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T-Mobile LTE Reaches 154 Deployed Markets
by Karl Bode 08:29AM Monday Sep 16 2013
T-Mobile says they've deployed the faster new LTE service in a total of 154 markets, pulling the company past Sprint's LTE deployment (with 151 markets at last count). According to this LTE deployment fact sheet provided by T-Mobile, T-Mobile LTE now covers roughly 180 million potential customers, up from the 157 million people and 116 metropolitan areas the company provided with LTE back in July. T-Mobile had previously stated they hope to offer LTE in 200 markets, covering roughly 200 million potential customers, by the end of this year.

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IPPlanMan
Holy Cable Modem Batman

join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1

Go T-Mobile!

T-Mobile really is flying.

This shows how slow Sprint's network upgrade initiative is going.

Still no Sprint LTE officially launched in DC.

CCNnorthcali

join:2004-03-07
San Francisco, CA

Re: Go T-Mobile!

I do wonder what is holding Sprint up. T-mobile and Sprint are both replacing all of the equipment on the towers they are upgrading, so it would seem to reason that they would have similar deployment times. Unless it is backhaul slowing Sprint down (which T-mobile already had plenty of in place), I don't understand why they're taking so long.

davoice

join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC

Re: Go T-Mobile!

What's slowing Sprint down? 1) backhaul, 2) consolidating equipment, 3) spectrum allocation.

Sprint had a dearth of T1 fed towers. They were late in the game to converting them to fiber and they're more reliant on third parties to provide it. Verizon and AT&T have large swaths of in-territory towers where they can run their own fiber. Plus remember Verizon made a pact w/ the cable companies - who are Verizon's go-to resource for fiber and coax to their cell towers where Verizon doesn't already have fiber nearby.

Sprint tower upgrades are complicated by the fact that they aren't just upgrading their existing base stations with a software or hardware upgrade, they're effectively changing out to a new platform altogether. They are moving to a whole new base station architecture (because what they had was not aging so gracefully) and the new architecture even applies to legacy service - i.e. 1XRTT and EVDO.

Lastly, in many markets, Sprint is having to refarm spectrum as they go. There's the 800/850Mhz from Nextel, 2.5Ghz from Clearwire/et al, and and existing 1.9Ghz PCS spectrum from their core holdings.

All those together mean Sprint has way more moving parts in their LTE upgrade than the other 3 carriers.

}Davoice

CCNnorthcali

join:2004-03-07
San Francisco, CA

Re: Go T-Mobile!

Point taken, however most of those apply to T-mobile as well. T-mobile is replacing everything on every LTE tower and refarming their spectrum at the same time (new HSPA+ on 1900Mhz and new LTE on AWS, while shifting around existing GSM and HSPA+). They also don't have their own fiber networks to tap into. So While I understand that's slowing Sprint down, it still seems to be taking excessively long.
en103

join:2011-05-02
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable

Re: Go T-Mobile!

I agree - I suspect that T-Mobile's HPSA+ had already backhauled, while Sprint's EVDO was still on T1 in many areas (could be wrong).
On a side note - didn't Sprint actually 'own' many of its cell sites (vs. colo or use American Tower/Crown Castle) ? This may be hurting them (i.e. Colo'd site = most likely fiber nearby or pulled to the site, while an 'owned' site = pull it in yourself or microwave.)

tiger72
SexaT duorP
Premium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1

STL!

Looks like they launched a bunch of markets over Labor Day weekend. Was a great present getting back from a trip and seeing LTE pop up on my N4 here in Saint Louis. While the initial coverage is a bit spotty, the area of coverage is pretty large already. Unfortunately they don't have any good coverage maps detailing exactly where LTE coverage extends.

Until then, the crowdsourced maps at »sensorly.com/map/4G/US/USA/T-Mob···e_310260 aren't bad.

We've been the largest TMO spectrum-starved market until the Leap-TMO spectrum swap last year. Glad to see the efforts of all of those spectrum swaps coming to fruition!
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-United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara

jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI

Re: STL!

said by tiger72:

Until then, the crowdsourced maps at »sensorly.com/map/4G/US/USA/T-Mob···e_310260 aren't bad.

Doesn't much reflect the reality I've experienced, Sprint vs. TMO, on 2G/3G, in my area.

Jim

tiger72
SexaT duorP
Premium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1

Re: STL!

Since they're crowdsourced, only contributions are showing up. If no one in your area contributes on your chosen carrier(s) (ie by installing the sensorly app) then you won't see accurate mapping. Since it's device based, rather than relying on the carriers, it's more accurate as long as people in your area use it.
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"What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning."
-United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara
bronxlcsw

join:2005-09-21
Bronx, NY
Hey back in the day art had this cutting edge technology called pocketnet. The device was black and white and you got always on internet at the then blazing fast 56k per second so getting 512 today is ten times faster

CCNnorthcali

join:2004-03-07
San Francisco, CA
St Louis is really going to be seeing better service on T-mobile with the additional spectrum. It seems that they are conservative in the first few months after rolling out LTE in a market, and that coverage gets better over time.

jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI

High-Speed Wireless Is All Well And Good, But...

I'd prefer to see them spend a bit more investment on expanding their footprint. Not all of us spend all our time in metropolitan areas or large town areas. At the same time: I understand the market dynamics: The higher-population centers are where the return on investments are.

So far I'm pleased with T-Mobile, but I suspect I'm going to be unhappy the first time I travel.

Jim
NuShrike

join:2010-09-01

Re: High-Speed Wireless Is All Well And Good, But...

I'd say just get a prepaid hotspot/phone for the areas you're traveling through, but stay with carrier that's best for where you live. Same as if you're going to travel a foreign country.

jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI

Re: High-Speed Wireless Is All Well And Good, But...

said by NuShrike:

I'd say just get a prepaid hotspot/phone for the areas you're traveling through, but stay with carrier that's best for where you live. Same as if you're going to travel a foreign country.

That doesn't quite have the convenience and features of your own swifty-nifty "smart"phone and associated plan on your carrier-of-choice, tho, does it?

We'll work it out. And, since 99-44/100% of my airtime is spent here, rather than elsewhere, I chose the service that made the most sense for where I spend all that time.

Still... it would be nice if T-Mobile had better coverage in more places.

Europe I'm not worried about. That was one reason for the unlocked GSM phones. When we go, we'll just get pre-paid SIMs on whatever network best suits there.

Jim
BR549
Premium
join:2005-05-19
Commerce, GA
Since Tmo roams on ATT for voice and text I haven't found travel to be too inconvenient.
I was thinking about getting a freedompop as a back up for mobile data but Sprint is also lacking any coverage near my second home.

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

4G how about ANY G

All T-Mobile has in my area is roaming which they are probably doing off at&t so why wouldn't I just get service from them? Until T-mobile actually steps up to the plate then can STFU already. They hope to cover 200 million? Oh so their goal it to leave over 35% of the US out.

CCNnorthcali

join:2004-03-07
San Francisco, CA

Re: 4G how about ANY G

If T-mobile doesn't have coverage in your area, then they are not targeting you as a customer. It's one of the reasons they cost less.

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Re: 4G how about ANY G

It's the major reason why they are in last place. If I'm not a targeted customer than quit showing me ads on TV in print or on the web.

jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI

Re: 4G how about ANY G

said by 88615298:

It's the major reason why they are in last place.

Apparently you missed last week's (?) news? TMO is adding new subs faster than any of the other three.

said by 88615298:

If I'm not a targeted customer than quit showing me ads on TV in print or on the web.

Oh for God's sake: Give it a rest already. I can't get the burgers Paris Hilton modeled for Carl's, either. You won't find me going about whinging about how Carl's and Paris were unfairly teasing me.

Jim

cb14

join:2013-02-04
Miami Beach, FL
Not necessarily. they could also roam on Verizon's GSM overlay or with some other smaller carriers.
But one thing is correct- TMO is not really a rural carrier

chip89
Premium
join:2012-07-05
Independence, OH

Update

Sprint has got back the lead from t- mobile! »newsroom.sprint.com/news-release···734546=1

IPPlanMan
Holy Cable Modem Batman

join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1

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Re: Update

Still no LTE officially launched by Sprint in DC... Not sure what they're doing, but whatever it is, it isn't working. Hopeless.

chip89
Premium
join:2012-07-05
Independence, OH

Re: Update

Still no Lte in Cleveland. So that makes two of us.

delusion ftl

@comcast.net
If by lead you mean launching dozens of small town markets to keep the launched markets number high and impressive while large population ones flounder, then yes.
biochemistry
Premium
join:2003-05-09
92361

Re: Update

At least they aren't ignoring small town markets unlike TMobile.

delusion ftl

@comcast.net

Re: Update

True, but it leaves a majority portion of their users in the cold. You would not believe the massive amount of port outs happening at sprint right now. I thought that 800smr would slow it, and the lte they have done so far, but it's like a steady stream of ports, and not just out to t-mo, vzw is taking just as many. I would not expect good news come q3 results.
briand805

join:2002-10-05
Hesperia, CA

worse than dialup

I average a massive 0.20 Mbps down on my note 2 and gs3 here in the victorville/ Hesperia area of california. I dont even bother trying to use data until i get home to my wifi. Thanks T-Mobile!

CCNnorthcali

join:2004-03-07
San Francisco, CA

Re: worse than dialup

Are you throttled? That doesn't sound right.
briand805

join:2002-10-05
Hesperia, CA

Re: worse than dialup

not being throttle never have according to tmobile. We don't even come close to 1/5 of our data plan. Have gone back and fourth with tmobile over this for over a year. At one point we received a discount. We were told basically the service here is that bad. 92344-92345 area.
We recently took a trip and i was getting lte speeds in several locations just passing through on the freeway. Hell i wish we had 4g speeds.

CCNnorthcali

join:2004-03-07
San Francisco, CA

Re: worse than dialup

Weird because I haven't had speeds that bad the few times I've been in Victorville. It almost sounds like you're on Edge (220kbps being about the max).

delusion ftl

@comcast.net
I just went through victorville a month ago. I had 3+megabit speedtests in several areas there.

But i'm all about finding the carrier that works best in the places you live and visit. If t-mobile is not that carrier then you should switch. Seriously, as in today. Sell your GS3 and note2, pay off the etf and sign up for Sprint/ATT/VZW, whichever one works for you.
briand805

join:2002-10-05
Hesperia, CA

Re: worse than dialup

Ive lived here for 5 years now and have never seen that. I have actually gone to different areas in town and tested. Perhaps they have upgraded some areas. None were I have been.

delusion ftl

@comcast.net

Re: worse than dialup

Well if you feel like waiting a few more months t-mobile should be rolling metro pcs' LTE, which is in your area, into the fold. They have already combined LTE in vegas.

delusion ftl

@comcast.net

Re: worse than dialup

On your note 2, you can dial *#BAND# and choose LTE Band Pref, then choose lte band 4, then wait around 20 seconds and see how many bars show on your signal indicator (It likely wont be able to connect but it will show the strength of metro's LTE). Remember to set the mode back to automatic afterwards (menu key, back, menu key, back)

w0g
o.O

join:2001-08-30
Springfield, OR
Sounds like you connect with EDGE/2.5G. T-Mobile sucks because a large part of their network is only GSM/EDGE, which connects at 200Kbps. In my case, it does this in all non-major cities and freeway areas, and I found my phone behaves like it doesn't even have internet in those areas. Like Google Maps, Google Play, email, NOTHING actually loads because EDGE is so slow and congested.. fuck.

Now in major city areas, I get 4G HSPA+ and LTE, upto 30Mbps down and 16Mbps up. They don't list it, but Springfield/Eugene OR also have LTE and have for months (but not full coverage; it's spotty, off and on here and there; otherwise it goes back to 4G HSPA+, which is fast, 10-15Mbps down / 6 Mbps up).
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TestBoy
Premium
join:2009-10-13
Irmo, SC
kudos:1

Heh... where?

Confirming... No LTE in the Columbia, SC metro area.
I went around with an HTC one (T-Mobile variant)
And no.... it's not here.

Calling BS... it's probably turned up on one cell site someplace.

CCNnorthcali

join:2004-03-07
San Francisco, CA

Re: Heh... where?

Sometimes the APN settings need to be changed (although they shouldn't). Make sure fast.t-mobile.com is entered as the APN.
WhyMe420
Premium
join:2009-04-06
kudos:1

Re: Heh... where?

I actually get better speeds with epc.tmobile.com (though I'm on an iPhone 4S.)

Anons

@mchsi.com

Southern Illinois

I hope T-mobile will expand into Southern Illinois in the near future.
Bob61571

join:2008-08-08
Washington, IL
Reviews:
·MTCO Communicati..
·DIRECTV
·Frontier Communi..

Re: Southern Illinois

Per website, Southern Il largest good coverage in Metro East area. Otherwise, limited to areas near Mt. Vernon, Centralia, Effingham, Salem, Flora, Vandalia,

Lots of areas with No Service. T-Mobile has lots of areas with No Service throughout rural Illinois, from north to central to south. T-Mobile is the worst of the Big 4 wireless companies, for rural coverage coast-to-coast.
BR549
Premium
join:2005-05-19
Commerce, GA
Reviews:
·T-Mobile US
·Windstream

Still 2g here for T-mobile while Sprint is LTE

As a Patient T-mobile customer it is becoming more difficult to stick with them when we suffer with poor 2g service here in Commerce, GA while Sprint, Verizon, ATT and even Tmo's Metro PCS offer LTE here.
Can Tmo at least re-purpose some 3g equipment here please.