 axus join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC | Perhaps they hope everyone will switch to wireless Telcos have wireless, cable does not. So, telcos would love to see everyone drop wired connections and get everything over the airwaves. Where network neutrality rules shouldn't apply, of course.
Wireless is cool, but for anything that really needs 100mbps, I think I'd prefer a wired connection. | |
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At least there is not many of them. Not in Midwest for sure. | |
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Personally, I suspect that VZW knew this a long time ago, and planned for this with their sale of POTS/DSL to Frontier. If I thought of it - I would expect that those highly paid folks in the war room at VZ/VZW would have. | |
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 |  Simba7I Void Warranties join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT | said by axus:Telcos have wireless, cable does not. So, telcos would love to see everyone drop wired connections and get everything over the airwaves. Where network neutrality rules shouldn't apply, of course. Wireless is cool, but for anything that really needs 100mbps, I think I'd prefer a wired connection. You forgot to mention their wonderful 2GB Cap (at&t) or 5GB Cap (Verizon, everyone else). Then they can charge you as much as they want if you go over.
Only one that won't sock you with overages so far is CricKet (which isn't available here). -- Bresnan 18M/1M MyWS[E5200@3.75GHz,4GB RAM,2x1TB HDDs,Win7] WifeWS[A64@2GHz,2GB RAM,120GB HDD,Win7] Router[2xP3@1GHz,512MB RAM,18GB HDD,SMC 8432BTA,2xDigital DE504,Compaq NC3131,Intel Pro/1000MT,IBM Gigabit Ethernet-SX,Allied Telesyn AT2560FX,Gentoo Linux] | |
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 |  |  n2ubp join:2007-07-13 Middletown, NY | Re: DSL is on it's death bed In my area a combined POTS / ADSL connection from Frontier also includes about $17 in fees, surcharges, and taxes.. The numbers don't say it all... | |
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and Mediacom 3Mb/256 $30 12Mb/1 $47 20/2 $60 | |
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| Re: DSL is on it's death bed promo $14.95/month for AT&T DSL up to 3MBps (no one here provisions for 6MBps)
Dry-loop for the same price (no phone service required).
DSL remains the cheapest broadband internet service.
I'm betting the above 'promo' price becomes permanently available, given the slowness of DSL vs. cable/fiber. | |
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 |  dogtechLet Us Build It join:2002-06-08 Toledo, OH | They will not get left behind....att/verizon have a wireless business that is way more profitable than any wireline business and that includes cable. | |
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But uVerse is just rebranded DSL. (speed wise) I'm not sure AT&T customers are going to be happy with those speeds for very long. -- Intel Q6600 @3400Mhz/GA-EP35-DS3P/4x 2048Mb G.Skill/WD Raptor 300Gb/3x WD20EADS 2TB/2x PNY GTX 260/Silverstone 850W/Custom water cooler/Antec Twelve-Hundred | |
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I was on a personal boycot on Comcast for many, many years...guess what I did...I became a Comcast Internet subscriber...WOW is all I can say!!! | |
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 |  PathfinderDazed ConfusedPremium join:2000-03-26 Mount Vernon, NY | Verizon installed 559 new FIOS customers in Brooklyn last week. I don't know where you live but it is all over Brooklyn. | |
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Talk about numbers. VZ's product isn't taking off like they hoped. They only moved to FTTH to get rid of the line share agreements with DSL and to be on their own. Was a win win for them. Customer's still got stuck with the same ol' telco who could careless about anything but the profit moving in.
FiOS will be dead--as far as expanding anymore after most of their NYC agreement has been met. After that if you don't have it now- there will be a good 98% chance you'll never see it and will be sold off. -- www.twopugsbrand.com Kosher, Vegan, and Organic Certified Dog and Cat treats/foods and other products! www.etsy.com/shop/snakx4u/ Organic, Kosher, Gluten Free, Vegan Human Baked Goods | |
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2 edits | Re: what fios!!! from verizon yeah ok! said by hottboiinnc:FiOS will be dead--as far as expanding anymore after most of their NYC agreement has been met. After that if you don't have it now- there will be a good 98% chance you'll never see it and will be sold off. I believe there's something called "the future." You've also been repeating that "sold off" phrase a lot around the news areas; you do realize it's only the rural Verizon territories that were sold off, with the exception of some <1% of non-profitable FiOS areas in Oregon and Washington? Take Los Angeles, for example. It may be out west, but it's a huge market for FiOS, which is why they chose to keep it. | |
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| said by hottboiinnc:not that big of a number. Considering i've seen MSOs sign up customers faster than that when they expand- WOW signed up 700 in 3 days when they moved to my city. How much competition did WQW have at the time? And did they have the installation process that FIOS does? | |
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 ropeguruPremium join:2001-01-25 Mechanicsville, VA | Duh... That says it all... | |
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| "Frontier's only saving grace is they face low-quality competition in many markets" from Karl's commentary above.
Frontier's biggest cable competitors in Central Illinois are Comcast and Mediacom. Per consumer surveys by JD Power and Consumer Reports, Karl has it about right on these 2 Frontier cable competitors. | |
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(25%*226,000)/165,000 = 34.2%
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2 edits | Re: CenturyLink DSL And I want to move to Des Moines, IA if I get a job at Drake University. Nice college town and some parts of neighborhood are served with fiber to the home (or fast VDSL) Qwest 40/5. But since they got bought by CenturyLink I wonder if their service won't go downhill.
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I said bye to DSL 2 years ago.. and what do ya know, they start installing VRads all over town all of the sudden. I'm not falling for it; I'm too busy enjoying my 10/1 cable connection. 
Besides, I've already checked several addresses for DSL direct speeds; all I can still ever find is 1.5 mbit and 3 mbit, which is useless and unstable due to high line attenuation. -- ISP: CableOne 10 mbit/1 mbit | |
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Had DSL, but in Northern VA service from Verizon is a disaster. Within a neighborhood that was built in the 1920s, the infrastructure is not the best and phone lines are noisy. Call up Verizon and they give you the day they're gunna show. No two or four hour window, just the day (stopping at 5PM). Mon through Fri only. So you get to take the day off work.
Which I did, and it ended with a no show. Service cancelled.
Comcast here is FAR from perfect, but at least you can schedule on a weekend and you're given a two hour window. It's like Verizon wants to drive people off. | |
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| Re: Why I dumped DSL... said by bosKarl :
No FIOS here (1 mile from the Pentagon as the crow flies). It is either Comcast or Verizon DSL.
Had DSL, but in Northern VA service from Verizon is a disaster. Within a neighborhood that was built in the 1920s, the infrastructure is not the best and phone lines are noisy. Call up Verizon and they give you the day they're gunna show. No two or four hour window, just the day (stopping at 5PM). Mon through Fri only. So you get to take the day off work.
Which I did, and it ended with a no show. Service cancelled.
Comcast here is FAR from perfect, but at least you can schedule on a weekend and you're given a two hour window. It's like Verizon wants to drive people off. Verizon here in wodbridge schedules weekend appointments | |
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So I live 3 miles outside of my town and I'm part of the 3%????????????????????? | |
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 WHT join:2010-03-26 Rosston, TX kudos:5 | Footprints are not footprints quote: Verizon says FiOS now reaches 60% of their footprint
You can look at a map and tell that's obviously not geographical footprints. What they mean is customer base, or it could be even any other numeric value that impresses investors. Like when AT&T used minutes of cell phone use as a metric for market penetration. | |
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In semi-rural areas just past the burbs some form of wireless is the best bet. Until you get FTTH the distance or density between houses is just too far for copper based systems to offer any speed above 3 maybe 6 meg. | |
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