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 ·Time Warner Cable
 ·Verizon FiOS
 ·voip.ms
| Great Seeing they already have a fast 3g (HSPA42) network it wasn't say as urgent as Verizon or Sprint w/ their EvDO networks. Sprint is sucking wind right now. They can't get LTE fast enough--their 3G network is dead.
LTE is great, but I would like to see them eat up EDGE. It is unknown (to me) if they are going to go LTE and supplant EDGE and not grow HSPA, or blanket LTE over HSPA and grow HSPA where coverage is EDGE. They HAVE to get those EDGE networks upgraded, otherwise they will remain a niche player. The fact they have Ghz networks doesn't help either.
That means there are big decisions on the next handset. | |
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@clearwire-wmx.net | Re: Great EDGE is fine if they throw enough timeslots at it. It's the pockets of GPRShell that they need to eliminate. Chop-chop. | |
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| | ssavoyPremium
join:2007-08-16
Dallas, PA | Re: Great No. Edge is not fine for the needs of customers today. | |
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| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | If you throw enough time slots at it, you might as well deploy HSPA+. | |
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|  jgkoltPremium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH | hspa is replacing edge and they are also building out LTE. So when you roll back from LTE to HSPA it will still be speedy. Something you wont see from other carriers. | |
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| | | | Re: Great said by jgkolt:hspa is replacing edge and they are also building out LTE. So when you roll back from LTE to HSPA it will still be speedy. Something you wont see from other carriers.
Yea you will, AT&T has the largest *4G* HSPA+ network which you fall back to from LTE... The majority of T-Mobile's network is GPRS/EDGE..
Verizon won't really be too much of a concern with fallback because everywhere you would lose LTE now you would either have no service or EDGE/GPRS with T-Mobile anyways and they are filling in everything with LTE anyways. | |
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| | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast
| Re: Great Majority by land mass, maybe. But T-Mobile operates a dense network in cities, and as a result the vast majority of their sites do have H+ online.
Building for capacity (what T-Mobile/CricKet/Clearwire/MetroPCS do, and what Sprint does to a large extent...and what other carriers end up doing in cities) is a different animal than building for coverage (what Verizon has done with LTE, and what AT&T/VZW tend to do in rural areas). | |
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| | | | You mean Verizon/Sprint/Cricket.
I don't have that issue on AT&T (American Thieves and Thugs). | |
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·AT&T Southeast
·America Online
| said by jgkolt:hspa is replacing edge and they are also building out LTE. So when you roll back from LTE to HSPA it will still be speedy. Something you wont see from other carriers.
They are not replacing EDGE with HSPA. They are only replacing HSPA with LTE so you will still be dropping to the dreaded EDGE from LTE.
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| | |  tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | Re: Great said by Moropo:said by jgkolt:hspa is replacing edge and they are also building out LTE. So when you roll back from LTE to HSPA it will still be speedy. Something you wont see from other carriers.
They are not replacing EDGE with HSPA. They are only replacing HSPA with LTE so you will still be dropping to the dreaded EDGE from LTE. well, they're *adding* LTE to their HSPA networks. No "replacement" at all...
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| | | BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Exactly. And a lot of areas don't have coverage at all. T-Mobile is a non-story until they build their network WAY out. | |
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| | wondering... Removing contracts is great, but it doesn't follow that consumers will see benefits from that. With the contract at least came the relief that your provider wasn't going to start jacking your rates whenever they felt like it. Now they can do it whenever they like with probably a minimum month notice since essentially you're on a 'contract' that renews monthy.
Remains to be seen how well consumers get treated with this new company direction. | |
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| tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | said by Probitas :Removing contracts is great, but it doesn't follow that consumers will see benefits from that. With the contract at least came the relief that your provider wasn't going to start jacking your rates whenever they felt like it. Now they can do it whenever they like with probably a minimum month notice since essentially you're on a 'contract' that renews monthy.
Remains to be seen how well consumers get treated with this new company direction.
Ask Europeans who have had this form of cellular service since the 1980's...
If T-Mobile suddenly raises your rates (which, as others have pointed out, would be entirely unprecedented) you can port your line to a competitor the very next day. You benefit by having more control over your service.
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"What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning."
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| | | | Re: wondering... said by tiger72:If T-Mobile suddenly raises your rates (which, as others have pointed out, would be entirely unprecedented) you can port your line to a competitor the very next day. You benefit by having more control over your service.
And the key is that the no-contract services comes with an open-handset policy. If you do not finance a handset through T-Mobile, you can switch any time you like.
If you do finance a handset through T-Mobile, the phone financing is on a two-year plan, separately from the cellular service. In other words, after two years, you stop paying for the phone -- whereas you keep paying on a traditional contract plan.
If you don't need to switch phones every two years, then you can reap substantial savings. If you want to bring your own device to T-Mobile, then you can start saving immediately, without even having to wait two years. | |
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Reviews:
·Cincinnati Bell
| GPRS/EDGE Elimination They need to make the upgrade of GPRS/EDGE towers to at least HSPA a priority. This will take far more effort than adding LTE to towers that already have upgraded backhaul. We left T-Mobile for exactly this issue - great service in the city, but unusable smartphone service in GPRS/EDGE areas. | |
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast
| Re: GPRS/EDGE Elimination Yep. This is the same reason that the rest of my immediate family don't have T-Mobile, and the reason I don't have T-Mobile for my main line. We'd probably end up paying $140 per month before taxes (five lines, one with 4.5GB of data, one with 2.5GB, the rest with 500MB), slightly less than we're paying right now split between Sprint and Ting, but for more service. But that doesn't work if you're going from LTE to GPRS in exchange for the price difference (which doesn't account for buying new T-Mobile compatible phones since I'm the only one who has one right now). | |
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 wdoa
join:2001-10-16
Spencer, MA | Still lots of GPRS/EDGE areas T-Mobile over the last few years has been upgrading and then reupgrading very limited areas. If one travels even a mile or two outside of a major or midsize city you are likely going to find yourself on EDGE or worse GPRS. Here in Massachusetts there are some cities in the state that are still GPRS. While it's all well and good to roll out the latest and greatest first in urban areas, they can't just continue to completely ignore vast swathes of populated areas that are still using what amounts to dial up speeds on the T-Mobile network. | |
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| | | Re: Still lots of GPRS/EDGE areas Why not? They have no mandate saying they must cover the entire US. They can cherry pick all they want. There are plenty of people that live in large cities and hardly ever leave. If you want phone service when you travel then you pay someone like Verizon a little extra each month. It would be nice to have it both ways but we aren't there yet.
The thing I'm most excited about is the new phones. The S4 is suppose to be compatible with all LTE bands. That means I can finally go from Verizon to AT&T / T-Mobile if I really want. | |
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| | | | Re: Still lots of GPRS/EDGE areas Funny they claim to have a nationwide 4g network on all there TV ads. | |
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| | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Good luck with that. The Verizon S4 will probably have AWS LTE, so you can take it to T-Mobile after unlocking it, as will the AT&T one. However the VZW edition won't have AT&T's 700 band support, nor will the AT&T one have Verizon's 700. | |
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|  DrModemPremium
join:2006-10-19
USA
kudos:1 | I live in area that is served by both verizon and AT&T lte and sprint 3G, but tmobile is still on 2G for the entire area. And this is not a low population area... | |
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| | prepaid ? do prepaid(monthly4G) customers get access to LTE? | |
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: prepaid ? Monthly4G? Yes. Go Smart Mobile? No. | |
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| | What can edge do today? Besides take phone calls, text and check email? | |
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rebus9
join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·Bright House
| Very happy with their 4G speeds even without LTE Even in the absence of LTE, my 4G hotspot from T-Mobile that I carry around with my laptop gives me very respectable speeds. It's not uncommon to see in the vicinity of 10/1.5 or 10/2 in good coverage areas (every bit as good, or better than my 10/1 Road Runner at home) and even in the 3/.75 to 6/1 range indoors and along the fringes. Sometimes higher.
At $25/month for 1.5 GB data (more than I ever use) they get 2 thumbs up from me.
Once LTE lands here, it'll simply be a case of good getting even better. | |
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Reviews:
·Google Voice
·Junction Networks
·Callcentric
 ·T-Mobile US
·AT&T U-Verse
|  No coverage for most of I-80 and I-70 in multiple states.
BTW, AT&T didn't have any coverage in Nevada or Wyoming on I-80, either, so, it's not like AT&T is any better. But I did learn that my T-Mobile SIMs can roam on AT&T's HSPA sometimes, too (only one very minor portion of the trip, for the rest, there was either no AT&T, or it was EDGE).
Any way to get GSM or UMTS data coverage on interstate road trips for the whole trip? Who need voice roaming? People need data! | |
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