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| | Someone please clue me in! So if WiMax (which I have) gets me about 6mbs, and LTE promises 6-12mbs, and HSPA+ can do 42mbs, why be bothered with LTE and WiMAx. We all want more speed and less latency so what's the benefit of 1 vs the other. | |
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1 edit | Re: Someone please clue me in! The 4g-ish techs have a better architecture to sustain high performance to many users at once. HSPA+ might be able to do that level of performance for a few but not the many. And it's sitting on legacy infrastructure.
I'm curious on the comment that LTE will have a 'richer ecosystem' than WiMAX. LTE devices will be controlled by the telcom industry. WiMAX devices are more open being in IEEE land. Throw in a certified WiMAX chipset and that's it. | |
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Utica, MI | Re: Someone please clue me in! How about a comparison of range vs throughput? Is it really similar? | |
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| Re: Someone please clue me in! there's overlap between late generation 3G vs early generation 4G
remember it took years to get UMTS/HSPA to get upto 42mbps
LTE/WiMax is already spec to over 100mbps in its current form, I think it just implementation/cost issue that's holding it back currently
4G is more "efficient" as in faster/more user given the same amount of resource/spectrum | |
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Utica, MI | Re: Someone please clue me in! Right... Even HSPA+ technically requires new phones that support it. All this talk about how Wimax is niche or futile or something, I'm not sure I entirely agree. I'm under the impression that since Wimax 2 is less than 2 years away and is a minimal hardware and/or software upgrade to existing Wimax base stations (and is backwards compatible), that it is pretty safe to go ahead and build out with the technology. | |
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1 edit | said by xenophon:The 4g-ish techs have a better architecture to sustain high performance to many users at once. HSPA+ might be able to do that level of performance for a few but not the many. And it's sitting on legacy infrastructure. Riiiiiight, except it's completely theoretical, nobody ever seen anything faster than 10-20Mb and HSPA is already out there worldwide, let alone that "better architecture" is actually much worse when it comes to towers, ROI etc.
I'm saying this for a while: WiMax missed it's windows of opportunity last year, sorry.
Clearwire/Xohm etc were way too slow and disorganized and underfunded to roll it out quickly in the biggest cities - this idiotic idea of rolling out in small places first never works for smaller companies, never ever, only stupid stingy investors think it will.
I'm curious on the comment that LTE will have a 'richer ecosystem' than WiMAX. LTE devices will be controlled by the telcom industry. WiMAX devices are more open being in IEEE land. Throw in a certified WiMAX chipset and that's it.
Let me translate it for you: hundreds of millions of handsets (LTE) sold versus hundreds of thousands of handsets sold (WiMax) - what do you think, which one will be cheaper?
And no provider wants to build handsets from the ground up (chipset, SoC) on their own - they just want an OEM who will modify their models for them, that's it.
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| Tmo is already faster I usually get 6-7 meg dl speeds wireless tethering my T-Mo GalaxyS Vibrant right now.
It's only HSDPA (although I am in a HSPA+ area).
No other carrier can touch that....they aren't even close.
In fact, my connection is too fast for it to work here at dslreports....it tells me to select a larger file size when I have chosen the largest available (you guys wanna fix that ?) then it says my connection is too fast to measure accurately.
T-Mo doesn't need to even bother....it's the other guys that need to play catch up. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Tmo is already faster said by some dude :
In fact, my connection is too fast for it to work here at dslreports....it tells me to select a larger file size when I have chosen the largest available (you guys wanna fix that ?) then it says my connection is too fast to measure accurately.
Instead of using this test:
»/mspeed
use this BBR test:
»i.dslr.net/iphone_speedtest.html
it works on any smartphone browser, not just iphones. Choose the 3g or wifi options | |
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| | | | Re: Tmo is already faster the DSLR speedtest SUCKS! it NEVER gives you the correct answer. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Tmo is already faster Lies. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Tmo is already faster sure.  must have been talking to others that rely in it as well eh? | |
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| DestBoloPremium
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| | | | Re: Tmo is already faster Some on the Clear forum have posted up to 25Mbps for WiMAX. I typically get 10-15Mbps on my fixed Clear modem and 6-10Mbps on my EVO phone in same spot (so the phone is the bottleneck, not the service).
It all just depends on the implementation and the conditions. You need lots of backhaul, spectrum and enough sites to deliver the higher speeds. We can talk 40Mbps+ all day long but if Tmob doesn't deliver the backhaul, that 40M is just marketing gibberish. And do they have enough spectrum to even deliver it to a couple users at once? | |
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00000 | I had the same experience with T-Mobile and dslreports speed test "issue". | |
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| Re: Tmo is already faster the issue just isn't on the phone test its even on the actual computer test as well. it's like doing a cable speedtest on VZ's speedtest. of course it will be flawed to show that VZ's product is faster.
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| 3G, LTE? heck much of their coverage is GPRS!!! Only problem is currently only a relatively small part of T-Mobile's footprint is 3G. In my area it's basically 30% 3G, 40% EDGE, and 30% lagging with GPRS. Actually even that's not fair as probably 15% of my area has no T-Mobile coverage at all. They haven't upgraded any of the GPRS towers at all in the last several years. I think their goal is provide decent service in the cities but spotty coverage in the burbs, and almost zippo out in the countryside. The only reason I stay with them is that I'm on a grandfathered plan. Their current new customer rates have increased markedly in the last year or so. Trying to bill like the bill guys with 2nd rate coverage. | |
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| | | Re: 3G, LTE? heck much of their coverage is GPRS!!! TMO has said before they focus on the major metro markets. And depending on your plan new customers actually get better rates. | |
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| ... The thing is with such a large investment you simply cannot jump into the bandwagon and promise a network that doesn't even have sufficient infastructure and resources to promise it's success.
If I am not mistaken, I think LTE is also backward compatible with HSPA/HSPA+ devices as well, so customers who want LTE on their device will simply need to buy a new phone that supports it this removes the headache of transitioning a entire market over to a new technology such as wimax where it simply becomes a customer headache such as Sprint did with iDEN and CDMA, complete disaster.
LTE will more than likely be only available in the major cities, where it will be used to increase the capacity of cell sites which only means more customers in the same area at a given time without the need to add additional towers.
I am sure T-mobile knows exactly what they are doing, and if MetroPCS transitions from CDMA to LTE fully with T-mobile as a roaming partner, I can see T-mobile and MetroPCS be a force to recon with and AT&T and Verizon have something coming that's going to hurt their pockets unless they already have something up their sleeves. | |
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| | | Re: ... Way more Wimax then Tmobile 3G around here. The real difference is when I don't have a Wimax connection, my data drops to about 1000kpbs 3G on Sprint, compared to 50-150kpbs Edge on Tmobile. I think you could call Tmobile a NICHE carrier, LOL. They just need to STFU and not bring attention to themselves. They might end up on a 3G coverage commercial, that would be hilarious. | |
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