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Hotspot@Home service expanding to landline?
(old news - 11:17AM Thursday Aug 09 2007)
tags: business · wireless · hardware · VoIP · TMobile
In June, T-Mobile launched their Hotspot@Home UMA service, which lets users "seamlessly" (depending who you ask) transfer calls between their cellular network and Wi-Fi. Hotspot@Home costs T-Mobile users $19.99 per month for a single line (there is a $10 introductory rate currently running) or $24.99 per month for up to five lines. So far, it only supports two phones: the Samsung t409 and the Nokia 6086.



Users can then use T-Mobile's network of 8,500 hotspots to make calls. Our users tell us the service also works on residential routers, unlike the recent service launched by Cincinatti Bell, which restricts users to just their Wi-Fi network. T-Mobile offers users a branded D-Link or Linksys WRT54G for home use.

It had been expected that the service would eventually be expanded so users could integrate home phone lines as well. TG Daily somewhat confirms this plan with an early glimpse at the T-Mobile/Linksys WRTU54G, which has room for two GSM SIM cards and supports two phone lines.

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inteller
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dont pay companies to make their lives easier.

You are paying t-mobile for the towers they won't put up to give you coverage in your house. pretty insulting if you ask me.
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Re: dont pay companies to make their lives easier.

I agree they should have more coverage if they are having issues this is them saying "How can we save more money"
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I concur. All they would need to do is making the phone able to hop on any wireless network and connect to a voip box on their end and then the customer could use any internet connection.
Verizon could then just keep tallying up your minutes while you are on VOIP and then they continue to make money. Damn commen sense, or damn not screwing over the customer.
hammer_md

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you don't have to pay anything extra to get the wifi coverage.

the $9.99 optional plan is for unlimited wifi minutes - at home, at your friend's home, at starbucks, etc.

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nice

So I wonder if all UMA phone service is free. AT&T's new 8820 coming out in a week has WiFi UMA also so wonder if that's free from a WiFi connection.
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August 9th, @11:52AM

From a user

Actually, as a Hotspot@Home user I'd be more than happy to explain this to you.

By default, any HS@Home capable handset can use the service, however, calls made over the VOIP/WIFI network are billed against your airtime minutes/plan.

The "charge" for the HS@Home service permits unlimited calls to continental US numbers.

Additionally, when placing calls over their VOIP network the call audio fidelity is significantly superior to that of the cellular network. I'd go as far as to say my ears are unable to distinguish the differences between a land-line phone and the call quality of the VOIP service.

I've been using the service for about a month now and have no jitter, dropped calls, or transition issues from WiFi to cellular.

The 6086 supports WEP, WPA-PSK, and WPA2-PSK. I've created a static lease reservation on my Buffalo WHR-G54S router running OpenWRT (»www.openwrt.org) and have set QoS prio on the phone's IPs to take precedence over any other traffic.

A call over the HS@Home network uses about 37 to 40 Kbps, a very light amount of traffic to sustain.

I'm not a T-Mobile shill or employee, but as a user of the service I felt qualified to comment.

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Re: From a user

said by evilghost See Profile :

By default, any HS@Home capable handset can use the service, however, calls made over the VOIP/WIFI network are billed against your airtime minutes/plan.

The "charge" for the HS@Home service permits unlimited calls to continental US numbers.
Unlimited calling, but charged to airtime minutes, and $20/mo doesn't sound like much of a deal. If you are on the phone a lot at home, you may also have to increase your wireless plan costs to add more minutes.
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August 9th, @12:56PM

Re: From a user

No, you are incorrect. If you pay for the Hotspot@Home service it does not bill against your airtime minutes when using WiFi. It does bill against your minutes if when using WiFi you are not enrolled in the HS@Home service and pay the monthly fee.

UMA equipped phones can use the UMA service "HS@Home" regardless, the only difference is the method of billing (airtime versus the monthly fee for the HS@Home add-on).

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Re: From a user

said by evilghost See Profile :

No, you are incorrect. If you pay for the Hotspot@Home service it does not bill against your airtime minutes when using WiFi. It does bill against your minutes if when using WiFi you are not enrolled in the HS@Home service and pay the monthly fee.
OK. Thanks for the clarification. Those 2 statements seemed conflicting.
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Re: From a user

No problem, bold was for emphasis of differences to better clarify, hope you didn't infer tone/yelling from that.
Joe12345678

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is your cell phone data free at the same time as well?

evilghost
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Re: From a user

Negative, data is still routed over GPRS/EDGE and billed at the same rate. If you don't have cellular coverage data doesn't work.

greendragon
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Re: From a user

I can't wait for the day when we can use the technology like hotspot@home for calling and data, but be able to do it at any wifi hotspot.

I'd pay more than 19.99 to do both and do it everywhere.
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I have to disagree. I use data services on my phone over wifi all the time.

greendragon
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Re: From a user

Yes, but can you use WiFi to call someone without using your minutes?
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aaron8301
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Re: From a user

Have you read ANYTHING in this thread? If you pay the fee for HS@home, you get unlimited minutes while on wifi.

greendragon
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Re: From a user

Ok...

Calling someone using hotspot@home for $19.99 a month = no minutes used

Calling someone using hotspot@home not paying 19.99 a month = minutes used

I get all that

When you use the data service, eventhough you pay for hotspot@home, means that you use the cell network not the wifi network for data. So, hotspot@home is good for voice calls, but makes no difference for data service.

I would like to have a plan like hotspot@home work for voice and data for one price and not use minutes or pay cellular data charges when using a wifi hotspot.

Did I make myself clear this time?
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August 9th, @05:45PM

Re: From a user

said by greendragon See Profile :

Did I make myself clear this time?
Yes, however, I believe you are mistaken:
said by greendragon See Profile :

When you use the data service, eventhough you pay for hotspot@home, means that you use the cell network not the wifi network for data. So, hotspot@home is good for voice calls, but makes no difference for data service.
Until last week, I lived in a home that had no cell service from any provider whatsoever. In that home, while my phone was connected to wifi, the phone would use data services. There was NO cellular network for it to use, so it had to have been using wifi for data.

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Re: From a user

I've read different, so, here's my testing from my Nokia 6086 and the tcpdump packet capture of two instances, a VOIP placed call, and the second being data activity on the phone to TZones.

VOIP call (snip)


Data to T-Zones Only (snip)

So you are exactly 100% correct aaron83_01, sorry for the misinformation. Perhaps I read it incorrectly and what they were saying was that data wasn't unlimited on Wifi, only voice, and I created the improper assumption that it used GMRS/EDGE. Thanks for correcting me.

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August 9th, @11:37PM

Re: From a user

Ok, so is Data limited when using wifi? (I would think not) or is it just when using the cell network? Does this work from any wifi spot or does it have to have a connection to T-Mobile somehow?

This is actually sounding pretty cool.
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Re: From a user

That I have no idea, and I don't know what T-mobile says about it, either. I only knew that data worked on wifi because like I said, I had absolutely no cell service at my house (from any carrier), and I could still use it.
hammer_md

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Re: From a user

data (sms, web, etc.) works over wifi and is pretty darn fast, but standard pricing applies.

datahead

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Data works over the wifi, but you are charged standard rates.

To clarify some other areas of confusion, the $19.99 unlimited calling plan is optional. If you just want to get better coverage in your house without paying anything extra, you can just use the UMA phones for wifi calling. As some have mentioned before, any minutes you use this way will just count as regular minutes off your plan.

CO_Chris
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I cant wait .

I can't wait for my VZ contract to end in DEC so i can get this service i just hope they have newer phones.VZ sucks in my Apt i only get 1 to 2 bars even if i go out side i get the same .

unknown user

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Re: I cant wait .

you should call Verizon and threaten to cancel because of tech issues. They will give you 1 mo free.. lol
acrowl

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Sprint and Nextel....Just wait.

All,

Sprint is testing a technology for CDMA customers. The advantage of the CDMA version of this is that it works with any CDMA phone. You do have to purchase a special box (not a router).

This special box actually transmits on the assigned frequencies of the carrier. It does not use WiFI. So it has a requirement of knowing where it is located to ensure it is in compliance with the FCC. So it has to be located where it can hear the GPS satellites. So by a window will do. If it can not hear the GPS satellites. it will not work. The other item if interest is that you can only register up to five phone to work with the box.

It does take your voice calls and routes it over your high speed network in the house. Pricing has not been released. Samsung is a big vendor for this technology.

Things are going to get interesting soon. So you CDMA customers, hold tight. Our day will be here soon.

Regards

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Re: Sprint and Nextel....Just wait.

To piggie-back your post.

Hotspot@Home handles 911 like this:

1) Attempt to route 911 call using cellular network
2) If cellular unavailable route call using VOIP
3) Attempt to determine location using cellular, fall back to E911 location defined in service.

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said by acrowl See Profile :

All,

Sprint is testing a technology for CDMA customers. The advantage of the CDMA version of this is that it works with any CDMA phone. You do have to purchase a special box (not a router).

This special box actually transmits on the assigned frequencies of the carrier. It does not use WiFI. So it has a requirement of knowing where it is located to ensure it is in compliance with the FCC. So it has to be located where it can hear the GPS satellites. So by a window will do. If it can not hear the GPS satellites. it will not work. The other item if interest is that you can only register up to five phone to work with the box.

It does take your voice calls and routes it over your high speed network in the house. Pricing has not been released. Samsung is a big vendor for this technology.

Things are going to get interesting soon. So you CDMA customers, hold tight. Our day will be here soon.

Regards
Sounds interesting, but the "must grab GPS signal" will ruin it for a lot of people. Also the T-Mobile option seems better because the phone will grab onto any available WiFi router, so one could make/get free calls all day long at work or school. Finally GSM is a personal option for me, I use a lot of phone data and my CDMA phone would send callers straight to voicemail when I used data, where GSM will let them ring through.
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Re: Sprint and Nextel....Just wait.

the new cdma phones through verizon will continue to talk and data transfer. that was the old days.
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Kniveton

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Umm yeah..

I have the same thing, except it's called a Nokia E61i and my own VoIP server. Works great and I don't pay anything beyond the phone line. You can hook up to a variety of SIP service providers....
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Hotspot@home

I recently picked up the Nokia because our new house has no service beyond the kitchen. I like it, but after some issues with our WRT54GX2 we went and purchased the T-Mobile Linksys to try and figure out where the blame was.
The T-Mobile Linksys worked wonderfully except that it took down our Viatalk service. I could not figure out why. T-Mobile couldn't pin point it either. I would have asked Viatalk but after 3 calls and 6 hours of hold time they closed.
Interestingly enough I did find the problem with GX2 and it works again so the T-Mobile can go back.
The only issue we have now is that we have to end the call before leaving the house. It will not transition between WiFi and GSM, not a big issue, but it is there.
We didn't sign up for the plan, we just wanted service in the house.
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question

OK, all this sounds good but can my mother-in-law who is not savvy nor am I that savvy on set ups have to go thru a lot of techy stuff to set up? or is the tech-support(hopefully local ) able to walk me thru this process of set up?
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Will this work in power outages?

How about us people that live in hurricane areas. Where does the dialtone come from? Is there a landline that connects to the router in your home? Is this over a naked DSL line or what? When the power goes out will a person be able to hook up a wired phone to something to get phone service? When wilma hit down here I never lost my landline but all the cell carriers were down for at least 5 days.

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Re: Will this work in power outages?

It's a cell phone - it'll work fine in a power outage until the battery runs out! Then you can charge it in your car.
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someone explain VOIP to this person.

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Re: Will this work in power outages?

His question #1 is valid.

He's asking two different questions. One: What is the SOURCE of your ability to make calls...is it controlled by T-mobile or can the phone act independently?

That's a good question to know. We know the phone can function off of a wifi hotspot, but it seems to require some type of voice plan subscription through T-mobile. So if T-mobile goes down, does that mean the phone won't function at all? I'd like to know the answer to that.

Answer to your second question is no. The router won't have a standard phone jack. It's not a VoIP modem. It's simply a wireless router.

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intro period

does anyone know when the 9.99 period will end?

Jonsee

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Re: intro period

I would like to know that as well.
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