  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Besides, how much % of the UN's money comes from America? Shouldn't we own more of the place? | |
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kudos:1 | I bet that building they've got over there on the east side would make some nice condos.
Close to the tunnel, great view of the river.....
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| said by Austinloop:I, personally, have no problem with the U.S. withdrawing from the U.N. and giving the U.N. a reasonable amount of time to leave this country, say 6 months.
The US uses the UN to justify what ever we want to justify so it won't be moving anywhere. | |
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| zed260Premium
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| said by pnh102:The UN is NOT a government. Period. What power does it have to impose any tax on any person?
the un is for the most part and has been since world war 2 acting as a goverment
in effect if the un security consul agrees to something all member states must follow or break internetal law and be subject to sanctions and or use of force in effect that makes them the law if they all agree to it (when a nation joined the un the treaty they signed agreed them to abide by the un secuirty council resolutions when they joined so they have no rights to decline to pay a tax if the council ruled to pass one effectivly giving the un unlimited power to levy taxes or anything they see fit)
definition of government
The governing body of a nation, state, or community.
The system by which a nation, state, or community is governed.
it sounds like the un has enough power to fall under the definition of a government just in that one body the security council not taking into account the other parts of its structure | |
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| | Double dipping? Since I already pay for Internet to my ISP, why should I have to pay again for transport? The system works fine as is, and it seems to me that plenty of money is already being made by these turds. | |
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|  Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium
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| Re: Double dipping? said by qworster:Since I already pay for Internet to my ISP, why should I have to pay again for transport? Don't forget that you also pay taxes that fund a big chunk of that infrastructure - as do people in every country. | |
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| | If anything, they have it backwards. The content providers are getting requests for data from the ISPs (or customers of the ISPs). So, the ISPs should be paying for the content.
However, I agree with others. No tax is needed. | |
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| Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium
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| Re: If anything, they have it backwards. said by AstroBoy: the ISPs should be paying for the content. 100% of which is passed on to their customers - along with every other expense, fee and tax.
I'm not sure there is a way to 'stick it' to business.
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| | | | Re: If anything, they have it backwards. The only way I know of is to support a different business. Hard to do though if there is a monopoly. | |
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| | Google lobbying Why hasn't Google started buying up politicians left and right like all other big companies?
Oh, right, "Do no evil."
Except Google is a lot less "no evil" than it once was, so what's a little more? | |
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| | | Re: Google lobbying said by praetoralpha:Why hasn't Google started buying up politicians left and right like all other big companies?
Oh, right, "Do no evil."
Except Google is a lot less "no evil" than it once was, so what's a little more?
You complain that Google is more evil than at the time of the motto's genesis, and yet you seem to be complaining (even if facetiously) that they are not evil enough so as to bribe people.
This is a shining example of why such a tax should not be put forth. There's never a shortage of surprising comments. | |
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| | Supposed UN Content Tax Dear Karl,
Pls put away your nightmares. The ITU is not set to accept a 'tax' on internet content cos (FB, Google, Apple, etc.) to fund 'legacy telcos'. This stuff is being trumped up by a bunch of right wing technolib types, and there lure was swallowed by Cnet writers.
The particular proposal from ENTO you refer to is bad enough in its own right without labelling it as a tax. In fact, it is simply the AT&T, Comcast, Telefonica, etc. etc. dubious arguments that content cos want to ride on their pipes for free and the telcos ain't gonna let 'em, as ATT's CEO Whittaker waxed in 2005 and his predecessors at the pre-SBC/ATT said in 2001 before they blew up the company.
You might want to have a look at what I've written here »wp.me/pYiHj-EE and Milton Mueller's views here: »www.internetgovernance.org/2012/···ging-me/
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1 edit | said by Mediamorphis :Dear Karl,
Pls put away your nightmares. The ITU is not set to accept a 'tax' on internet content cos (FB, Google, Apple, etc.) to fund 'legacy telcos'. This stuff is being trumped up by a bunch of right wing technolib types, and there lure was swallowed by Cnet writers.
No what the ITU is doing is planning a rate structure that would stick it to telcos and not content companies. And more specifically telcos that send a lot more traffic than they receive between countries. IOW, US telcos would see a vast increase in fees, since US telcos do the majority of sending due to most of the big content providers are in the US.
So what we have is a proposal to stick it to the US once again.
»www.nytimes.com/2012/06/11/techn···nted=all
Thus the real conflict is not over governance of the Internet, some analysts say, but over the division of the spoils, with international telecommunications operators trying to use the I.T.U. to extract revenue from American Internet companies.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Content owners already do pay Do these telcos seem to forget that Google, Netflix, Amazon, Apple, etc all have to pay their own bandwidth providers? They act like media providers are getting a free ride. The Telcos and ISPs seem to forget that its the content is why people buy higher speeds and go over their caps causing overages.
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| tax- i wait wait wait ... I have an idea ... sure ... let's tax the content providers for build out of the infrastructure ... and then ... lets tax the bandwidth provider for the cost of thinking up the content ... and then ...  | |
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Lodi, NJ | Soak them all Is the mantra coming from the world telcos. We have this and you will pay us even though we requested it from you. Gotta love the twisted logic there. Best response if this goes through is have Google and other content providers send a standard page to any and all requests from the ajoined parties. "We are sorry but due to your Providers unreasonable demands. We are forced to deny all requests made to your system. Please contact your provider for a resolution." Do that for a day or two worldwide and I bet you hear these guys cry uncle. Of course that won't work in places like Syria (or and other jack booted dictator). It will cause the bigger players to get stop this idiocy. | |
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| End users already pay for content delivery As others have mentioned, end users already pay for content delivery. This is just double dipping. There is no content being sent to Telefonica that wasn't requested by users there.
And Telefonica should get a taste of ESPN3 from Google and Facebook. This pay system can work both ways and they should tread lightly. Telefonica needs content producers far more than content producers need Telefonica. | |
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|  TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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| Has little to do with the Internet As I said above this has very little to do with the internet. For decades the UN as tried to find away of taxing the 1st world countries so they can have a independent source of income that gets around donations from member nations, mostly the United States. As it is now the US can and has put a hold on these moneys in order to make a stab at controlling the corruption that is the UN. Having such a tax, any such tax, would be a dream come true for the 3rd world thug's and crooks that run the joint now.
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kudos:2 | Re: Has little to do with the Internet Of course but that could be said about ANY tax...it's all a money grab and rarely if ever goes to "combatting" whatever evil they claim they're stealing the money for. | |
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| Re: Has little to do with the Internet said by skeechan:Of course but that could be said about ANY tax...it's all a money grab and rarely if ever goes to "combatting" whatever evil they claim they're stealing the money for.
This is exactly what I said. They want to extract money in the form of a transfer tax, from the evil 1st world. They almost had it with the human caused global warming hoax, That fell through. 3rd world leaders who had their hands out for the moola bitched all of the way home.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Has little to do with the Internet I actually wonder, Unless the UN forced Google off the web do they even have any authority to levy taxes or fees. Unless they stated they would somehow shut off the links to a content provider a company like Google could tell the UN to go fsck itself unless the fees where also backed by laws in countries they operate in.
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El Paso, TX | Amusing... I've said this before, and i'll say it again, we need an ultracheap/realiable way of "last mile" connectivity that telcos have NOTHING to do with. Not much more expensive than buying a wifi router and that works on unlicensed spectrum.
Telcos and "big content" providers are doing one thing obvious: We need to go back to the 90's ISP's. Of course the only thing preventing this from happening is the dreaded last mile.
Our internet prices would drop significantly. And maybe we can finally get the internet to evolve on par with everything else technology wise. It's unbelievable that there's people stuck at 1-3 mbps (DSL users) in the year 2012. | |
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These companies want money from someone else to pay for their infrastructure so they can have more for profits. Let the market decide and if the telcos are losing so much money then let them fold and be bought up by the content producers who will still need to deliver bits to people.
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Torrance, CA | hmm............. All I can say is FTUN.............................................../
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So please tell the UN: if it ain't broke, don't fix it! | |
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