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1 edit | Irresistible baiting attempt Apple users don't worry about agreements.
They just naturally assume that since its from Apple there won't be any problems.
Hmmmm.... They need a smiley here for Evil Wicked Grin. | |
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| | | Re: obvious question, but... At $.005 per KB he spent $3000. Doesn't seem like "sporadic AT&T EDGE network usage" of an iPhone to me. | |
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1 edit | Re: obvious question, but... 585MB of usage over 2 weeks.
Edit: That assumes the bill was entirely for data. There's probably quite a few phone calls mixed in there as well. | |
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Louisiana | Re: obvious question, but... said by Necronomikro:585MB of usage over 2 weeks. Edit: That assumes the bill was entirely for data. There's probably quite a few phone calls mixed in there as well. The question is... how can you use that much data on EDGE? LOL. Or as most of the folks around here call it sluDGE.
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1 edit | said by ryeny3:At $.005 per KB he spent $3000. Doesn't seem like "sporadic AT&T EDGE network usage" of an iPhone to me. Was he quoted $.005/KB or ¢.005/KB?
Is that KB (Kilobyte) or Kb (Kilobit)? | |
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|  TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
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NYC Metro | said by dmolavi:didn't he read the agreement and see that there wasn't such a plan in place for him? Yeah, really...
Idiots complain when they get raped for their abnormal usage that they clearly agreed too when they signed the contract.
All the iPhone hype and this idiot probably didn't read the contract!
Sure, the company is wrong to charge so much, but this guy doesn't have a leg to stand on IMHO.
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4 edits | Huh? $3,000 data bill is insane, especially when AT&T made it impossible to check usage but I don't believe this story for a simple reason.
How does a self-admitted "web developer" not know how large a kilobyte is or how large an average web page is.
He knew it was a pay per use plan (not an unlimited plan) and knew the per KB rate.
At .005/KB and 3,000, that's about 600MB. 600 megabytes isn't incidental browsing. At 30-100KB per page, that's 6,000-18,000 page views. That's a LOT of browsing.
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1 edit | Do the time... pay the crime! said by ColorBASIC:How does a self-admitted "web developer" not know how large a kilobyte is or how large an average web page is But he knows 20MB ain't jack 
The problem here is advertising rates that are $.005 per anything. Americans can't handle the math, we don't think do small. If it had been marketed as $5 per Meg chances are he would have had a firmer grasp on the true cost. Still, he did the time, pay the crime.
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1 edit | Re: Do the time... pay the crime! There has to be other surcharges in there somewhere. There is no way that guy goes through 600MB while knowing it's a pay per use plan.
Too bad he didn't give them a copy of the bill to post (at least I didn't see one).
'Cause it he did go through hundreds of MBs of data, I have zero sympathy. If it's $1,500 in bullcrap surcharges, eh, maybe.
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said by ColorBASIC:There is no way that guy goes through 600MB while knowing it's a pay per use plan. LOL only a *CD* worth of data? | |
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| said by ColorBASIC:'Cause it he did go through hundreds of MBs of data, I have zero sympathy. If it's $1,500 in bullcrap surcharges, eh, maybe. »www.newnetworks.com/AppleIphoneatt.htm
"International messages are charged additional fees as are files over 300Kbps. "
Bet he did not read the fine print...
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Springfield, IL | Re: Huh? Impossible to check useage? The handsets have a resetable timer on them for Data. As for the amount of data, the other Person obviously does not know how data works, and must of been going back and forth to the page, or watching videos & streaming music. I have a bulk plan, and only once went over the limit on it, with my handset. | |
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4 edits | Re: Huh? Actually I don't think iPhones have data counters. All domestic iPhone plans are unlimited. At least I don't see one in my iPhone SW.
EDIT - NEVERMIND...
Under Settings - Usage is EDGE Network Data usage both incoming and outgoing.
Then it's just a question of whether or not all data going in an out is counted there. | |
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| Yeah, for some stupid reason whenever you make a billing change you can no longer track your usage until the next billing cycle. For that reason alone AT&T should offer this guy some credit. quote:
At .005/KB and 3,000, that's about 600MB. 600 megabytes isn't incidental browsing. At 30-100KB per page, that's 6,000-18,000 page views. That's a LOT of browsing.
True, but the iPhone can't easily tether. Perhaps he was using a lot of Google Maps (quite a possibility if travelling) and didn't realize the significant amount of data usage he was pulling. I agree though, 600MB of data is pretty impressive usage on a cell device, especially over EDGE.
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Corona, CA | Re: Huh? If he was using EDGE data, the phone itself has a great EDGE Network data counter built in. AND it has a calculator. Knowing the price and these 2 tools he could have EASILY figured he was going to get a very fat bill. | |
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Otherwise you are charged .0195/kb, which is the rate he was charged at so he probably used about 1/4 of that 600 MB.
What I don't get it why he didn't use Wifi.
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Warwick, RI
kudos:5 | said by ColorBASIC:...How does a self-admitted "web developer" not know how large a kilobyte is or how large an average web page is. Quote from BoingBoing article:
"I'm a web developer as part of my career and I couldn't even tell you how many KB the average web page is." [emphasis added]
Looking at his website »www.3rdeyedesign.com it is clear he's an illustrator from before computers who took well to a wacom tablet. Fast forward to today and he's a web developer? Trust me, he dabbles in it, and expanded his resume a bit.
He still hasn't figured it out: Blackberry email-only is not a high rate data stream.
Granted, he had no way to check his usage.
He should take the $400 settlement now, and commit to the $300 a year plan with data limit. Otherwise, suck it up for $3000 and call it done. | |
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Jackson Heights, NY | Re: Huh? said by birdfeedr:said by ColorBASIC:...How does a self-admitted "web developer" not know how large a kilobyte is or how large an average web page is. Quote from BoingBoing article: "I'm a web developer as part of my career and I couldn't even tell you how many KB the average web page is." [emphasis added] Looking at his website » www.3rdeyedesign.com it is clear he's an illustrator from before computers who took well to a wacom tablet. Fast forward to today and he's a web developer? Trust me, he dabbles in it, and expanded his resume a bit. He still hasn't figured it out: Blackberry email-only is not a high rate data stream. Granted, he had no way to check his usage. He should take the $400 settlement now, and commit to the $300 a year plan with data limit. Otherwise, suck it up for $3000 and call it done. Actually its a $400 discount... they want $2600 from him.
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He should take the $400 settlement now, and commit to the $300 a year plan with data limit. Otherwise, suck it up for $3000 and call it done.
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Banks, OR | said by ColorBASIC:How does a self-admitted "web developer" not know how large a kilobyte is or how large an average web page is. High-level web development tools. Even clueless types like liberal arts majors can now do web pages.  | |
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join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ | said by ColorBASIC:$3,000 data bill is insane, especially when AT&T made it impossible to check usage but I don't believe this story for a simple reason. That is ridiculous. When I am at my house, and call my friend in Israel using my cell phone, it takes upwards of a week to even show up on-line. I was down in South Carolina and used some mobile internet on my blackberry with the Slingplayer Mobile software, and it's been 3 weeks since I got back, and the data usage is just now starting to show up on my account... so if it takes a week for an international phone call to show up on-line, and nearly a month for data usage outside of my home state to show up... what in the world makes you think the on-line account access is going to be accurate for a couple weeks when roaming overseas? That's patently up surd. It takes at least 6-8 hours for calls to post, could take over a month in some circumstances depending on the network you are roaming on... | |
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kudos:1 | Ha. $3000 worth of youtube and email? I hope that it was worth it. | |
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: Ha. I want an immediate $2900 credit against my current balance, a commitment to never charge me the list price again, and, an apology for accepting such an ignorant customer. | |
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| Re: Ha. said by cbrain:I want an immediate $2900 credit against my current balance, a commitment to never charge me the list price again, and, an apology for accepting such an ignorant customer. That was classic.
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kudos:2 | Re: Still Cool? said by herb77:But the iPhone is still cool right? No | |
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1 edit | Grass is always greener.... iPhone buyers got special treatment when they bought their phones, and now they want what others have? Wah...
Sorry, but I have ZERO sympathy for this guy.
"Doing some research, I learned this morning that AT&T offers unlimited international data usage at $70 per month to its Blackberry customers.
Here's my bottom line: I want this same usage plan to be made available to iPhone customers and to be applied retroactively to my account."
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Springfield, IL | Whoops So, either someone's company will not foot the bill, or someone's mommy & daddy gave them the ultimatum. Guess the other person should of paid attention to the TOS.
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| maybe the conversation sounded like this: One side of the phone conversation between iPhone owner and the AT&T rep:
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"Hello.
I bought an iPhone last month. I have a question about my bill.
Yah, um, its three thousand bucks.
Yes, I know I'm a dumbass for spending $600 on a cell phone.
Yes, I know that I'm a virgin.
Well, can you do something about this charge anyway?
Okay, yes, I'm a fool. I get it, yes.
Now, about the bill?
So you're saying that Steve Jobs approved the bill so I have to pay it?
But I didn't...
Wait, you say Steve also rubbed each and every iPhone against his crotch before they boxed them up?
Oh, that's just foul man. I had that in the bathroom!"
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| | Consumer Responsibility So the ATT rep disclosed the charges, he accepted the charges, didn't ask any additional questions (like what is a KB?), and then used the service. . . .
Hmmm. . .
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| Re: Consumer Responsibility said by SKYWARP:So the ATT rep disclosed the charges, he accepted the charges, didn't ask any additional questions (like what is a KB?), and then used the service. . . . Hmmm. . . Pay your bill and shut the -F- up. But see, that is way too logical. Some people have WAY too much sense of entitlement.
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Richardson, TX | Re: Consumer Responsibility Yup - people's sense of entitlement to not be held accountable for their own stupidity.
He should be forced to pay every cent. He signed the contract and didn't read the fine print. Hmmmm... whose fault was it again? Maybe that'll help him teach his kids the lesson when they get old enough to understand the concept.
Then again, I'm sure there will be a lawyer somewhere willing to help him sue. And it'll be right up there with the DC Pants and the iPhone Battery insanity.
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join:2001-03-29
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| iPh0wn3d? How could he even use that much data? I mean seriously, the transfer rate on the iPhone is slow. He didn't tether it. Unless he visited Europe with his eyes glued to his phone...and missed taking in the sights while there, how did he rack up that much usage? That's roughly 600MB of data transferred!
I stream music to my PPC6700 ALL WORK DAY at 128kbps. That's only a bit over 460MB of data tranferred, but I'm not interacting with my phone the whole time. For him to use that much data, he'd have to be holding the phone, looking at it, and manipulating it. Did he really have that much time to surf the web, download email with huge attachments, and send email of photos taken with a phone in a two week span to rack up that much usage?
....or, does checking voicemail on the iPhone come into play here?
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kudos:1 | Pay the Death Star or the empire will shoot your iPhone OK, first of all, this dunce should have read the freakin' contract before doing this. Agreements are agreements, and contracts are contracts. They're just as binding on the carrier as they are on the customer.
But, this is why I just frigging HATE AT&T..WAIT, STOP THE PRESSES
I just read the guy's letter. What a douche. You don't know how many KB a web page in, but you're a web developer? Shit, I don't even work in the computer business, and I know how many KB on average a web site can soak up, depending on what's on it.
I think this guy's watched too much skateboarding dog.
Fried his brain..
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| TechieZeroTools Are Using MePremium
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Gibsonton, FL | Re: Pay the Death Star or the empire will shoot your iPhone "I find your lack of payment...disturbing..." (force-choke) | |
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kudos:4 | You're stupid, but you blame it on them? I liked this line.
"The rep quoted me $.005 per KB but did not disclose what that would translate to in layman's language (i.e., X amount per e-mail, X amount per web page, etc.)."
Followed by: "I'm a web developer"
But he doesn't know how large a webpage, SMS, or email message is? Are you kidding? This guy is obviously not going to find much work from anyone reading the article.
Later he says he did check usage online, and the data wasn't available. Well.. duh. I don't know if I can truly fault the guy for this, but with pretty much any US provider, any international charges won't show up until processed by the local carrier, which, in my experience, takes at least a day, if not a week.
Then of course he goes on whining about discriminating against iPhone users internationally, and about how you can't unlock the phone, blah blah blah.
Basically, he bought a fancy 'toy', and wants business rules to apply. The BB has to be the top business phone out there, and of course AT&T is going to be competitive with the rates.
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kudos:4 | Typical Apple Fanboy First Microsoft/PC users are discriminating against Apple, now AT&T/Blackberry are discriminating against Apple/iphone.
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kudos:1 | Re: Typical Apple Fanboy A DREAM DEFERRED IS A DREAM DENIED!!!!! 
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1 edit | Re: Typical Apple Fanboy buawahahah!
Looks like all you kids that thought ya'll knew what you were talking about were wrong. lol.
The man was refunded his money... So its not entirely wrong to assume business' such as ATT are scheming, devious sons of @$@#^$#, or am I wrong about that, only to later be proved correct through a update?
hehe.
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| Re: Typical Apple Fanboy said by FiL:buawahahah! Looks like all you kids that thought ya'll knew what you were talking about were wrong. lol. The man was refunded his money... So its not entirely wrong to assume business' such as ATT are scheming, devious sons of @$@#^$#, or am I wrong about that, only to later be proved correct through a update? hehe. ps, I think ya'll own em an apology! hahaahha It's called trying to avoid bad press.
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: Typical Apple Fanboy then this guy isn't a case study in why idiots don't read agreements, is it? Least thats what everyones dissection of the topic was about! | |
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