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shmerl
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2015-Jan-15 5:48 pm
Why are those called unlimited?Does it refer to 128 Kbps after the cap? | |
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Re: Why are those called unlimited?Yes, they're arguing you technically have "unlimited" data even though much of that will be throttled after hitting your cap. | |
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Re: Why are those called unlimited?I think cap is an inaccurate way of looking at it. As much as I hate marketing ploys, in terms of mobile data it's better to think of it as Legere calls them - buckets of high-speed data. You have an allowance of a 1GB or 5GB high speed LTE data, then you get the "normal" speed for the remainder.
Note: I'm not arguing that carriers are creating artificial scarcity for profits. Their rollover/data stash programs contradict themselves. Just saying that the term "cap" usually conjures a hard cap (like NFL salary cap vs. NBA salary cap). | |
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|  Goliath2k
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That's how I think T-Mobile should change their Music Freedom plan to make it truly net neutral. Offer an application on people's phones that allows them to, at will, self-throttle down to 128 kbps and not have any of the data used during that session count against one's monthly bandwidth.
This way, any service that can operate on 128 kbps is eligible for Music Freedom, and T-Mobile doesn't have to worry about accusations of favoritism. | |
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openbox9
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2015-Jan-16 12:05 am
Re: Why are those called unlimited?Or, if T-Mo really actually wants to be disruptive, remove caps and throttles. | |
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Re: Why are those called unlimited?they already offer that. it's the $80 plan which is a really good deal if you need that much data. For everyone else the data capped plans save them some money, I think they've found a nice middle ground that gets everyone what they want. Savings for those that don't need unlimited high speed data and unlimited high speed data for those that are willing to pay just a little more for it. Seems to be a good way to manage the network to me. Cellular networks are contained by the amount of spectrum the carrier has and the amount of users on a tower at any particular point they aren't limitless.
Some people are never happy. | |
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openbox9
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2015-Jan-19 11:54 am
Re: Why are those called unlimited?You call an $80/mth plan disruptive? It's not that I'm not happy, I'm just tired of all of the hoopla about T-Mo being disruptive when really the plans aren't that much different from other carriers' comparative plans. | |
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Re: Why are those called unlimited?Neither Verizon or AT&T offer unlimited data at all.
the 6GB plan on AT&T costs $15 more than T-mobile's unlimited.
and the 3GB plan costs $15 more than T-mobile's 3GB plan on postpaid.
That's a fairly big difference to me.
In my opinion the only thing t-mobile needs to work on is expanding their network, I get great service were I live, but I know that's not true everywhere. | |
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openbox9
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2015-Jan-19 2:27 pm
Re: Why are those called unlimited?To you. How many people need that "unlimited"? AT&T's 3 GB plan costs $15 less than T-mobile's unlimited plan.
I agree that T-mobile needs to expand its network. Perhaps then, it might actually be disruptive. | |
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Re: Why are those called unlimited?First you argue that they should drop the throttling and then that most people don't need more than 3GB? I think you need to pick one side of the argument.
If most users don't need more than 3GB then their is a $60 T-mobile plan for that. and they are getting significantly more data than they would get on AT&T thanks to music freedom is they stream music.
Either way they don't have to live in fear of overages for going over their cap like they would with AT&T or Verizon. | |
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openbox9
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2015-Jan-20 3:17 am
Re: Why are those called unlimited?No, I'm arguing about the marketing gimmicks that T-Mobile uses. T-Mobile isn't that much different than the other big three. Prices are inline with competitors. The biggest disruption IMO is the CEO's mouth. But it seems to be working for him. | |
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Wouldn't work and would be a inferior implementation.
First of not all services use less than 128 kbps and even the ones that do operate better when they can buffer a large amount of the next song quickly. google music for instance uses up to 320 kbps depending on your connection capabilities and the setting you choose. Also who says the only thing people are doing when they stream music is just streaming music. It would slow your whole phone down to a crawl which a lot of people never even hit their cap and experience thanks to music freedom. It would degrade their experience and make it more complex to use, both bad from a customer perspective.
Their are a few nayers online who complain about music freedom, but every t-mobile subscriber I know loves it, well at least the ones without completely unlimited data like me who it doesn't really affect. | |
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Will they still offer the $30 5GB plan?Will they still offer the "$30 UL Data & Int Text (5GB at 4G)" plan with 100 minutes of voice?
I've been happy with the $30 plan, never an overage or throttling, due to my anemic use, although I'd take less data and texting if I could find it, for the GSM iPhone. | |
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| rradina
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Re: Will they still offer the $30 5GB plan?This is the best prepaid secret in the industry. My 11 year old just activated his first cell phone and this is the plan he has. He pays for it and it's perfect for him. I gave him my old iPhone 4 and it he loves it. | |
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| |  ArrayListDevOps
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ArrayList
Premium Member
2015-Jan-16 10:37 am
Re: Will they still offer the $30 5GB plan?I've been on the fence with getting a phone for my 12 year old with this plan for about a year. | |
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|  Irun Man
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to ArgMeMatey
I have this plan and it's a steal. It's only available at select Wal-Mart stores and T-Mobile com; it also requires activating a new line. | |
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join:2002-04-30
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Perhaps now is the time to change plans.I may be moving from the $30 100 minute plan. It's been great, but I could use more minutes.
One question: is anyone calling internationally using postpaid, or prepaid, with T-Mobile? What service do you use? I see that T-Mobile has international calling services, but I don't have much experience with it. Do you use a 3rd party calling card service instead? My wife needs to call her dad in Japan. | |
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|  tobyTroy Mcclure
join:2001-11-13
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toby
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2015-Jan-15 7:06 pm
Re: Perhaps now is the time to change plans.I don't believe that music unlimited is included on these plans if that matters to you, on your 5G/100 min plan, it is. | |
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Re: Perhaps now is the time to change plans.I'm pretty sure speed tests are exempt and I thought music was too. This could be a recent change though. | |
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| | ArrayListDevOps
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to toby
I'm pretty sure music is exempt. I've used over 6gb of data this month on the $30 100 min plan and most of that is google play music all access. No messages from t-mobile or slowdowns. | |
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|  cb14
join:2013-02-04
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My TMO plan does not allow international calling which i wouild not use anyway. I use Localphone and Callwithus for my international calls from my TMO cell phone. I use them for my VOIP phone and they have a calling card option. | |
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I use Google Voice. At least on Android handsets, the Google Voice client can be configured to intercept calls made from the default dialer and route them through Google Voice's access number, similar to using a calling card. Otherwise you can make calls using the Hangouts dialer, which would be over a data connection. | |
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twiddle cheap twiddle cheaperthese plans are garbage..
they are just "buy more data" plans because 128kbit will make you wish you never got used to having cellphone data anywhere.. if they can't at least do a 1 - 5 megabit (per customer ymmv) throttle down, screw tmobile and all the carriers. | |
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| ArrayListDevOps
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ArrayList
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2015-Jan-16 10:39 am
Re: twiddle cheap twiddle cheaperWhat did I just read? | |
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chlen
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2015-Jan-15 7:33 pm
How is this better than ATT?So enlighten me because I tried TMO and you cant hit their cap because LTE drops out even in Boston and NYC all over the place.
However take coverage out of this....
ATT gave me 15gb for about 158 and change after corporate discount ~20%. Round it to 160.
Recently they doubled the data to 30gb between my 3 phones.
We own our phones and have Ip5S SGS5 and LGG2 without contract. Now they are starting to do rollover data. We never go through 30. My wife uses next to nothing and my brother and I basically split 27gb. We have never even come close.
I like that TMO is forcing ATT to compete but ATT covers everywhere just about and has blazing fast reliable LTE.
You can't listen to music driving from Albany to NYC and that is a busy highway. You drop in places to edge even driving 95 from NYC to Boston...
At $53/person I cant see how any of this is a better deal. | |
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| ArrayListDevOps
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ArrayList
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2015-Jan-16 10:40 am
Re: How is this better than ATT?I've used TMO in Boston and NYC. Great coverage in both places. You may want to check the device you were using. | |
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chlen
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2015-Jan-16 2:10 pm
Re: How is this better than ATT?said by ArrayList:I've used TMO in Boston and NYC. Great coverage in both places. You may want to check the device you were using. T-Mobile branded unlocked s5, 5s, and G2. NYC and Boston are better than other places, but not as good at the big two. | |
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Re: How is this better than ATT?I don't know what to say, I can hit 80+mbps quite regularly in Boston. | |
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| | | | chlenEthically Challenged
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chlen
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2015-Jan-16 3:32 pm
Re: How is this better than ATT?It is not about speed. Speed is useless if you cant rely on your service. In building penetration is horrible.
The second you are out past Alston on 90 LTE drops out. It doesnt even stay up between Framingham and Brookline the whole way. Try streamin spotify from NYC to Boston on 95 and it will cut out on you in parts.
I think TMO is important for making ATT so competitive, but frankly ATT is cheaper for our 3 lines and you get the good coverage.
Verizon has by far the best coverage but they will never get a penny from me personally. My work phone is a VZ though since that is my employer's provider. It works everywhere.
TMO is forsing others to compete, but frankly they just dont have the product that business professionals can rely on. If your living depends on being connected TMO is bad.
I know they are converting Edge but they are way behind. In an out of coverage like swiss cheese is no way to operate. | |
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Re: How is this better than ATT?Beats me, I have wifi at work. I don't count on anything penetrating buildings.
and I live in Brighton Center. LTE is 5 x 5 and strong here. I don't know why our experiences are so different. | |
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Cricket is betterYou get the same 8 Mbps with 10 gigs instead of 5 for the same price. Not to mention AT&T's coverage is much better. | |
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Re: Cricket is betterI agree, even MetroPCS is better than this... $60 for unlimited talk/text, and unlimited 4G data... | |
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I dont understand..It is already capped at 8Mbs down ( what is the up? ) so why throttle all the way down to 128kbs? You arent getting 4G speeds in the first place. | |
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w0g
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2015-Jan-15 7:56 pm
better deals out there» www.harbormobile.com/These guys sell T-Mobile Business plans. Price: $30 unlimited txt/talk + 2.5GB LTE data unlimited 2G. $40 has 4.5GB LTE data. $50 has unlimited LTE data. These plans have #MusicFreedom too.  :B | |
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|  SysOp
join:2001-04-18
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SysOp
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2015-Jan-16 10:29 am
Re: better deals out thereCurrently I am using Ultra Mobile $39 plan with talk, text and 500mb then 128kbps throttle only because I am getting the preloaded sim cards on ebay for $18 shipped but I am considering Harbor because of the availability to roam.
Next I may try the Harbor Mobile $33 plan | |
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|  91862239
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wont they change cuz the plans belong to tmobile ? throttled is why i left cricket crap now what am i gona do  | |
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linicx
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2015-Jan-15 8:20 pm
Another OptionTRACFONE PLANS ARE NATIONWIDE. MOST OFFER ROLL OVER, UNLIMITED ROAMING PLUS UNLIMITED TEXT AND DATA WITH MOST PREPAID PLANS. SOME OF THE NO CONTRACT PHONES ARE SOLD WITH DOUBLE AND TRIPLE MINUTES AS A BONUS. SEVERAL TYPES OF PHONES FROM FLIP TALK AND TEXT TO SMART TYPE PHONES. .
My LG phone is 3G/WiFi/Bluetooth capable with Internet, camera, video recorder and more. Where I live in rural America we are very lucky to see 3G and WiFi. It's a good deal as I get triple minutes and I am not locked into a certain amount every month. | |
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|  Simba7I Void Warranties
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Simba7
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2015-Jan-15 10:23 pm
Re: Another OptionMeh.. I prefer ST's BYOP plan. I have had a Note II (i317) on that plan for ~2 years now. | |
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2015-Jan-15 8:21 pm
Unlimited?How is that unlimited, if they cap it? Do they not understand the English language? | |
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2015-Jan-15 8:38 pm
How is this 'simple'?There's still a dizzying array of choices and options and add-ons. Just have one fucking plan. "Everything we have - $60 a month".
You're still beating everybody else and you're really making it *simple*. Having prepaid and postpaid that are similar price points but have different benefits and options, and having a subsidy/not, and all those other differences are just nonsense. | |
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| openbox9
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openbox9
Premium Member
2015-Jan-16 12:10 am
Re: How is this 'simple'?Bingo. Until T-Mo steps up to something like this, it's no different than the other carriers. | |
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| rradina
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They offered that in December. 2 lines, $100/month unlimited everything. They did have a few optional services such as "track your family phones" and voicemail to text service but voice, text and data were truly unlimited. No rollover, don't need it. No exempt services because, again, you don't need it. I have three lines on it for $140 and I've stopped bothering with hot spots. In my home I connect to WiFi because I have 100Mbps HSI and 802.11ac but everywhere else, believe it or not, TMO LTE is faster and more reliable than whatever hotspot is available. Even in my corporate office, they throttle WiFi to 5Mbps. Even in the elevator on LL, TMO LTE is 30Mbps.
My biggest problem now is most apps don't have a way to stop warning you about the fact that you are using your mobile data plan. If I had metered service I'd want that warning but not anymore. I think I used close to 20GB last month on my phone alone. Despite only having one bar of signal, it still works great in my house with Netflix and Amazon Instant Video. | |
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join:2004-04-20
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Capped and throttled to death is not unlimitedI'll keep my uncapped unlimited Sprint. I may be grandfathered into a mere 450+300 anytime minutes, unlimited mobile to any mobile, but I do get unlimited and uncapped on network 4Glte | |
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join:2007-03-10
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II could deal with this if the non lte isn't dialup.. Least you don't have to worry about overages or not being able to use data..
I know ATT's 4g in my area works just as well as the LTE so it doesn't matter which I get here lol. | |
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Why?....are these new prepaid plans capped at 8Mbps download speed? And no Music Freedom? Didn't the previous prepaid plans have unlimited download speed potential? Didn't the previous prepaid plans have Music Freedom? Yes they did. Sounds like a retrograde to me. I hope my $30 100 min. Plan doesn't change. Otherwise I will change...to another carrier. » www.androidcentral.com/t ··· ying-putHere it is....from Android Central via Howardforums. Looks like the old prepaid plans remain intact. These are just newer plans for folks that want to save even more $$$ per month on prepaid. And the $30 plan won't be killed. Good.  | |
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