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T-Mobile To Offer Femtocell This Year
Will hopefully avoid value-eroding pitfalls of other carriers
by Karl Bode 01:49PM Tuesday Jan 18 2011
A T-Mobile spokesman tells Light Reading that the company plans to offer a femtocell device sometime during 2011, but the company isn't getting any more specific. At the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona last year, Deutsche Telekom CTO Oliver Baujard insisted the company had no mass-market plans for the devices, which allow consumers to route mobile phone calls over their home broadband networks. The company has a number of hardware releases planned this year, many of them supporting T-Mobile's 21 Mbps HSPA+ upgrades. Hopefully T-Mobile has learned a little something from AT&T and Verizon, who have managed to consistently eliminate all value for such devices by over-charging for hardware, or employing pricing models that eat user voice minutes.

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The Limit
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About these femtocells...

I would happily buy one at full price if I could use it as intended: unlimited calls over home connection.
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thatissick

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Re: About these femtocells...

Agreed. it will be a win if they allow unlimited calls (AND data) anywhere within the femtocell range for free.

FFH
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Re: About these femtocells...

said by thatissick:

Agreed. it will be a win if they allow unlimited calls (AND data) anywhere within the femtocell range for free.

It will most likely use minutes. But that won't be an issue for most users with unlimited minute plans.

As far as data access goes, it really isn't needed in femtocells for most users. And that is because all smartphones have WiFi access too and if you are going to access data why use the femtocell when faster WiFi is available from the wireless router the femtocell is going to be attached to.

Sure a femtocell will be handy for feature phones with data and without WiFi. But those devices are becoming increasingly rare.
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Re: About these femtocells...

said by FFH:

As far as data access goes, it really isn't needed in femtocells for most users. And that is because all smartphones have WiFi access too and if you are going to access data why use the femtocell when faster WiFi is available from the wireless router the femtocell is going to be attached to.

What if you hook up a femtocell directly to a cable or dsl modem in a household that has no router? I know of one.
broccoli

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Re: About these femtocells...

said by thatissick:

What if you hook up a femtocell directly to a cable or dsl modem in a household that has no router?

Almost all DSL 'modems' are routers, even on models with only one LAN jack. I think many femtocells have integrated routers too.

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said by thatissick:

Agreed. it will be a win if they allow unlimited calls (AND data) anywhere within the femtocell range for free.

That honestly doesn't even make sense..you do know that femtocell gets its signal from a wifi internet connection right? So why would you still want your mobile connection?
vanheve2

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Re: About these femtocells...

said by ztmike:

said by thatissick:

Agreed. it will be a win if they allow unlimited calls (AND data) anywhere within the femtocell range for free.

That honestly doesn't even make sense..you do know that femtocell gets its signal from a wifi internet connection right? So why would you still want your mobile connection?

I've never heard of a femtocell getting its signal from WiFi. Where have you seen that? They almost always require a wired connection.

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Re: About these femtocells...

the wired connection typically is itself distributed via a port on a wireless router. A wireless router which provides about the same coverage as a femtocell does.

ztmike
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said by vanheve2:

said by ztmike:

said by thatissick:

Agreed. it will be a win if they allow unlimited calls (AND data) anywhere within the femtocell range for free.

That honestly doesn't even make sense..you do know that femtocell gets its signal from a wifi internet connection right? So why would you still want your mobile connection?

I've never heard of a femtocell getting its signal from WiFi. Where have you seen that? They almost always require a wired connection.

My mistake, I meant a wired internet connection.
dfxmatt

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uh. you do know that femtocell gets its signal from an ethernet connection right? people want the mobile connection so that they can use these in receptionless areas or low coverage areas, such as underground, or buildings where line of sight to nearby mobile towers are obstructed.

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Re: About these femtocells...

said by dfxmatt:

people want the mobile connection so that they can use these in receptionless areas or low coverage areas, such as underground, or buildings where line of sight to nearby mobile towers are obstructed.

What you failed to understand is that I was talking about you don't need your mobile internet connection once you are using a femtocell as a femtocell needs a wired internet connection to work.

Not sure what you are going on about?
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Re: About these femtocells...

what do you think a femtocell does? It uses the mobile connection to connect to the phone.
bn1221

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I doubt they will do that. They nerfed the UMA HotSpot at home. You can still use UMA but it eats your minutes. Truly sad....
watice

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a fair compromise (not likely to occur).. Unlimited (no minutes used) calling over your inet (femtocell) for your phone lines that are on a qualifying tmobile rate plan, but allow other tmo/mvno's access to your femtocell while charging them minutes. This would dramatically increase tmobile's coverage indoors, increase their revenues, while making it fair for those who purchased the femtocell and share their bandwidth. Maybe cap the # of phones allowed on the femtocell based on available bandwidth? Don't know the specifics of how possible this is, and I could be wrong saying this, but it doesn't seem that hard to implement.

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Really Karl?

Really Karl? You are not even going to bother to point out that some of their Android phones T Mobile offers FREE wifi calling?

I don't know how many times I have pointed this out on one of your T Mobile rants.

Here's the same video I been posting before in your rants, guess you should read the comments on your "news story"

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6uPLq3Lr9s

EvelKub
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Re: Really Karl?

The BlackBerry models they offer also have UMA... or at least they did when I had T-Mobile.

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Re: Really Karl?

I just bought one with the new Blackberry 6 OS, still there.

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said by ztmike:

I don't know how many times I have pointed this out on one of your T Mobile rants.

What in the summary is a rant against TMo? He rants about OTHER carriers who've removed any value from the devices, but nothing critical of Tmo.

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Re: Really Karl?

said by cdru:

said by ztmike:

I don't know how many times I have pointed this out on one of your T Mobile rants.

What in the summary is a rant against TMo? He rants about OTHER carriers who've removed any value from the devices, but nothing critical of Tmo.

Yes I'm not aware of any T-Mobile rants. And here I'm talking about how hopefullly they won't screw this up like other carriers. Jeesh.
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said by cdru:

said by ztmike:

I don't know how many times I have pointed this out on one of your T Mobile rants.

What in the summary is a rant against TMo? He rants about OTHER carriers who've removed any value from the devices, but nothing critical of Tmo.

I have argued with Karl plenty of times about leaving out half of the story, but this one didn't seem like a rant at all... I agree that the only rant was against the other carriers and not about T-Mobile.

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I have a T-Mobile G2 and the wifi calling feature says it still uses minutes... guess it's good if your home / work has a poor signal?
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Re: Really Karl?

Looks like a bad deal for users, because you are now using your own internet bandwidth and relieving T-Mobile of that burden, AND you are still paying for air time.. double-dipping of a sort. Femtocell is a ripoff.
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Re: Really Karl?

said by disconnected :

Looks like a bad deal for users, because you are now using your own internet bandwidth and relieving T-Mobile of that burden, AND you are still paying for air time.. double-dipping of a sort. Femtocell is a ripoff.

T-Mobile still has to connect the calls and provide servers for the wi-fi calling or femtocell to connect to.

I think that connecting the call to other t-mobile customers should be included as "mobile to mobile" and weekend and nights should work the same as over the cell network, but for a call that would normally come off your minutes, it should still come off your minutes for wi-fi or a femtocell call.
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Did you even watch your own video? It clearly states that it uses your minutes, which eliminates the point of this app entirely.

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Re: Really Karl?

The point of this app is to give you good coverage in places you usually wouldn't have coverage whether it be your basement or even overseas. It does that just fine. It is not meant to be an easy way to have unlimited minutes.

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said by Dodge:

Did you even watch your own video? It clearly states that it uses your minutes, which eliminates the point of this app entirely.

Okay..let me dumb down what I said a little more. By free I meant the customer doesn't have to go out and buy a femtocell that costs $50-300 dollars, and the T Mobile app doesn't cost you anything per month and can be used on all of your phones.

But yes it still uses your minutes because its using T Mobiles network still. Their not going to let you use their network for free. The wifi part is only getting to their servers.
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Re: Really Karl?

said by ztmike:

...and the T Mobile app doesn't cost you anything per month and can be used on all of your phones. ...

Really?!? All of them?!? Even non-android ones or the ones that don't have wi-fi at all?!? Femtocell will give you ability to use any phone from that provider regardless whether it has it's own wi-fi or not (at least that's how verizon's works).
said by ztmike:

But yes it still uses your minutes because its using T Mobiles network still. Their not going to let you use their network for free. The wifi part is only getting to their servers.

But I have to let them use my home / work network for free???

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Re: Really Karl?

You don't have to let them use your internet, it's only to help you increase coverage when you want it. I personally have the capability on all my T-Mobile phones but don't use it.
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Re: Really Karl?

said by Dodge:

But I have to let them use my home / work network for free???

And they still have to provide extra servers on the other end for the wifi or femtocell to connect to, so it isn't like there's no cost for them.

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I can free call on wifi with my Vibrant (Galaxy S) with no minutes used.
No data cap either for me (grandfathered on a true unlimited internet (YEA!)).

Hit XDA-Developers site, they'll get you straightened out in a hurry.

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Re: Really Karl?

said by TypeNameHere :

I can free call on wifi with my Vibrant (Galaxy S) with no minutes used.
No data cap either for me (grandfathered on a true unlimited internet (YEA!)).

Hit XDA-Developers site, they'll get you straightened out in a hurry.

I am a member there and from what I've seen the app is free, but the service isn't. (for wifi calling)

And its not built into the phones dialer or contacts.

tmh

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What ever happened to UMA?

Now *there's* a capability I'd like have continue. You don't need a dedicate femtocell device. just an ordinary WiFi access point. Anyone's ordinary open WiFi access point.

del ftl

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Re: What ever happened to UMA?

It's still there, they still call it UMA for the Blackberries, and call it "wifi calling" on the android phones.
BiggA

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UMA

That's kinda dumb. The thing is, the one reason I would consider T-Mobile if I were looking for a new carrier is the fact that they have UMA, and don't need a Femtocell.

airtouch25

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Re: UMA

T-Mobile will eventually be phasing out UMA (as we know it today).

SIP will be used going forward starting later this year.

Their new all touchscreen BlackBerry (slated for a summer release) will have the new UMA light client).

Yep you heard it first here on BB Reports!
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Re: UMA

They said that before, and the BB 9700 was the last device to ship with it, and then the G2 and MyTouch 4G came out with UMA advertised as a feature. Is SIP going to just be used as a different backend for the wifi calling feature? I thought UMA was the only way to carry circuit-switched voice and texting over a wifi connection.

BenZ

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@home anyone? Been using mine 3 years without any hiccups!!

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as another line

Don't know if all carriers do this but sprint treats its airrave as if its an additional line. That's just stupid to me