They wanted your customer base.

O.k. you know this. I know this. Most of the people that frequent this site know this. The VAST majority of people in the real world DON'T know this.
Gandalf4503

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Honestly...

I laughed. All the hub-bub aside, this is an amusing exchange.

IowaCowboy
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CDMA is a better network

I had AT&T for six years and their call quality is not that great. When I had Verizon back in Iowa, their call quality was comparable to a landline (my phone at the time was a Motorola V60c). AT&T's network seems to have call quality issues.

When I went back to Verizon, I was reminded of my days back in Iowa with the good service and excellent call quality.

Reason I had to deal with AT&T/Cingular: When I moved from Iowa to Mass, VZW had spotty coverage in the northeastern part of Springfield (MA) and zero to 1 bars at my residence. If they would have had network extenders back then, I would have gone the femtocell route.
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I've experienced ImOn (when they were McLeod USA), Mediacom, Comcast, and Time Warner. They are much better than broadcast TV.

I have not and will not cut the cord.

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Re: CDMA is a better network

said by IowaCowboy:

I had AT&T for six years and their call quality is not that great. When I had Verizon back in Iowa, their call quality was comparable to a landline (my phone at the time was a Motorola V60c). AT&T's network seems to have call quality issues.

When I went back to Verizon, I was reminded of my days back in Iowa with the good service and excellent call quality.

Reason I had to deal with AT&T/Cingular: When I moved from Iowa to Mass, VZW had spotty coverage in the northeastern part of Springfield (MA) and zero to 1 bars at my residence. If they would have had network extenders back then, I would have gone the femtocell route.

I have a friend who had AT&T (for as long as he had his number) and recently moved to Verizon (just last weekend). I don't know how he ranks his move (I'm sure it's better for him) but his device pretty much stayed the same. He had an iPhone 4 on AT&T and now has iPhone 5 on Verizon (i mean "same" as in his user experience is the same, obviously he now has LTE).

All I can say is that his voice sounds more garbled to me now than it was before. Somehow, I heard his voice much clearer when he has AT&T (but he also had dropped calls). Now, he sounds just "okay." He's also in NYC (same as me). I have T-Mobile. I feel that folks on T-Mobile have the best sound/call quality (and this is without the HD-Voice that is being rolled out to certain devices such as Samsung Galaxy S3).

I have no complaints with what I got (Nexus 4). Speeds are near 22mbps down/3.5mbps up on my HSPA+ network. Latency is around 35ms.
I can only imagine what is going to happen when T-Mobile rolls out LTE.
AT&T's LTE doesn't hold water against my HSPA+ speeds. Verizon, from my cousin who is on Verizon LTE, is being throttled to a point where the max speeds are near 14-17mbps.

TL;DR: Move along; These are not the droids you were looking for.

Chiggy
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tmh

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If you're on 3G, it's all CDMA now. Specifically, WCDMA.

I do agreee with you that Verizon has better coverage, but it's not because of the air interface standard.
Crookshanks

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In my totally non-scientific experience, T-Mobile had the best call quality on their GSM network at full-rate. Verizon and Sprint were #2, and AT&T was #3 with GSM at half-rate. No idea where AT&T and T-Mobile fall with their new technology and a lot of the difference between them all can doubtless be attributed to the handsets. My Droid-X had infinitely better call quality than my Samsung Nexus, even though both use the exact same (CDMA2000) technology for voice calls.


M42

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You're joking, right? CDMA has the worst call quality due to the way it over compresses voice data and when it's decompressed on your end a lot of quality is lost. I've had CDMA with Verizon and US Cellular and I've had GSM with AT&T (before that Cingular) and now T-Mobile and the difference is clarity is like night and day.

Verizon phones callers always sound like they have a sock over their phone. When somebody calls me from a VW phone I have to turn the volume up to hear them. But when I get a call from an AT&T or T-Mobile user I have to turn it down.

treichhart

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reason why they wanted to buy you out TMOBILE

the reason why ATT wanted to buy you out TMOBILE is because they wanted your customers and more spectrum they can careless about the crappy network DUH!!!

NO to ESPN

@comcast.net

This is Funny Ha Ha

Kinda makes you wonder if the PR department ever talks to the legal department at at&t.

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The truth Tmobile is

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The truth Tmobile is your coverage Fu**ing SUCKS quit wasting money on bull shit and FIX THE DAMN COVERAGE.

CCNnorthcali

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Re: The truth Tmobile is

Upgrading the network in the middle of nowhere would be a waste of money. T-mobile focus their network on metropolitan areas, and they don't make a secret of that.

jchambers28

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Re: The truth Tmobile is

it's the entire state of Arkansas all of the other providers do why not tmobile.

Simba7
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Re: The truth Tmobile is

Same for my state.. We only have at&t, T-Mobile, and Cellular One.

CCNnorthcali

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If all the other providers are competing for service from just a (relative) handful of people, it might be best for them to focus on areas with denser populations. Let AT&T and Verizon compete for the rural subs since they can afford to provide them coverage.

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That was the reason for the purchase of MetroPCS. They will gain a lot more spectrum specifically on the west coast and some on the south tip of Arkansas.

Source: »gigaom.com/2012/10/03/a-birds-ey···etropcs/
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Depends on the area one lives apparently. Here in my area of the Twin Cities MN metro, I get better signal then I ever did with Verizon. Always had dropped calls with Verizon. Not one dropped call yet with T Mobile and 4G speeds are excellent on my Galaxy S 3

Eddy120876

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it remains me of

Two girls fighting over one guy...Girl 1=well if she is so good then why you try to get with...and Girl=2 will be screamin yeah bitch I'm better then you. while the guy is screaming "good God kill me now" LOL

KrK
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T-Mobile's marketing department is awake :D

Good counter strike.

AT&T wanted to eliminate competition.

We all knew that.

Probitas

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why?

The only time any predator wants to attack a rival is to eliminate competition over its food source. Whether to free up more ranging area or simply to allow more variety in what it can devour.

I'd say it's so they can be sole source and jack up rates again. Less choice is NEVER good for a consumer, just look at Microsofts OS.
lemonade

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good argument

I'm pretty happy with Tmobile, especially their pricing, i had them since 2002... I have used ATT for a few years too.
BiggA

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EARTH

Preying on ignorance

They are preying on ignorant people who don't understand how valuable spectrum licenses are, and how valuable the network of sites is. If the networks had been combined, HSPA+ on AT&T&T would have been a force to be reckoned with, with over twice the capacity that AT&T's network currently has, and significantly more than the tower networks alone have, but still having the nationwide coverage of AT&T's network.

That's a pretty dirty advertisement to prey on the ignorant.

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... part 3 next?

YAWN...
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cuz...

we need bandwidth in the worst way!
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Get a computer and text from there Use internet to text!

Why would I want Tmobile 1 bar on 2g, when i can have 3 to 4 nars on 4g with VZ, or AT/t. The reason AT/T wanted you was so they didnt want any competition. My family member has Tmobile and when he is at our household he has to use our Verizon router (2 bars on LTE) just to text! Or he can go to the field across the road and run till he finds a signal. T mobile is begging to get bought due to their sucky network. And even in D.C. you are stuck with 3g or very slow "4g". But i do agree at/t is horror and vz is not pocket savvy.

viperpa33s
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AT&T sucks no matter what

I had AT&T in Georgia and their service wasn't that great. Was sad that they have a AT&T store in town but a lot of the town had sub-par service. Then tell you that you need to buy this device that hooks up to the internet so you can get better service and give us more money a month. Wouldn't it be great that every company was able to get extra money for providing bad service? I always thought there are laws against that?

As far as the T_Mobile ads, I think it's funny seeing billion dollar companies trading spears at each other.