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| I hate corperations that lobby It's not who has the best solution, who has the answer, or who is right, it is who has the largest megaphone to reach our legislators.
Money should not run politics, nor should corporations... it should be the average American individual who is able to run for government and win without needing XYZ amount of dollars to even attempt to win a seat in government.
Just my .02 cents.
And down with all lobbying! If they want something done so badly the perhaps they should stop throwing money at the situation and actually run for office (but again with no money backing their seat) | |
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 | | | Re: I hate corperations that lobby said by SSX4life:It's not who has the best solution, who has the answer, or who is right, it is who has the largest megaphone to reach our legislators. Money should not run politics, nor should corporations... it should be the average American individual who is able to run for government and win without needing XYZ amount of dollars to even attempt to win a seat in government. Just my .02 cents. And down with all lobbying! If they want something done so badly the perhaps they should stop throwing money at the situation and actually run for office (but again with no money backing their seat) I agree. Lobbying should be a eliminated.
"Lobbying is the feces of a government without a course; moving according to the wind and not unto principles." -Ben Franklin should have said that. | |
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| | | You can win a seat in the gov't. Local Government or even State Government. It's only the large seats in DC that need the $$$$$$. | |
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| Re: I hate corperations that lobby said by hottboiinnc:You can win a seat in the gov't. Local Government or even State Government. It's only the large seats in DC that need the $$$$$$. Still doesn't make it right, fair, or even within the scope of the founding fathers ideals.
Yes I understand that the U.S. govt. gives a candidate $$$ if they choose to run for office, but we both know that the amount from special interest groups FAR out weighs that.... and even with new laws on the books about donations you know that this doesn't even do much to combat special interest groups donating money.
My point still stands that lobbying for a buisness is different than lobbying for user. The user does not stand to profit from new laws on the books that they pushed for, the buisness is in the market of making money and is specifically designed to do just that.
Look at the case of Judges that take campaign contributions -»www.npr.org/templates/story/stor···01368723 . The law is blind, but this is causing problems as well!  | |
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| Lobbying should be illegal Lobbying should be illegal! I don't understand how a direct "bribe" is illegal but lobbying is?? WTF?? | |
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4 edits | Llobbying is so bad Lobbying is just bad. It is NOT part of our great democratic system. Heck, I'd even wager it's bad for our economy. | |
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|  Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | Re: Is lobbying so bad? said by 45071419:Is lobbying so bad? It is part of our great democratic system. Heck, I'd even wager it's good for simulating our economy. Tk, seriously? A corporation spending billions of dollars a year in nefarious ways and hiding it so it can't be tied back to the benefiting corporation, creating and funding astroturf organizations to outright lie to our government for the benefit of corporations.
Yes, in its current incarnation it is awful.
We need lobby reform, now. All one has to do is look at the control corporations have gained while allowing us to fall behind the rest of the world in every measurable statistic ... except consumer debt, to see it doesn't work. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Is lobbying so bad? said by Matt3:Tk, seriously? sorry to burst your bubble, matt, but this isn't the real tk that we have all come to know and despise. it seems that when the former tk changed his name to Linklist , this troll swooped in and stole his name, seemingly to do just as he has done here.
it seems as though we have replaced someone with shillish beliefs and replaced him with someone who shills for shillings sake.
as much as i cringed when reading some of Linklist 's responses, i always appreciated the fact that he had *much* more couth and was often, a little more subtle about his shillish ways. this poser is just way too on the nose. kinda depresses me actually.
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kudos:12 | Re: Is lobbying so bad? said by tubbynet:said by Matt3:Tk, seriously? sorry to burst your bubble, matt, but this isn't the real tk that we have all come to know and despise. it seems that when the former tk changed his name to Linklist , this troll swooped in and stole his name, seemingly to do just as he has done here. it seems as though we have replaced someone with shillish beliefs and replaced him with someone who shills for shillings sake. as much as i cringed when reading some of Linklist 's responses, i always appreciated the fact that he had *much* more couth and was often, a little more subtle about his shillish ways. this poser is just way too on the nose. kinda depresses me actually. q. Color me guilty. I thought the post was a bit brief and lacking a certain slant to the right that usually accompanies Tk's posts.  | |
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| | | As Ben Scott said in the story "If Comcast decided to get in front of the 435 members of the House, they could do that in a week. I don't think I could do it in a year."
When lobbying is no longer democratic and is based purely on corruption and greed, used by big corporations as a way to squash both consumers and the little start-ups. So yes lobbying in how it is used is bad.
If anything lobbying is De-stimulus as it takes away from innovation and competition. Most of what these big Telecoms lobby is for protection from new laws that benefit consumer rights, new regulations that would effect their bottom line negatively, and protection form competition such as local city network projects. | |
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kudos:12 |  Re: Is lobbying so bad?
said by Ryokucha:As Ben Scott said in the story "If Comcast decided to get in front of the 435 members of the House, they could do that in a week. I don't think I could do it in a year." Very, very, good point. | |
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2 edits | Yes it's bad. It's bribery and precludes legislators from representing their individual constituents.
The only people who should be permitted to contribute to campaigns are individual registered voters who are legal residents of the districts those politicians represent. Bribes Contributions from corporations, consumer groups, unions, those living in other areas all should be banned. Their membership are free donate as individuals, but these lobby groups who don't vote should have no influence over our political process. California is a prime example of how these groups, particularly the public employee unions, have taken over government. Yesterday's special election is the only time I can remember them being defeated at the polls and it only happened after the state has been destroyed by their greed. Usually the propositions these groups get on the ballot and spend tens of millions to advertise on TV (usually with lies and distortion) pass with flying colors much to their financial benefit. And these measures are one of the reasons we are over $20B in the hole despite record treasury revenues.
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San Francisco, CA | If you can vote, you should be able to lobby. Corpoations cannot vote. | |
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| | | so explain how giving millions to a select few people (trying not to call politicians for what they are) is good for the economy? | |
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kudos:5 | Original post said by TK Junk Mail :
Is lobbying so bad? It is part of our great democratic system. Heck, I'd even wager it's good for simulating our economy.
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said by 45071419:Lobbying just bad. It is NOT part of our great democratic system. Heck, I'd even wager it's bad for our economy. a 180 degree switcheroo. Why the change? | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Is lobbying so bad? said by Linklist:a 180 degree switcheroo. Why the change? trolling, comes to mind.
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kudos:5 | Re: Is lobbying so bad? said by Bit00:Make that a 360 LOL. He can't make up his mind. | |
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| | | Lobbying has been going on for ages and ages. It's about getting your grievance or position heard. I hate the current state of lobbying as it's exercised in our legislatures nationwide, but it isn't illegal nor should it be. The rules on lobbying should change, but as long as money equals free speech, then forget it. | |
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| Lobbying to what end? Why is it that these two companies are spending big bucks when they are in the process of screwing the consumer in it's broadband services and lock out competitors?
An end to this capping crap must end. You must compete--REALLY COMPETE or risk your duopoly markets to be split wide open! | |
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| | Just imagine... Just imagine what 10 to 15 Million could do for upgrading the core network versus lobbying?
Just sayin'... | |
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Canonsburg, PA | Re: Just imagine... What a waste, all the money that has been spent on lobbying could have been used to either improve services or paid out as dividends to shareholders. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Just imagine... said by Sammer:What a waste, all the money that has been spent on lobbying could have been used to either improve services or paid out as dividends to shareholders. No, you see, they don't have enough money to improve services and upgrade their networks.
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| | | i also hate the whole lobbying (and corporate 'donations') thing. i'm amazed that many people/companies moan and complain about taxes, but don't care they send truck loads of money to a select few indiviuals.
i think it would be awesome if that money was put some good use like: R&D, health care, fiber deployment, infrastructure upgrades/upkeep, and many other. | |
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1 edit | Re: Just imagine... There's an idea, a 100% tax on corporate lobbying expenses. If they're so willing to send the money towards DC and our state capitals at least we should assure that half the money ends up in the treasury. Just to be fair a 100% tax should also be put on similar expenses by unions. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Just imagine... Capita/ol idea! | |
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| | sad Maybee if they spent all that money on infrastructure upgrades, then they wouldn't need lobbyists to fend off competition | |
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| SSX4lifeHello WorldPremium
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| Re: sad said by tcuserz1 :
Maybee if they spent all that money on infrastructure upgrades, then they wouldn't need lobbyists to fend off competition
Such a concept I know!  Kinda like GM lobbying for 30 years NOT to upgrade their cars MPG and sell big, heavy, and cumbersome cars only to go bankrupt and have us bail them out due to their stupidity when it comes to lack of innovation and overproduction of brands that don't sell (not to mention outdated business practices) ....
I totally agree with you on that one. | |
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