 SLDPremium join:2002-04-17 San Francisco, CA | Still too expensive Dear T-Mobile: go visit virginwirelessusa.com. Come back after you do your reading.
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doesn't 4g (as of 04/11) sucks more that any 3g? Its great, modern its faster and has lower latency, but for now you cannot get it outside metro areas, especially with Clearwire (with Sprint stake). | |
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| Doesn't VIRGIN use SPRINT's network? Yeah, no thanks. All my friends who had sprint stopped coming to my house cause they couldn't get signal. Wonder if I could sue sprint for ruining numerous friendships for me? And what does VIRGIN charge for unlimited talk+text+data? $60. | |
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| said by dave sz:Yeah, no thanks. All my friends who had sprint stopped coming to my house cause they couldn't get signal. Wonder if I could sue sprint for ruining numerous friendships for me? Or just get better friends.
My neighborhood is death for anything besides Sprint. Verizon gets spotty coverage, but AT&T & Tmobile are a total no-show. Kinda glad I have friends that don't shrivel up and die when their cell coverage goes south. | |
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| said by dave sz:Doesn't VIRGIN use SPRINT's network? Yeah, no thanks. All my friends who had sprint stopped coming to my house cause they couldn't get signal. Wonder if I could sue sprint for ruining numerous friendships for me? And what does VIRGIN charge for unlimited talk+text+data? $60. Whst? For getting idiots out of your house? They might argue you should be paying them. Yes, somebody who won't visit a friend due to a simple lack of cell coverage is an idiot. Also, not a true friend. Acquaintances are a dime a dozen and mostly idiots. Real friends are rare, but precious.
On a side note, only Verizon really works inside my house. AT&T has a little signal in some spots-enough to ring and connect, but not enough to hear. I have AT&T-maybe I shouldn't go home. The 2 mentioned are the only 2 with any coverage(Sprint and T-Mo have absolutely 0) Common sense kicked in and I added one of my spare free sip trunks to my Google Voice. As a result, calls are pristine at home and whenever I have wifi, regardless of cell signal. I can even use my Verizon Mifi in those Verizon-only spots. -- A fool thinks they know everything.
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| Re: Still too expensive said by hottboiinnc:TMO has coverage in your home as long as you have a wireless router and the phone has Wireless UMTS/UMA calling enabled on it. Works great! Provided you have a UMA capable phone, which seems to be few. My setup works on almost any smartphone and for any carrier. It has allowed me to cut back my plan quite a bit, as I use my smartphone exclusively. Now, the 450 minute plan is more than enough. I do my international both mobile and sip via Google Voice. -- A fool thinks they know everything.
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| Re: Still too expensive their UMA phones actually are like i said about 50-90%. They're moving ALL of their phones to that thus- why they're pushing smart phones and Androiod. UMA works GREAT. But your setup will NOT work wile your out of your home area. My UMA calling will. It works in anywhere i have an open Internet Connection or know the password to the router where I'm at. I can even connect to the Internet at Nordstroms Department Stores, hotels, and much more. Something you can't do on yours. | |
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| Re: Still too expensive said by hottboiinnc:their UMA phones actually are like i said about 50-90%. They're moving ALL of their phones to that thus- why they're pushing smart phones and Androiod. UMA works GREAT. But your setup will NOT work wile your out of your home area. My UMA calling will. It works in anywhere i have an open Internet Connection or know the password to the router where I'm at. I can even connect to the Internet at Nordstroms Department Stores, hotels, and much more. Something you can't do on yours. Actually, you're wrong. Using SIP, I can even connect internationally, as only the wifi is involved in making the call. As I said, anywhere there is wifi. -- A fool thinks they know everything.
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| said by compuguybna:Virgin Mobile has a history of launching programs their network can't support (Optimus V, MC760 "unlimited" internet). Considering that "their" network is Sprint, and they run the same (if not more demanding devices), I don't see how this logic pans out. | |
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Check out Millenicom a DMVNO that offers several attractive plans with no contract required. | |
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And days will be counting when Millenicom's MVNO contracts will be killed. | |
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 Dominokat"Hi"Premium join:2002-08-06 Boothbay, ME kudos:2 | All this is Mute All this from T-Mobel is mute. Enjoy it now, because 1 year from now you will be ATT and on their terms. We all now what that is.... Bend over and take it like a man. -- I lift things up, and put them down." | |
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| Re: All this is Mute not true. All you are doing with that spreading FUD! If you sign up under a contract with TMO and ATT takes over ATT MUST legally give you what your contract states unless YOU upgrade your services (renew contracts).
T just can't change your terms; They buy your contract and everything else. | |
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| Re: All this is Mute yes they do. They have to leave all services and prices in place if their network does NOT work with current TMO phones that are on the market in contract. If someone's phone does NOT work on the ATT network then TMO's network must be kept in place. T could not just shut the network down or start moving things around. | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: All this is Mute Way to completelly miss the point. My t-mobile phone works just fine on at&ts network (my Touch Pro 2 is unlocked) - but it doesn't get 3g service on it because they use different frequencies. -- "In an ideal world you would get 1 vote for every $1 in federal income taxes that you pay." --C_ | |
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| said by asdfghjklzx5:Way to completelly miss the point. My t-mobile phone works just fine on at&ts network (my Touch Pro 2 is unlocked) - but it doesn't get 3g service on it because they use different frequencies. It will take a year for regulatory approval. Presuming they get approval, I would expect AT&T to set a sunset date 2+ years out to allow contracts to expire before switching off T-Mobile's frequencies, allowing customers to migrate over to AT&T plans and phones.
The only time that the customer is going to have a negative impact is when the frequencies get turned off and they have a 2+ year old phone. But sometimes there is a price for "progress". | |
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| Re: All this is Mute VZ has just as many dead spots as ATT. VZ only focuses on the areas they service and could careless than any others. If they had it their way; they'd kill off all of their remote areas for cell service as well. They only obtained those networks when buying out Airtouch and Dobson's Cell One, and GTE Mobility. They took Alltel only because they needed to extend some of their native coverage that already sucked.
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| said by hottboiinnc:not true. All you are doing with that spreading FUD! If you sign up under a contract with TMO and ATT takes over ATT MUST legally give you what your contract states unless YOU upgrade your services (renew contracts).
T just can't change your terms; They buy your contract and everything else. Don't be naive.
Service on TMO will degrade quickly once the merger goes through. Subscribers won't be able to prove anything, and will quickly either accept dangling "upgrade" offers, or leave for greener pastures. No one will make ATT "legally give you what your contract states". | |
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| Re: All this is Mute I'm not. I'm starting the facts. You fail to see them. And if you leave after the merger- then you pay the ETF. Just by a company buying your current contract does NOT allow you out of your ETF.
Those customers that accept the new offers are just stupid to take them right away instead of waiting their current contract out. And service being degraded? Proof please or are we just trying to spread more fud with this? ATT has one of the better networks; the only thing that killed their network was the whole iPhone thing and the fanboys jumping on them like they were the new slice bread.
And greener pastures? VZ? LMAO! Just as bad as ATT. Sprint? VERY Limited network their AiRavz don't work like they claim; and customer service is just as bad. Also if you call in with too many complaints against service; they send you a nasty gram and ask you to leave. You'll also be asked to pay your ETF because its in their contract. That's always a good thing and greener pastures right? But have you ever heard of that its not always green on the other side? I'm sure you and others will find that out. | |
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| Re: All this is Mute said by hottboiinnc:I'm not. I'm starting the facts. You fail to see them. And if you leave after the merger- then you pay the ETF. Just by a company buying your current contract does NOT allow you out of your ETF.
Sorry, but your "facts" won't help you post-merger, when your service just degrades and you want to leave. I concur, that AT&T will hold you to your end of the contract - but they won't reciprocate.
said by hottboiinnc:Those customers that accept the new offers are just stupid to take them right away instead of waiting their current contract out. And service being degraded? Proof please or are we just trying to spread more fud with this? ATT has one of the better networks; the only thing that killed their network was the whole iPhone thing and the fanboys jumping on them like they were the new slice bread.
Agreed that one shouldn't leave TMO prematurely, and one shouldn't blindly accept the first offer put on the table. But people operate on emotion, and and there is a lot of loathing for T.
Not spreading FUD. AT&T's behavior has been consistent throughout the years. There is nothing uncertain, there is nothing to doubt. Service levels for TMO customers WILL degrade, as prices rise.
Having "one of the better networks" doesn't mean anything, when there are only three. Blaming your incompetence on Apple customers buying the product you intentionally locked up an exclusive sales agreement on?
I hope you don't get too dizzy with your spin. 
said by hottboiinnc:And greener pastures? VZ? LMAO! Just as bad as ATT. Sprint? VERY Limited network their AiRavz don't work like they claim; and customer service is just as bad. Also if you call in with too many complaints against service; they send you a nasty gram and ask you to leave. You'll also be asked to pay your ETF because its in their contract. That's always a good thing and greener pastures right? But have you ever heard of that its not always green on the other side? I'm sure you and others will find that out. I'm not an AT&T wireless customer, and I won't be, ever. They screwed that pooch too many times. U-Verse, maybe - my survey shows they've improved dramatically. Shareholder, sure. If the acquisition goes through, I will NOT be an AT&T customer.
The other carriers have their issues, and I'm famililar with them, but any of them are Green Pastures compared to the Deathstar. | |
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| Re: All this is Mute Where is your proof that TMO will degrade after ATT? You have any actual proof besides what you claim? I'm sure you don't. And incompetence of Apple? LMAO! Smart one! Gotta cut someone down for that eh? And yes any network that added the amount of customers ATT did that fast will crash and just as fast. That's proven. Should we go back to see how the Wireless network work? They work like any other network;They are a SHARED service. You add too many customers too fast the network will fall. That is just common sense that you seem to lack in that department.
And greener pastures? LMAO! Yah Sprint; cheap service that doesn't work; VZ; high prices and customer service that is just as bad and best part is- still out sources 90% of their company. Great company eh?!? But I'm sure you enjoy giving your money to a company that supports out sourcing your credit card information and other billing information to other countries. | |
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| Re: All this is Mute said by hottboiinnc:Where is your proof that TMO will degrade after ATT? You have any actual proof besides what you claim?
I'm sure you don't. And incompetence of Apple? LMAO! Smart one! Gotta cut someone down for that eh? And yes any network that added the amount of customers ATT did that fast will crash and just as fast. That's proven. Should we go back to see how the Wireless network work? They work like any other network;They are a SHARED service. You add too many customers too fast the network will fall. That is just common sense that you seem to lack in that department.
And greener pastures? LMAO! Yah Sprint; cheap service that doesn't work; VZ; high prices and customer service that is just as bad and best part is- still out sources 90% of their company. Great company eh?!? But I'm sure you enjoy giving your money to a company that supports out sourcing your credit card information and other billing information to other countries. I've observed AT&T for a very long time. Their historical track record is sufficient to predict their future actions. Their wireless TDMA product offering was tolerable; their customer service, wireline and cable ventures were shameful. Lately, their cable product is improving. One doesn't need to "prove" the case, it is given; if you want to believe otherwise, that's your privilege.
AT&T was incompetent when they intentionally signed an exclusive agreement with Apple - without first adequately deploying capacity on their network. You can't blame Apple for that.
Note, that I've made criticisms of Sprint (charter customer) and Verizon (wired and wireless) for many years - the difference with those firms, is that much of the time, they learned from their mistakes and improved their delivery.
Like you, I'm [still] not impressed with the Sprint product line, but when it works for one, it is an awesome alternative to AT&T.
I don't mind giving my money to a company that delivers what it promises, and if that means they use outsourced services, that's fine with me. As for data insecurity, there is no risk supplying any vendor with your credit card number, so long as you reconcile your statement; MC and Visa put the burden of proof and risk on the merchant, not you. Hysteria about "hacked/stolen credit cards" is misguided, at best. | |
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T-Mobile can kill the merger just by lowering prices. Then they'll get $3 billion in cash, AWS spectrum that AT&T can't use (w/o T-Mobile because its not a nationwide piece) and a 'favorable roaming agreement from AT&T. | |
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| My cap Is still 5GB because I am on a grandfathered android data plan when I got my G1 a few years ago. I've never really had to worry about hitting that cap because ive rarely ever come close but this weekend I did when I went to visit some family for the weekend I used about 4GB and have about 450mb left lol. | |
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| Re: lol It may but they also offer their phones with Wifi so no need to always be on their data network. And why problems with Edge? my phone goes between 3G and Edge all the time in my house if it's on TMOs and Edge is just fine. The only thing I can't do is activate the wireless router in my phone with edge---it kills my connection. | |
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 |  GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium join:2001-09-30 Santa Rosa, CA kudos:8 | It says "reduced speeds", not EDGE. It could just revert to a 3G network, so down to AT&T speeds. -- My Blog 2.2 | |
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 jtel join:2005-06-28 Bristol, RI | Misprint? Shouldn't that read $60 and $80? | |
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| Re: Looks like I'm going to Verizon You do realize that data on TMO phones is unlimited right? VZ is unlimited as well; but the fact that their prices (along with T) are the highest in the country doesn't make an employer discount offset the fact that its about 15% higher on average.
Renew your contract keep the same rate plan as you have now and keep it for 2 years. The pricing that is on this site is nothing but the lower priced plans and not the unlimited ones. Karl fails to mention that. | |
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 ztmikeMark for moderationPremium join:2001-08-02 Michigan City, IN | What a surprise
Looks to me like T Mobile is already going the way of AT&T plans. With their 2GB reach.
I can just imagine it when AT&T DOES take over.
O well..I dropped TMO and will be going with Straight Talk with their Nokia E71 smartphone. | |
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| Re: What a surprise That's been an option before the merger. Just never said anything on here because TMO wasn't ATT or VZ or even Sprint. They were always left out of the neg. "news".
The fact is these are FlexPay Plans for the most part and NOT contract plans. But you can get them on a contract if you really want them. You save a few bucks but not very much. | |
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 FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium join:2005-03-19 | 2GB?! wow. That sounds very familiar to a certain other GSM carriers data cap. | |
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| fail I just fail to see how this will help the supposed "broadband initiative"
For areas that are just out of range of what AT&T or cable companies want to wire, wireless is the ONLY option except satellite...
With such insanely low caps, satellite is simply a better option for people who want more than 2-5 gigs worth of data in a month.
Kind of silly.
I get it for phones, sure. Fine. A data card should not be so restricted though. None of the carriers HAVE TO do this (cap so low, esp. on cards), but it sure smells a lot like some kind of collusion. | |
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 |  fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium join:2005-07-01 Atlanta, GA | Re: T-Mobile, the nations largest 2G (GPRS/EDGE) network. Why, here in metro Atlanta for sure, I'm getting 6100kbps download/2100kbps upload using my Android phone on T-Mobile. It's faster than Sprint's WiMax where I live.  | |
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| screw tmobile.. at&t too even that walmart based (no contract) family plan sucks! can't imagine that things would get better merging with at&t, except maybe more dropped calls-- so better for the carrier as more "completed calls" means more potential profit for the carrier as you redial.
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| Re: screw tmobile.. at&t too Your expecting Sprint, Metro PCS and Clearwire to grow a pair of competitive balls? Irrespective of what the big two wireless giants do (AT&T and Verizon)
You'll sooner have 99 cent/gallon gasoline back! | |
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 st89jebnPremium join:2009-07-22 Drexel Hill, PA | What should I do? I have TMO Even More for Families 1500 Talk and Unlimited Domestic Messages for Families. The plan covers me, my wife and two oldest children. Monthly bill total is $127.
We don't have smartphones, internet or data plans, and have no need for them. My wife and I both have old Razr V3 phones and we are eligible for upgrades. The kids have a Samsung t239 and a Nokia 2720 and will be eligible to upgrade before the end of the year. We would all like to have more modern phones, but not expensive ones. I am afraid to extend the contract with all of the merger talk. What's a good inexpensive phone to buy? Should I buy an unlocked phone somewhere or should I just buy from TMO extending our TMO contract? | |
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