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Telus Reverses 'Bell Should Pay' Position
A mystery for the ages?
by Karl Bode Tuesday 23-Sep-2008 tags: competition · business · telco · world · Bell Sympatico · TekSavvy DSL
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Just the other day, Canadian ISP Telus told Canadian regulators that they believed Bell Canada should have to pay, in full, the investigative costs surrounding Bell's fight with independent ISPs over their controversial throttling practices. But now, Telus is suddenly retracting their position, saying both Bell and indie ISPs should have to pay. CAIP speculates on what caused the completely un-mysterious reversal:

Tom Copeland, president of CAIP, said Telus likely reversed its position after having a conversation with Bell. "I imagine that a Bell VP was on the phone to a Telus VP 30 seconds after they received the letter of the 16th," he said. A spokesman for Telus did not immediately return a request for comment.

Last March Bell started throttling traffic before it reaches wholesale partner networks, preventing any competitor from offering a superior, un-throttled alternative to Bell's own DSL service. Both sides are awaiting a response from Canadian regulators, whom indie ISPs hope force Bell to stop throttling.

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ShadPTR

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Markham, ON

Bell VP says to Telus VP..

Give me your lunch money or I'm gonna punch you in the eye!
zod5000

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Victoria, BC

Hopefully telus doesn't start throttling

Last of the big 4 not too. I was surprised they'd be so against it. I hope they maintain their practice of no throttling.

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Maybe Telus realized they could be a target & forced to pay

Maybe Telus woke up and and realized(or it was pointed out to them by Bell) that they could be the target of a future request by CAIP to be investigated by the CRTC. And that a precedent could be established where the investigated party would be forced to pay all the costs.
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W16

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Re: Maybe Telus realized they could be a target & forced to pay

This coming from a guy with a McCain / Palin avatar....I kid! I kid!

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No, I think they just want to avoid a PR disaster if they ever decide to do throttling. By staying neutral, they won't piss off customers or wholesale clients if they decide to do anything like throttling in the future.

Sempronius

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said by Romney2012:

Maybe Telus woke up and and realized(or it was pointed out to them by Bell) that they could be the target of a future request by CAIP to be investigated by the CRTC. And that a precedent could be established where the investigated party would be forced to pay all the costs.
You hit the nail right on the head. This is why Telus is playing these contradictions games; making statements and in the same breathe reversing the statement to save face so as not to face the possible wrath of the CRTC and to be accused of the very crime Bell Canada has been caught red-handed in doing; throttling.

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Ferrous Phallus

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Same fight?

Is this the same fight the bells fought and won in the US? And thus were able to kill any real DSL vs. DSL competition!?
EPS

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Hingham, MA

Re: Same fight?

Someone correct me if I'm totally wrong, but I don't think the situation in Canada ever existed in the United States- in Canada ISPs can lease connections over Bell's ATM network. So an ISP could have a gateway with Bell in say, Toronto, but could lease a line for a customer in say, Quebec, and the ISP would handle connections between Quebec and the Toronto gateway, which where the ISP would take over and connect the customer to the internet. In America, the ISP would have to locate equipment in each Central Office in the area they wanted to service, and only rent the local loop between the CO and the customer.

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Wrong...

George Cope (Bell Pres) was Telus' Clearnet owner before Darren Entwistle bought it in 2001. Cope stayed as president of Telus Mobility until he left for Bell in 2006(?).

Cope just called in favours from the Weasel (Entwistle). Same pecking order as the incoming text charges.
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