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T-Mobile Sues Huawei For Stealing Cell Phone Testing Technology
T-Mobile has sued telecom carrier Huawei, claiming the Chinese gear manufacturer stole T-Mobile trade secrets. Specifically, T-Mobile is claiming that Huawei has stolen software, specifications and other secrets for a cellphone-testing robot nicknamed "Tappy." In a lawsuit filed at the beginning of the month, T-Mobile alleges that Huawei employees "illicitly photographed the device," tried to smuggle components out of T-Mobile’s Bellevue, Washington lab, and when caught and subsequently banned from the facility -- tried to sneak back in. Huawei is "using T-Mobile’s stolen robot technology to test non-T-Mobile handsets and improve return rates for handsets developed and sold to other carriers," claims the lawsuit.
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bigballer
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Really now?

they tried to sneak back in after getting kicked out?

Good for tmobile, more money for their LTE network expansion plan

StealTech
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Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

This has been going on for 30 yrs as US tech companies get their intellectual property stolen by Chinese companies. And this happens because these same US companies depend on Chinese slave labor wages instead of making the devices elsewhere. The Chinese then are virtually handed the technology. And then start making their ripoff products handed to homegrown companies like Huawei.
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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

And the Soviet Union did it before that.

If you have to steal our stuff to compete with us, your society and culture has failed.
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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

said by eco:

If you have to steal our stuff to compete with us, your society and culture has failed.

pfft... why spend money on R&D when you can steal stuff?
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Yes, their society and culture are failed. That's why there's a legitimate discussion in business circles on the 21st century being a century of Chinese (or Japanese) dominance. Google it.... Not saying stealing tech is right, BUT it hasn't made them a failed culture. Specifically, the Chinese are great at planning for the long game, instead of our quarterly profits strategy....
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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

Japan's economy has essentially been stagnant since the early 90s. Google 'china japan lost decade' and you'll find plenty of articles with economists comparing how similar the economic situation now in China is to Japan's before their economy stagnated.
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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

I know about their economy. I was surprised when I briefly fact checked and saw Japan in the discussion, BUT they were there, so I included them. The fact that they're in the discussion was interesting I guess.
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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

said by jjeffeory:

I know about their economy. I was surprised when I briefly fact checked and saw Japan in the discussion, BUT they were there, so I included them. The fact that they're in the discussion was interesting I guess.

Did you also know that japan has a serious population problem. Japan population is quickly aging and declining. Any discussion of Japanese dominance in the 21 century is very optimistic.
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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

Yes, so does Italy. Thing is that Japan's population could decline and they're still one of the world's technology power houses. Besides, my focus was more on China. Like I said, I only added Japan because when I did a quick bit of research Japan kept popping up. We could add Korea to the list too. Many are predicting that Asia is going to have a better century than Europe and North America.
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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

Many were predicting the world was going to end on December 12th, 2012.
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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

TRUE! Pretty funny fallacy!

The people predicting Asian dominance are using more science than the "AM Coast to Coast" crowd.
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Defined failed. They will have a bigger GDP than the US in 4 years time and with 4x the population it is just a matter of time before they dominate. Sure they are killing their population w/ coal and industrial waste, but think of it this way that is where they can create the technology that we can use in the long run.

While labor is cheaper in China, environmental regs are the real winner for manufacturing in China.

Corporate espionage has been going on since day 1. The problem is that the US has gotten dull and security procedures based upon physical breech (which this was BTW , but the keyboard is the real issue...,

I'm sure we are spying on them just the same.
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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

We need to ask eco how he defined failed. I agree with all the things you've written here. The thing that irks me the most though is the fact that foreign companies are "Forced" to share their technology and process know-how with a local company in China in order to do business there. This is tantamount to giving all their knowledge away. When the local Chinese companies have learned all they can, what's to stop them from kicking the foreign company to the curb? Nothing! Really short sighted of these foreign companies if you ask me.
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This is true. Look at Boeing. In order to be allowed into the Chinese market, they have to "share" their knowledge with a local. Once all that knowledge is "transferred" there is no need for the "outside" company.

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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

said by jjeffeory:

This is true. Look at Boeing. In order to be allowed into the Chinese market, they have to "share" their knowledge with a local. Once all that knowledge is "transferred" there is no need for the "outside" company.

Considering how many Boeing parts are manufactured in China and then assembled in the United States I can't really see this being an issue except for reports of it that exclude this part about Boeing outsourcing manufacturing to China.
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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

It's one thing to know something about a piece of a rather complicated puzzle. It's another thing to know everything about every piece of the business. Once Chinese companies become proficient in all aspects of Boeing's business ( including the business services that Boeing offers), then there will be no need for China to keep Boeing around later in the long game.... So many people forget that Boeing is now in more than just aerospace/planes. They're into security, financial, shared services, and other stuff too. You know they know how to run businesses as well as make planes...

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said by jjeffeory:

This is true. Look at Boeing. In order to be allowed into the Chinese market, they have to "share" their knowledge with a local. Once all that knowledge is "transferred" there is no need for the "outside" company.

But that is a choice by Boeing to share (and maybe lose some future smaller plane (single aisle) sales vs getting the current sales for the next 10 years(you can't get an aircraft builder culture running instantly, if ever.) getting sales now and having a huge installed base (along with maintaince and other service business) in place now was a good deal. Like ALL industries the IP and the ability to develop it is the high value.
And you can't learn how to develop it by stealing it which only helps the short term problem of not having it TODAY.
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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

This is short sighted, and it's also happening in almost EVERY US industry. This was talked about a LOT in my classes when I was getting my Master's Degree. We are selling ourselves out in the long run for short term gain. ...and the problem is that in order to be in China, these companies have to teach the locals how they do things. So, yes, the Chinese companies are learning how to do things from whatever foreign companies go in there, including Boeing.

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Shame to all corps that outsource technology China or other countries. There big risk of outsourcing these high techs is they can be copied and can be used against our nation security. Anyway, T&Mobile cannot sue Chinese corps. Chinese corps are protected by china law and rarely be prosecuted.
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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

But they can sue Huawei's US subsidiary.

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They even stole a bunch of specialized metal from the midwest that was conveniently shaped like industrial machinery and in turn were able to manufacture goods nearly exactly like ones that used to be made in the United States and could even make sure casting still said "Made in USA" if that's what the customer ordered.

Then look at all those AC Delco parts that are made in China and made to fit US cars and US assembled Japanese cars, all of that "stolen" technology from the heart of Michigan.. I mean Mexico assembly plants.

The Facts mAKE it just outRAGEous what is going on to hurt our US Manufacturing superiority due to stolen technolgy be small players like China.
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Re: Can't trust Chinese - they steal all their technology

That is why some auto part companies are going back to having their parts still designed by hand and produced in small plants right in Adrian Michigan- especially valves. These other outside companies can't meet the quality, they only meet demand, but not the same part.

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Yet The U.S. Government Allowed The Sale Of Motorola

One of the most persistent stories, lately, is about Chinese companies, the Chinese government, or both in collusion, stealing information from U.S. companies and the U.S. government. Huawei, is, in fact, essentially banned from most of the U.S., yet the U.S. government allows the sale of a high-tech company like Motorola to another Chinese company.

Things that make you go "Hmmm..."

Jim
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Re: Yet The U.S. Government Allowed The Sale Of Motorola

That was just the Motorola handset division. Motorola split up a few years ago. Motorola Solutions, which makes the telecom equipment, etc. is still around. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo ··· olutions

The handset division, Motorola Mobility, did end up with the cable modem equipment division but that was sold off to Arris a year or two ago while it was owned by Google.

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Sprint had to pull Huawei equipment

As part of the acquisition by Softbank, Sprint was required to pull Huawei equipment from its network:

»www.fiercewireless.com/s ··· 13-05-23
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Re: Sprint had to pull Huawei equipment

That was the only way Sprint could get it to go through. They also have a NSA Staff/Department that was announced as well.

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SHOCKING News!

Who yap would have ever thought a Chinese company would steal tech from anther.

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Re: SHOCKING News!

Worked great in the capacitor market.

I mean...... ya.
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Surprised, really?

I sure hope no one here is surprised:

»fortune.com/2013/04/15/d ··· d-train/

The Chinese has always been in the business of stealing and then undercutting the competition. They make you do the heavy work and they iterate on that by selling it for half the cost. Then they take over markets by getting 100% market share.

»themoderatevoice.com/141 ··· duction/

It's not rocket science folks.

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Off topic china steals seed corn

Here's a story about china nationals digging up seed corn in rural Iowa corn fields. To copy the genetically modified corn to copy.

»money.cnn.com/2014/07/03 ··· dex.html
That bag of seed corn in the picture sells for $250-300 per bag