T-Mobile Outlines HSPA+ Plans 21 Mbps (More like 7-10) to 90% of footprint by 2011 Tipped by Gbcue 
Talking about their HSPA+ plans at the Mobile World Congress this week in Barcelona, T-Mobile tells Light Reading that the carrier plans to have the speedier standard deployed to 90% of their entire footprint by the end of this year. HSPA+ is theoretically capable of speeds up to 21 Mbps, though users will see speeds closer to 7-10 Mbps downstream. T-Mobile's 2010 HSPA+ upgrade plan would bring the faster service to 205 million people and 271 cities. Of course this all depends on whether or not T-Mobile can get enough backhaul bandwidth to feed these cell sites and avoid congestion, something the carrier says they've already been working on for several years. T-Mobile's HSPA+ service has been live for testing in parts of Philly for some time, though T-Mobile only unveiled the first HSPA+-supported devices this week.
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|  GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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kudos:8 | Backhaul Hopefully they can get all their backhaul well in advance of the end of the year.
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Michigan City, IN | Re: Backhaul said by Gbcue:T-Mobile, the most robust nationwide 3G network. You sound like a broken record.
To bad they haven't given out the release dates for cities, that's what I was hoping for when I entered here. | |
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1 edit |  Real world speeds always so much less
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| | AVonGaussPremium,MVM
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Boynton Beach, FL | Re: Real world speeds always so much less Perhaps, but its still a bit faster than the 7.2 or 3.6 measured using the same tests. | |
| |  en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | Personally, I'd expect the 'typical' range to be more like 25-50%, with 50% being a lightly loaded cell site, with good signal.
Take a look at what users in Canada on HSPA+ get. I've seen +10Mbps results with datacards. | |
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kudos:15 | Re: Real world speeds always so much less The iPhone 3GS is rated at 7.2 Mbps. I typically get real-world speeds when tethered at home of over 5 Mbps (usually ~5.3 Mbps). This is in downtown Montreal on Fido. | |
| | | | en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | Re: Real world speeds always so much less Typical US vs. typical Canada is a bit different.
T-Mobile has as many customers as there are people in Canada. Data is also 'unlimited' on devices in the US, and capped with overages in Canada. Usage should be lighter where its capped.
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| | | | | | Re: Real world speeds always so much less Yes, I secretly hide the real world speeds seen with AT&T and Verizon's network because they pay me under the table or I'm a fanboy or something.  | |
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1 edit | Re: Real world speeds always so much less there's a difference between outright hiding something (which you can't do - it's not for you to hide) and neglecting to point something out for certain carriers (att, vzw), while consistently pointing it out for other carriers (tmo). It's a matter of framing.
The fact is, LTE aint delivering on its promises just yet, and even Verizon acknowledges that by lowering expectations to 12mbps or less on an 80mbps rated connection. And the weird thing is - you've got no problem pointing this out for WiMax.
Well HSPA+ already is besting Verizon's expectations for LTE, as well as beating/matching real-world WiMax tests. And that's before upgrades to HSPA+ (28mbps, and 42mbps) which can lower the already sub100ms pings while doubling speeds even higher...
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1 edit | Re: Real world speeds always so much less quote:
there's a difference between outright hiding something (which you can't do - it's not for you to hide) and neglecting to point something out for certain carriers (att, vzw), while consistently pointing it out for other carriers (tmo). It's a matter of framing.
I see. So your theory is that I don't point out the difference between theoretical and real world speeds for say, Verizon LTE?
»So, How Fast Will LTE Be, Really?
Assuming that this is true (which it isn't, I've been pointing out AT&T and Verizon network limitations and ridiculous behavior for a decade) your theory on why I'd do this is why, exactly?
I'm secretly an AT&T and Verizon fanboy unfairly picking on T-Mobile? Do you realize this is silly given how much I criticize AT&T and Verizon? I understand you work for T-Mobile but give me a little credit... | |
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| Re: Real world speeds always so much less said by Karl Bode: quote:
there's a difference between outright hiding something (which you can't do - it's not for you to hide) and neglecting to point something out for certain carriers (att, vzw), while consistently pointing it out for other carriers (tmo). It's a matter of framing.
I see. So your theory is that I don't point out the difference between theoretical and real world speeds for say, Verizon LTE? » So, How Fast Will LTE Be, Really?Assuming that this is true (which it isn't, I've been pointing out AT&T and Verizon network limitations and ridiculous behavior for a decade) your theory on why I'd do this is why, exactly? I'm secretly an AT&T and Verizon fanboy unfairly picking on T-Mobile? Do you realize this is silly given how much I criticize AT&T and Verizon? I understand you work for T-Mobile but give me a little credit... lol good try. I don't work for t-mobile - I'm just tired of it getting crapped on by bloggers and news sites who are too lazy to do some research and prefer to regurgitate whatever press releases they get. It just so happens that ATT and VZW put out a TON of press releases.
I've never called you an ATT or VZW fanboi - just an Apple one. And my theory is simply that you're unhappy with your ATT service, love your iphone, would prefer it to be on VZW, but you're frustrated that the two big carriers aren't working as hard as Sprint and TMO do to improve their networks and pricing. Oh, and you're hoping that the sooner VZW gets LTE up and running, that maybe, just maybe, Apple will finally take the iphone to VZW because LTE will be the standard.
In news posts referring to TMO's HSPA+ deployment, they're almost always littered with references to ATT's awesome 7.2 deployment (at a fraction of the speed), or VZW's upcoming LTE seemingly in an effort to undercut the real news. But in the news post you pointed out on LTE, you didn't seem to feel the need to point out just how pathetic 12mbps is for LTE when HSPA+ in Canada is already doing better than that. Not a single reference to HSPA+. Not a single reference to WiMax. Hell, in one article you outright came to defend VZW's paltry "4g" speeds as being "more than enough speed for most people on the go, many of whom are more interested at this point in connection consistency (or the ability to actually make a phone call now and again)".
This is a broadband enthusiast site. Are you freaking kidding me? Since when have you stated an arbitrary speed as "more than enough"? And why would you point out "connection consistency" in a post about Verizon and LTE? Since when has VZW been known for such problems? The only people I EVER hear about who have connection consistency issues and are unable to make phone calls are *surprise surprise* iPhone users.
So as I said, you see VZW as the savior of your iphone, so you want them to finally shed those CDMA shackles and rush out an unimpressive LTE network in the hopes of finally seeing a VZW-capable iphone.
For a site that is dedicated to broadband results (see your remarks on clearwire), this site consistently relegates HSPA+ to the corner as some already defunct technology with no future, simply being "milked" of every last drop - even though real-world day-to-day results clearly indicate otherwise. Not to mention that the industry (even ATT) is going back to HSPA+ since they are mostly unimpressed with LTE's current state, and see that HSPA+ can deliver today.
Hence why I feel the incessant need to point out TMO's and HSPA+ advantages each time you make a post about LTE/TMO/HSPA+.
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Palo Alto, CA | I'd be happy with 7.2 in my area first Where I live, I only get 1Mbps max. Can't get above that at all, and t-mobile confirmed that as the max here at well. | |
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Michigan City, IN | Re: I'd be happy with 7.2 in my area first said by JakCrow:Where I live, I only get 1Mbps max. Can't get above that at all, and t-mobile confirmed that as the max here at well. Be lucky you get that, I get 500-700 down on 3G. | |
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| said by JakCrow:Where I live, I only get 1Mbps max. Can't get above that at all, and t-mobile confirmed that as the max here at well. I get that too, max out at 1mbps down and up. Don't know what they're waiting for...
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| Re: I'd be happy with 7.2 in my area first said by Gbcue:said by JakCrow:Where I live, I only get 1Mbps max. Can't get above that at all, and t-mobile confirmed that as the max here at well. I get that too, max out at 1mbps down and up. Don't know what they're waiting for... On my robust AT&T 3G network I have been getting more that that one my iPhone.
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San Francisco, CA | T-Mobile's 3G speeds are all over the place right now. At work in Berkeley where there is a tower on the building across the street, I get 2.5Mbps down and 1Mbps up. At home in San Francisco, I get about 1.2Mbps down and 800Kbps up.
I test every once and a while (yeah, I'm a nerd) when I'm out and about just to see what I get and it generally averages around 1Mbps or less. What's weird is that I've been noticing that the uploads in some areas are sometimes double the download speeds when I'm testing. Sorta strange. | |
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I work for a small company. I administer my company's wireless telecom division.
The only reason we did NOT migrate over to T-Mobile the last time around from Verizon was because we didn't feel confident in their wireless data speeds or footprint out here in SoCal.
Now we have the footprint. We have the software updates. Now we just need the backhaul. I expect the choice to switch all our lines will be easy this November!
I use T-Mobile for my personal service as does the majority of my family. Call me bias, but I look forward to moving all my business lines over especially since they treat me so well personally.
My engineers outta love the high speed USB sticks rocking 10 Mbps plus. | |
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