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News flash for T-Mo: change this clown in haste before the company goes down "over time".
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| | | | Re: Yeah, ho-humm My iPhone4 cannot even get 3G speeds on T-Mo's network. A LOT of their customers are in the same position as me. I do not care whose fault it is (me being a T-Mo customer instead of AT&T, AT&T and Apple in cahoots screwing up the frequencies and not using the standard, whatever).
T-mo did not give a shit about helping us with this issue and they do not give a shit about future technologies. They can wait to "mature" whatever, I wish I could switch to some other provider at a reasonable rate. Once my contract with T-Mo for my three phones expires, I will switch to crooked AT&T so that my iPhones actually work better while this clown waits for whatever he wants to "mature". | |
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| | |  djdanskaRudie32Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
kudos:4 | Re: Yeah, ho-humm Your complaining that your non-tmobile iPhone doesn't work good. Lmao! Considering they are not launching 2g anymore and skipping to HSPA instead, your iPhone will be even more useless. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Yeah, ho-humm said by djdanska:Your complaining that your non-tmobile iPhone doesn't work good. Lmao! Considering they are not launching 2g anymore and skipping to HSPA instead, your iPhone will be even more useless.
I am glad that you find this entertaining. Since T-Mo does not offer an iPhone, maybe us iPhone customers should move to different carriers.
Losing a lot of customers should not be of concern to an executive that is out of tune with reality or business decisions.
I have been a T-Mo customer since the beginning of T-Mo in the US since I considered them to be a German company (albeit talking to their Indian reps changes that feeling). Losing long time customers should be of no concern, either, since we have so many others that are happy with the abyssmal T-Mo phones. | |
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| | | | | djdanskaRudie32Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
kudos:4 | Re: Yeah, ho-humm I love my T-Mobile Android. Dual core 1.5 ghz, 1080p video record, Ice cream sandwich later this month, and full 850 and 1900 mhz HSPA+ support for the new att roaming. Doing fine! | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Yeah, ho-humm said by djdanska:I love my T-Mobile Android. Dual core 1.5 ghz, 1080p video record, Ice cream sandwich later this month, and full 850 and 1900 mhz HSPA+ support for the new att roaming. Doing fine!
I am glad that you do. The apps I need I have working on the iPhone just fine and would like to be able to use the speed on the provider I have been with without having to switch the phone, the OS and have to buy new apps. | |
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| Re: Yeah, ho-humm Then you shouldn't complain about the speeds if your priority is in the applications you need. You choose your phone, choose your carrier too if speeds are important.
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join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH | and your contract clearly states that they do NOT have to provide you with service or support for that device. It also goes on to say that they do NOT have to allow it on their network. | |
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| You talk as if being an iPhone user puts you in a special class that must be catered to because after all iPhones and their owners are the still point of the turning world. If you paid attention a few years ago, T-mo had to win the AWS spectrum from an FCC auction. The existing bands are already too crowded and they could not use them so they needed the spectrum which they paid big time for. So now we have lower, middle, upper and iPhone class people in society?
My latest is a Nokia N8 which covers AWS and traditional bands worldwide. It has a 12 MP camera with Zeiss optics. The screen is NOT LCD it is multi touch amoled. Also it can record video at 720p. i what? I'm in the anti iPhone camp. | |
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| | |  fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA | You're the ignorant one who bought an iPhone knowing full-well it would not work on T-Mobile's 3G network. Then you have the nerve to blame T-Mobile for your own ignorance? You're too laughable to be taken seriously. 
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| said by WernerSchutz:1.My iPhone4 cannot even get 3G speeds on T-Mo's network. A LOT of their customers are in the same position as me.
2. I do not care whose fault it is T-mo did not give a shit about helping us with this issue and they do not give a shit about future technologies.
3.I wish I could switch to some other provider at a reasonable rate. Once my contract with T-Mo for my three phones expires
4. I will switch to crooked AT&T so that my iPhones actually work better.
1. IF you didnt do your research before you bought the Iphone from some ebay or craigslist ad and Did Not see that the Iphone does not fully support TMOs network whos fault is that? Only 5% or so of TMO customers use Iphones and most are not complaining because they knew the limitations before they bought it.
2. You can thank Apple and lord jobs for that they could have easily built in 1700 mhz band but decided not to. TMO has an entire forum support thread based to help Iphone users a Phone they don't even carry, but yet there still willing to help you use it on there network. Does ATT or Verizon do that?
3.You want A reasonable rate then go to Metropcs, cricket, etc. any of the low cost operators or MNVO, ATT and Verizon not going to get reasonable rates there when your on a budget!
4. AND after you switch you will be complaining how (ATT) there robbing you blind monthly, its dropping calls everywhere, and they sent you a warning letter about tethering, and your getting charged an outrageous $10 per GB for using that fancy I phone you just cant live without... | |
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| | |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4 | said by WernerSchutz:My iPhone4 cannot even get 3G speeds on T-Mo's network. A LOT of their customers are in the same position as me. I do not care whose fault it is (me being a T-Mo customer instead of AT&T, AT&T and Apple in cahoots screwing up the frequencies and not using the standard, whatever).
T-mo did not give a shit about helping us with this issue and they do not give a shit about future technologies. They can wait to "mature" whatever, I wish I could switch to some other provider at a reasonable rate. Once my contract with T-Mo for my three phones expires, I will switch to crooked AT&T so that my iPhones actually work better while this clown waits for whatever he wants to "mature".
Here is an idea - don't use iPhones on TMO. There are dozens of smartphones out there that will work at higher speeds on TMO.
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| | |  DrTCPYours trulyPremium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
2 edits | said by WernerSchutz:My iPhone4 cannot even get 3G speeds on T-Mo's network. A LOT of their customers are in the same position as me. T-Mobile does not offer iPhone compatible with their network because 3G is on different frequency band. You would need an iPhone customized for T-Mobile and it does not exist. T- Mobile never made any representation regarding iPhone on their network. How is that their fault.
You can get an unlocked iPhone and use it on T-Mobile network but it will not do 3G data.
You are complaining about something that is your own doing. If it is such an inconvenience for you, you are free to leave and jump ship to AT&T, Verizon or Sprint.
Sprint has paid Apple huge amounts to get iPhone and they have to raise more debt and their stock has crumbled since then since company earnings will take a hit. T-Mobile at this financial situation does not have such a luxury. If iPhone is your only criterion, T-Mobile is not for you. Others have other priorities. | |
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join:2000-03-09
Chelsea, MA | Re: Yeah, ho-humm Correct. The iPhone will NOT to 3G speeds on T-Mobile because the 3G frequency is different between AT&T and T-Mobile. The iPhone can *only* do EDGE (2.5G) speeds on T-Mobile's Network.
This is why I haven't run out and bought an unlocked iPhone yet. Why have a nice phone when it can't be used to its fill capabilities? | |
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| | | | | djdanskaRudie32Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
kudos:4 Reviews:
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| Re: Yeah, ho-humm said by cybah:Correct. The iPhone will NOT to 3G speeds on T-Mobile because the 3G frequency is different between AT&T and T-Mobile. The iPhone can *only* do EDGE (2.5G) speeds on T-Mobile's Network.
This is why I haven't run out and bought an unlocked iPhone yet. Why have a nice phone when it can't be used to its fill capabilities?
There are areas where an unlocked iphone will get HSPA or HSPA+ 14Mb speeds. It's very limited, and is not going to be widespread. Like i posted, in areas with limited AWS spectrum and extra PCS. To launch 84M HSPA+ they need more channels and if they have spare 1900Mhz channels where they have it, it will work with new phones.
Check it out here with screenshot speedtests as proof.
»www.howardforums.com/showthread.···r-device
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join:2001-03-28
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| said by cybah:Correct. The iPhone will NOT to 3G speeds on T-Mobile because the 3G frequency is different between AT&T and T-Mobile. The iPhone can *only* do EDGE (2.5G) speeds on T-Mobile's Network.
This is why I haven't run out and bought an unlocked iPhone yet. Why have a nice phone when it can't be used to its fill capabilities?
Who knows? People use iPhones on Sprint all the time now and get 200kbps at best. How's 200kbps on EvDO any better than 200kbps on EDGE?
That said...
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| | | | | said by WernerSchutz: AT&T and Apple in cahoots screwing up the frequencies and not using the standard, whatever).
Lol ATT and Apple didn't screw up the frequencies, T-MO did, and with good reason, they were thinking ahead at the 3G boom, and using different freq, would prevent roaming from ATT devices, and T-MO customers would always get the fastest service on there own 3G devices. Makes Perfect sense, that apple would choose one of the 2 GSM carriers in the USA that uses the same Freq. as 90% of the world. Choosing the other 10% would have lead to T-MO not being exclusive, and Verizon and sprint would have gotten the CDMA version twice as fast. If Verizon had taken the exclusive deal back in '07 We would have seen an unlocked GSM version, from other countries unlocked here in the same fashion we see for T-MO now, with 3G still not working. Before you point your finger at "Crooked AT&T" look at the rest of the world and decide who screwed up the freq. | |
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|  Smith6612Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:21 | I believe T-Mobile is waiting for LTE to mature a little more rather than jump on the bandwagon so soon. Their current network seems to hold up pretty well compared to how other carriers' networks have been holding out... | |
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| | NWOhio
join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH | Re: Yeah, ho-humm if they were smart they'd skip LTE 3.5 and move to LTE A when its out and not have to rebuild/upgrade twice. | |
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| | | tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | Re: Yeah, ho-humm That seems to be what they're doing.
Sprint is also deploying LTE with expectations of a rapid upgrade to LTE-A | |
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| | ssavoyPremium
join:2007-08-16
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| T-Mobile has had an edge cell site on a water tower in my hometown for at least 8 years. Verizon came along last year and spent three months retrofitting it for their own LTE antennas. It's interesting to see the huge gap between the two companies. I hope they come back strong since the merger fell through. | |
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| | | | | Re: Yeah, ho-humm Do you have t-mobile? Henrietta has pretty decent tmobile 4G coverage. | |
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| tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| NEWS FLASH: T-Mobile is deploying HSPA on the 1900 band.
Ok, jog your mind for a bit.
There we go. That's the same band ATT uses. That's the band that the iPhone uses.
Undoubtedly the biggest reason why people have left T-Mobile since 2007 is for the iPhone. Sprint just bet $20billion on the iPhone. All T-Mobile needs to do is deploy a single PCS carrier of UMTS/HSPA in most markets and suddenly your iPhone can get 3g. As mentioned - they began doing this about 2 weeks *before* the ATT/TMO merger was officially declared dead.
Oh, and lets not forget that ATT and TMO will begin their nationwide 3g roaming agreement where TMO customers with 1900UMTS-compatible 3g devices will get 3g on ATT's network.
This effectively nullifies any reason for iPhone owners to leave TMO, and for iPhone owners who want to save cash, TMO becomes a very attractive option, all at very low cost to t-mobile. And at a helluva savings compared to the $20bil that sprint threw down.
So what would you rather have? LTE or HSPA+ for your iPhone 3g/3gs/4/4s?
LTE is industry buzz right now. Deploying LTE when it's not even *close* to necessary is stupid. Phones have to power 2 radios at once, and VoLTE still isn't ready for production, and won't be for another year. All for speeds that aren't much better than HSPA+, but with worse battery life and at higher costs across the board.
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| | djdanskaRudie32Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
kudos:4 | Re: Yeah, ho-humm Yes, in very few areas where they have the available spectrum. not a lot of places. plus t-mobile as of now throttles 3g and 4g roaming to 60kbps. ( cough cough I wireless, etc) | |
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
| AWS Support in iPhone 4S Humm notes that the company hasn't offered the iPhone because "we are on different band than globally the market was," adding that this "is something which will change over time" due to the evolution of chipsets. From teardown reports and analysis of the chipsets in the iPhone 4S, it has been found the iPhone 4S hardware is capable of supporting AWS on 1700MHz. The MDM6610 baseband chip in conjunction with the RTR8605 RF transceiver is capable of 1700MHz. It appears it is a firmware and/or hardware setting that prevents the iPhone 4S from utilizing AWS. The rumored N94 model of the iPhone was shown to operate on T-Mobile's AWS spectrum. From the pictures, it appears to have been an iPhone 4S prototype. See »www.bgr.com/2011/04/23/exclusive···ile-usa/ .
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join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:22 Reviews:
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| When AT&T had exclusive for iPhone, it could dicate that the iphone should not have 1700.
When AT&T lost eclusivity, I suspect it negotiated with Apple to still prevent 1700 support because it apears that AT&T and Verizon now had exclusivity for their respective technology. Then, that exclsuivity expired last fall when Sprint and others were also allowed, but at that time, AT&T was in the midst of buying T-Mobile and would have told Apple "no 1700".
Now that all that is past and that T-Mobile appears to want to live, perhaps Apple will enable 1700 to be able to sell not only to T-Mobile but also to canadian mobile carriers who have 1700. | |
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join:2001-01-13
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| Re: AWS Support in iPhone 4S It would be nice if a simple firmware update could enable 1700MHz support though how 1700MHz is currently disabled in the 4S is a mystery. It is not that big a stretch to the 1700MHz band from the already supported 1800MHz band on the 4S (and I mentioned above we know the Qualcomm chips are capable). Not only would that allow T-Mobile to work with the 4S but also with WIND and Mobilicity in Canada who also utilize AWS.
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join:2002-05-02
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| djdanskaRudie32Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
kudos:4 | Re: Meh It wasn't T-Mobile's choice. It was their ONLY choice. Well, that or stay on edge forever! Btw, I stay with Tmobile cause I like the service and pay a lot less. Totally worth it. | |
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | T-mobile Coverage is good, but not excellent. I don't get service out in the mountains of Virginia. | |
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And very soon now Tmobile will roam on ATT and there goes your "coverage" excuse. | |
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|  DaveDudeNo Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
kudos:1 | ATT , and Verizon use the same "gsm frequencies" , its called aws. Which us 1700/2100 set. MetroPCS entire service is on aws. | |
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| | djdanskaRudie32Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
kudos:4 | Re: Meh They have licenses, yes, (Verizon more so than att) but do not actively use then yet. | |
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| Ill stick with TMO for now as well Its true to set them apart from ATT and negotiate around US regulations they went for 1900 mhz GSM. At the time of launch it seemed like a good plan, but it was not know how well penetration through walls/objects would have been. And I can honestly say Im not against HSPA+ or TMO sticking with it as long as it stays unlimited and they loosen up the throttle restrictions. Heck ATT is riding copper like a dead horse for DSL and they got rid of unlimited for wired and wireless. Also its been said HSPA+ can support up to 168 Mbit/s theoretical peak rates. Thats actually in the range of LTE advanced, as standard LTE ( which is what Verizon and ATT are deploying) has been said will only support up to 100 Mbit/s.
For those who are turning there nose up to TMO for not going LTE at the moment what really are you going to do with 100 Mbit/s on a phone unless your tethering it. ( which ATT will scold you and sends you nasty letters about). Heck Im happy with anything over ATT crappy DSL speed which is what I have at my IL home. I'll take UNLIMITED data over HSPA+ on TMO over the alternative of 2GB and $10 per GB overages on ATT or Verizon anyday.
Typing this on the road while wirelessly tethered to my G2X on TMO with no cap/overages! | |
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join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH | Re: Ill stick with TMO for now as well TMO does NOT restrict your tethering nor wifi router on the phones. Its completely optional if you wish to pay for them. | |
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