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join:2005-03-19 | neat is this what reinvestment looks like? | |
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| | Tmobile = Dark Horse? Could T-Mobile be the dark horse in the Wireless Industry? Seems they're making some leaps and bounds lately, at least on the announcement side. But the real question is, can they back up and follow through on their claims? | |
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join:2005-03-14
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kudos:4 | Re: Tmobile = Dark Horse? Exactly. I can announce whatever I feel like. This is just press fluff. | |
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|  GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
join:2001-09-30
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kudos:8 | Only time will tell. Looks like they've managed to hit at least 200M people covered with 21mbps HSPA+ this year. On to 42mbps in 2011.
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| |  Duramax08A Challenger AppearsPremium
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join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 Reviews:
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| Re: Tmobile = Dark Horse? said by Duramax08:Whats the cap with tmobile?
As they stand now technically there is no cap, but after 5 GBs you get throttled to dial up speeds. | |
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As they stand now technically there is no cap, but after 5 GBs you get throttled to dial up speeds. What would be nice is if they ever reach these ridiculously high theoretical speeds, "throttling" would bring you back down to 5 or 10 mbps. | |
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| | Eek2121Lovin Verizon FIOS
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Newton, NJ | 200 million people my ass. I'm in one of the most populated states in the US and i don't even get 3G, much less HSPA+. Sussex and Warren Counties in NJ are both on Edge, Morris County is just regular old 3G. | |
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join:2002-10-12
Newton, NJ Reviews:
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| Re: Tmobile = Dark Horse? I forgot to mention, I can drive 30-40 minutes to PA and only get GPRS, and thats on interstate 80.
Below is a test from budd lake, NJ in morris county:
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Windsor, PA | and what is around route 80, nothing that's the correct answer...i dont T-mobile needs to supply the deer and bears with 3g service. | |
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| said by Eek2121:200 million people my ass. I'm in one of the most populated states in the US and i don't even get 3G, much less HSPA+. Sussex and Warren Counties in NJ are both on Edge, Morris County is just regular old 3G.
I happen to be in *the most* populous state in the country and I have 4G everwhere I go.
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join:2005-03-14
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kudos:4 | Re: Tmobile = Dark Horse? You mean 3G+ of course... | |
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| Re: Tmobile = Dark Horse? said by iLive4Fusion: I didn't know T-Mobile has LTE-Advanced everywhere you go? There's a reason he put it in quotes.
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join:2005-03-19 | Re: Will chip makers be on board? I believe the article mentions Nokia Siemens. | |
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| | . I have yet to see anything but EDGE from T-mobile where I live. Sprint, Verizon, and At&t all have 3G of some sort here, just not T-mobile. | |
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|  djdanskaRudie32Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
kudos:4 | Re: . They have it closer to Columbus, OH. Your too far away. If you want to see where the 3g/"4g" network is near you, go to »compass.t-mobile.com and click no. | |
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| Re: . said by djdanska:They have it closer to Columbus, OH. Your too far away. If you want to see where the 3g/"4g" network is near you, go to »compass.t-mobile.com and click no.
Yea unfortunately I'm about 25 miles from inner Columbus which is now covered by Sprint WiMax, Verizon LTE and T-Mobile's HSPA+.
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| | | | I am in Columbus and still only get 3G speeds. The phone supports HSPDA (doesn''t support the faster +) and I can't even get that. 200 million maybe covered, just not getting everything T-Mo advertises. Still leaves 100 million without service and there are alot of areas in Ohio that are not even covered. | |
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join:2001-04-21
kudos:4 Reviews:
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| Re: . said by m35g35 :I am in Columbus and still only get 3G speeds. The phone supports HSPDA (doesn''t support the faster +) and I can't even get that. 200 million maybe covered, just not getting everything T-Mo advertises. Still leaves 100 million without service and there are alot of areas in Ohio that are not even covered.
A quick look at their coverage map (compass.t-mobile.com) shows they have not launched the "4g" speeds in your area. That would explain the slower speeds on your device.
In my experience, typical 3g speeds before the upgrade are around 750kbps to 2000kbps down and 500kbps up. Once they launch it, it can reach upto 6800-7000kbps and 1500kbps up on a normal 3g device.
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Madison, AL | Ironically, where I just moved to, AT&T and VZW's coverage is absolutely abysmal, dropping to Edge/1x respectively, and dropping often. However I can get a solid 3g connection with T-Mo no problem. | |
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| said by tman852:I have yet to see anything but EDGE from T-mobile where I live. Sprint, Verizon, and At&t all have 3G of some sort here, just not T-mobile.
Same here. I really want to support tmobile instead of AT&T but not at the cost of edge speeds.
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| Ulmo
join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA | Let me explain it a bit.
Lancaster, OH.
Ok, I'm done. Sounds like AT&T would like you. | |
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join:2001-10-16
Spencer, MA | for only a limited part of their network ...T-Mobile while they have made improvements in large cities, still leave many suburban areas languishing with not even EDGE, but GPRS coverage! | |
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| GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8 Reviews:
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| Re: for only a limited part of their network said by wdoa:...T-Mobile while they have made improvements in large cities, still leave many suburban areas languishing with not even EDGE, but GPRS coverage!
T-Mobile is in the business to make money, not stretch their network paper thin (ala AT&T) to every corner of the country. As such, they focus primarily on major metropolitan areas and a wide surround.
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| cannibalizing wired networks? I call B/S! You think Comcasat and AT&T are going to let their wired networks take a back seat to wireless (from Tmobile), let alone Verizon?
4g is meaningless and so are pronouncements that wireless broadband are going to be so robust as to replace wired networks. The satellite companies tried that one and fell flat on their ass-- even with cable-tv. | |
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join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
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| Re: cannibalizing wired networks? I call B/S! Agreed. DirecTV and Dish/EchoStar don't exist. I'm not a customer, and didn't just pay part of my roommate's bill this morning for DirecTV. MCI never had microwaves. Nor did AT&T or any of the other telephone baby bells. Ricochet never existed. Cell phones are for voice. The Internet does not exist. Totally agreed. And who would ever need to have high speed broadband data communications? Useless.
Nobody even uses cell phones, for that matter. Nope. Not a one. Where I live 99% of the people have a POTS, and only about 2% have even heard of a cell phone. Cell phone use is in decline. They're all switching to AT&T everywhere in every part of the globe. Yup.
Oh, don't forget: everyone likes wires. Everyone gets wires for Christmas and yells "Yay!" "I want to string wires all over my apartment, then plug it into a 300bps modem to play around with BBSes." No one has ever thought of sending their friend a picture, or watching a video that they select that isn't broadcast to them on their TV. You don't even know what the heck I'm talking about it's so weird.
And no one in their right mind except ultra-nerds who watch Star Trek would think that you could watch a video on a hand-held device. Oh yeah, T-Mobile is quaking in its boots thinking of how Comcast and AT&T are going to make it irrelevant with all of their POTS and Cable TV connections. | |
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| Re: cannibalizing wired networks? I call B/S! I'm not anti-technology. I just live in REALITY, whereas tmobile is entering fantasy land. No wireless carriers are moving that rapidly into making wired lines obsolete, in this or the next decade.. so sure, maybe in 20 years from now... so unless your about 10 years old, this isn't a product for you (when you hit about 30). It took over 15 years for analogue phones to die off and leave a [digital] wirless transformation in it's place. Expect about the same for multi-generation upgrades to wireless network capacity. | |
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945941 | Re: cannibalizing wired networks? I call B/S! I just drove from San Francisco to Las Vegas. 10 hours, a lot of it on I-5 and I-15.. fairly large well-traveled freeways.
Virtually every time I tried to use the internet on my G2 it didn't work (either it showed GPRS [EW] coverage or EDGE coverage that evidently didn't work).
In Las Vegas, I'm pulling 3+mbps easy on the G2 with ~80ms pings, that's great and all, but it's a real shame to see that their wireless network still sucks for traveling.
You get what you pay for, I suppose.
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | T-Mobile doesn't have the spectrum 8 channels of UMTS/HSPA would mean 80MHz of spectrum dedicated (5MHz up / 5MHz down per each channel). T-Mobile doesn't have it in 2G and AWS combined, if I'm not mistaken.
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| | 650Mbps ...with 5gb monthly caps. Hit your cap in just over a minute! Yay! | |
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| FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: 650Mbps what caps? a cap implies that there are overages. i see nothing of the sort. | |
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| | Why not just use a single standard? I applaud their willingness to invest into their network; first to upgrade most of it to 21Mbps capable, next to 42Mbps. However, as with any limitation, trying to push HSPA to ~650Mbps downstream is assinine.
At what point does one draw the line between trying to compete with other wireless carriers and trying to do things the hardest way possible?
If the majority of carriers are moving towards LTE (or LTE Advanced), then why not finish the upgrades already planned, then revisit the possibility of moving towards LTE.
The easiest solution would be for the FCC or whomever to declare a mobile standard; that way, it would be one standard, that people could focus on. No more CDMA2000, GSM, etc. | |
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| | | Re: Why not just use a single standard? Because switching to LTE means rebuilding the network/towers from square one again (like Verizon or Clear). There would be no end to the hell-no customer complaints about deploying a faster speed that has no coverage (WiMax).
Sticking with HSPA means they can extend their investment for as long as possible until LTE matures, costs drop, and HSPA has been maxxed out. At which time, they would've milked enough from HSPA to fund a new LTE push instead of in the middle. | |
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join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
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| Having the government mandate an end to innovation is SUCH a great idea. Thank You Osama Bin Laden, I Mean Obama Bin Whatever that president's name is. That way, USA can have NO innovation at all! What a wonderful idea!!!
And I'm sure that LTE is 100% a great standard, since it's all fluff and no guts. Oh yeah, must be WREALLLLZ good. No demonstrated capability, so it MUST be great! Meanwhile HSPA+, god darn it, actually works. Darn! Darn! How can that be? | |
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kudos:4 | Just all marketing posturing.... Nothing really of substance, just hype. | |
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| ! I like, keep up the good work, don't set any dates on such a standard until it's complete. What kind of support will this new technology bring? Will it require major changes in hardware, will it be backward compatible with other HSPA devices? Does this technology improve coverage, how far from the tower can it transmit 650mbps, does it degrade when it's backward compatible like 802.11B/G? Is the entire network being switched over to IP based technology? How secure is it?
Bringing in a new technology into the market has to be more than just speed alone. | |
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