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The Broadband Price War That Isn't
by Karl Bode Thursday 14-Jul-2005 tags: prices · competition
Comcast speed increases have caused the newswires to rattle with talk of a "broadband price war" despite the fact some Comcast customers are now actually paying more. This Associated Press headline proudly proclaims "Competition slashing costs of broadband" - But is it?.

Last week tech journalist Dana Blackenhorn
railed against FCC chief Kevin Martin for his self-congratulatory Wall Street Journal editorial (reg. required) on the fine state of the industry.
"The fact, Mr. Martin, is that I am paying $110/month for 1+ Mbps downloads -- that's $50 for DSL and $60 for the phone line. The alternative from cable is equally pricey -- $70/month for the cable and $40/month for the cable modem service."
While he puffs up the numbers for melodrama's sake (or he's the worst comparison shopper alive), his point still hits its mark: that a lumbering duopoly using elaborate pricing schemes are being dressed up as vibrant competition.

Thanks largely to bundling, the broadband industry has become a consumer market where you need a lawyer and scientific calculator to determine if you're actually getting a good deal. Most of these articles on "price wars" simply aren't doing the math or reading the fine print.

The SBC $14.95 DSL deal prompted talk of a price-war with cable. Few mentioned that price didn't include the cost of a mandatory phone line (and associated fees). Fewer still mentioned it was a 12 month, new-customer only on-line promotion. Even SBC investors, concerned they were giving away the store, had to be soothed by SBC chief Ed Whitacre that this was PR aimed at dial-up laggards.

At least the bells have been lowering prices over the past several years. Looking for cable price-cuts in this "price war" outside of promotional deals? There aren't any.

In fact, take a good look at the actual detail surrounding the recent Comcast speed increases. If you don't subscribe to Comcast cable service, you'll pay $57.95 for 4Mbps downstream service. The new 8Mbps tier for those who say - have satellite TV - will cost you $77.95. Comcast actually raised prices for the same speeds in some instances.

In fact, you can expect even higher cable prices once the FCC begins a rewrite of the 1996 Telecom act, and starts forcing the cable industry to contribute evenly to the Universal Service Fund. Price War?

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Time
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Well.....

I'd rather pay more money for a faster connection, but that's just me...

NJBelfry

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Hmmmm

Price war....hmmm it seems simple when you add the cost of the regular phone service into the equation that DSL cost the same as cable. I support users and I would rather have a cable modem on the other end of the phone than a DSL connection. Cable is quick efficient and cost effective for the remote work force.

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Re: Hmmmm

Quick and efficient is dependent upon more than just the speed.

You have to allow for latency, routing, and backbone load. If you think 8mb vs. 3mb is the only arguement, then you are a fool.
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mikestorm

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said by NJBelfry:

Price war....hmmm it seems simple when you add the cost of the regular phone service into the equation that DSL cost the same as cable. I support users and I would rather have a cable modem on the other end of the phone than a DSL connection. Cable is quick efficient and cost effective for the remote work force.
I disagree.

If you want to add in the cost of regular phone service on the DSL side you should add in the cost of cable on the cable side; remember Comcast has different pricing for non cable customers...OR at least compare the DSL pricing to non customer internet pricing ($57.95). Either way you slice it: ($30 DSL vs. $43 Cable for ISP pricing only or $43 vs. $58 to factor in phone and noncustomer pricing) Verizon DSL is the better deal.

However, like someone said, DSL isn't nearly as prevalent.
andyor

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Portland, OR

Re: Hmmmm

What planet do you come from where phone service costs only $13 a month??? That must be WITHOUT another $12 that you'd pay for "surcharges" making the total phone+DSL cost more like $55. You must work for the phone company because they are the only people who would quote their prices the way you did, deliberately omitting all their bogus "surcharges". LIARS!

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Re: Well.....

I, on the other hand, would prefer slower speeds (not dial-up mind you, but not 8mbps+ either) for less money. I would love to be able to pay $25 a month for a 3mbps plan instead of $45 for 5mbps. I can think of plenty of things that I would spend the extra $20 a month on. (Or maybe I would even just stick the extra cash into my savings account for a rainy day.)
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Sounds like...

Verizon! $29.95 for 3mbit/768

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Re: Sounds like...

said by Jerm:

Verizon! $29.95 for 3mbit/768
That $30/mo DSL requires a 1 year contract which Comcast doesn't have and forces you to have a phone line making the actual cost around $50/mo + BS taxes.

If you read the fine print it says your price will return to the current rate after 1 year of service meaning that $30/mo will probably revert back to the $40 or $50/mo. Add the price of phone service to that and it'll cost a lot more in the long run.

Non cable tv subscribers of Comcast pay 57.95/mo.
If you subscribe to cable tv, it's $42.95/mo.

You're also not guaranteed the 3megabit since you're limited by your distance to the CO. With cable you're more likely to achieve your max speed.
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Re: Sounds like...

I have 29.95 a month, no contract, month to month :P I don't think new users can get such a deal anymore though. Hooray for grandfathering my price.
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Geminimind
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not no damn $77.95 internet is not that important to me I will stick with SBC. Comcast here in sacramento is the most expensive cable ever,and they really suck. Comcast is about more money and bad service.
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Yep . . . and that's exactly what Comcast is counting on!

It really rips me that in order to get into one of the new higher bandwidth tiers, I have to switch from limited cable ($15 a month) to basic cable ($44), or pay a higher for the bandwidth ($10 for 6 or $20 for 8)! It's really sad . . . weather I succumb to such treachery, only time will tell. In my opinion, paying $60 for cable plus Internet is way too much, but than again, that's just me!
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Re: Well.....

comcast is stupid plain and simple, I used to live where charter was the cable provider and did not get charged extra for not having cable. all comcast is about is money. and the cable sucks from comcast.
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Regulation Lowers Prices


The only competitive arrangement is for those fortunate enough to have Time Warner Cable. Thanks to government regulation during the initial AOL Time Warner merger, Earthlink and other ISPs were permitted to provide services across TW cable lines.

For those, as described in this article, who don't subscribe to cable TV, these competing carriers provide a MUCH better deal (often as much as $19 less per month) than the cable companies (in this case Time Warner) do.

I just wish there were some more regulation to reign in the Bells' voracious appetites as they continue to drive DSL CLECs out of existence.

I'm not a telco junkie -- if I've got some or all of this wrong I'm sure one of you folks will stop by to correct me!

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wuy3

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North Haven, CT

Price cuts my ...

60$ a month for 3MB/256 DSL... wheres the price war?
It certainly isn't in Nashville TN.

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Re: Price cuts my ...

said by wuy3:

60$ a month for 3MB/256 DSL... wheres the price war?
It certainly isn't in Nashville TN.
It's in Southern California, 3MB/768 DSL for $29.99....
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Re: Price cuts my ...

I just had my re-rated down to $24 a month for a 3MB line.

Jim Gurd
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Price war

This person doesn't know what he's talking about. Of course there is a price war going on. The DSL providers are slashing their prices not only as a promotional item but their regular prices are now lower than cable.

Comcast will be forced by the competitive pressure to cut their rates or else people will leave in droves for lower priced DSL. Not everyone wants or needs 8Mb speeds. I could live with 2Mb if it cuts my bill in half.

There WILL be price cuts on the cable side and I believe it will be sooner rather than later.
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Re: Price war

said by Jim Gurd:

There WILL be price cuts on the cable side and I believe it will be sooner rather than later.
And where were these price cuts the last five years? The next five will be the same. Not until FIOS moves into the neighborhood will cable companies lower their prices.
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Re: Price war

Cable companies don't lower prices. Ever.

When was the last time someone mentioned that their cable bill had gone down for the same services, even WITH the endless moaning and scare tactics about (and real lost revenue due to) satellite TV competition?

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P.S. Although, come to think of it, satellite TV bills never go down either. They just don't rise as readily as Bob Dole.

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said by Jim Gurd:

This person doesn't know what he's talking about. Of course there is a price war going on. The DSL providers are slashing their prices not only as a promotional item but their regular prices are now lower than cable.

Comcast will be forced by the competitive pressure to cut their rates or else people will leave in droves for lower priced DSL. Not everyone wants or needs 8Mb speeds. I could live with 2Mb if it cuts my bill in half.

There WILL be price cuts on the cable side and I believe it will be sooner rather than later.
The only one attempting this is Qwest, with stand alone dsl.
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said by Jim Gurd:

This person doesn't know what he's talking about. Of course there is a price war going on. The DSL providers are slashing their prices not only as a promotional item but their regular prices are now lower than cable.

Comcast will be forced by the competitive pressure to cut their rates or else people will leave in droves for lower priced DSL. Not everyone wants or needs 8Mb speeds. I could live with 2Mb if it cuts my bill in half.

There WILL be price cuts on the cable side and I believe it will be sooner rather than later.
Only if your in range of the local Telco CO. Most of us in Comcast land only have 1 choice for broadband.
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The problem with DSL is 75% of the people can not get it. I have to pay $60.95 a month for Comcrap because SBC can not provide DSL in my area. Until DSL is available to everyone you won't see a price war. Comcrap knows they got you and won't lower prices.

wonjiman

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I agree with you. I actually got a flier that advertised Comcast HSI (4mbps) $29.99 per month for 12 months. They have never offered deals for more than six months as far as I know. It looks like you will have to buy your cable modem as well.

prices change every

@nycmny.fios.verizon.

Competition and the lowst price of the season:

I'd rather see FULL deployment and support of current technology rather than a price war. The cable industry is under assault by the telcos who WILL get video capability and will HAVE to share the cable marketshare that they currently enjoy. For now, corporate scanals at both adelphia (cableco) and mci (telco) have forced indutry consolidation enough to satiate the lack of any future consolidation. But there will most probably be some sort of consolidation of the 'cablecos' as we currently know them because telcos will be gaining significant marketshare inroads for years to come. The first $'s of which is about to begin and accelerate (legislation pending).
The cable companies are in a price war with themselves, actually.. introductory deals, triple play deals, and whole lot of hoopla speding truckloads of money trying to maintain marketshare... all the while telcos are licking their chops at the potential customer gains to be made in VIDEO... If the telcos are smart they won't be bogged down by duplicating services already offered, but make some new content offerings that make cable look like an old style drive-in movie (but with $6 gas prices).

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Re: Competition and the lowst price of the season:


If the telcos are smart they won't be bogged down by duplicating services already offered, but make some new content offerings that make cable look like an old style drive-in movie


I've got to know, what services do you think that the telcos will deploy in the near to mid future that will make Cable's on-going roll-out of VOD, HD, DVR video services "look like an old style drive-in movie"?

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I disagree. The cable companies will eventually realise how easy it is to deploy FTTH on their networks. They already have massive amounts of bandwidth over Coax. Once this happens, the telcos will be destroyed.
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fgrir

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Re: Competition and the lowst price of the season:

said by Time:

I disagree. The cable companies will eventually realise how easy it is to deploy FTTH on their networks. They already have massive amounts of bandwidth over Coax. Once this happens, the telcos will be destroyed.
Cable co's. hsi can't exist without telco's, Cable co's use there backbone. If people want more affordable hsi you need to support whose actually bringing it to you. People think cable prices are high now, wait till there regulated like the telco's.As far as bandwidth is concerned, Yea they have alot of "shared" bandwidth. I have cable and I constantly lag when I'm gaming. Telco's give you a dedicated line witch is one of the reasons that dsl will always be superior to cable.

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Enough

The peoples pockets can only go so deep.
Keep raising the prices out of reach of common man.
Watch your numbers dwindle .See the masses move to the cheaper price. What it all comes down to is the Biggest Bang For The Buck! Who can give me the most for the least!
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Comcast is Just ..... Us

Sorry to say 62 a month are higher if you dont have cable is BS think about it 20 more bucks and you can get cable LOL and internet i think there kinda pushing people into paying for content thay dont want so that make the price of there HSI high but then again i can get dishnetwork in 3 rooms for 70 and get the top 180 and have every i have with comcast for the same price 50-60 bucks for stable tv services then thay have the buy back thang for cable sat ... if you switch thay give ya a killer deal for 1 year then jack ya up to over 100 bucks for just digi cable i think comcast knows thay own most of the market share and thay know thay can do what thay want

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Not in La-La Land

Though not a customer of Comcast (not in my area anyway), it would be nice to see the price of broadband to go down! There is only one cable company around this joint, & that's Charter. However, DSL have the upperhand. There are many companies offering DSL, thus lower, more competitive costs. I am just screwed as far as cable is concerned! :p
bhorow

join:2004-05-17
Forest Hills, NY

Value War

There is no price war, but a value war. While there not lowering the prices, what your getting for those prices is what is the battle.

I don"t know everything about comcast's pricing, but with Time Warner cable. You can get earthlink at LOW PRICE if you don"t have cable. Comcast doesnt"t offer other isp's to there service.

The prices of 29.95 44.95 ARE NOT to get lower...But The speeds that you get are likely to continue to change.

If cable is not willing to compete on Value It will loose to fios.
ebiebi

join:2003-08-13
Albuquerque, NM

Just switched

Well I jumped on the new Qwest 1.5 promo that started Sunday. Signed up on Sunday and they said it would be connected on the 14. Tech called on 14 and said he hooked me up.. When I got home last night modem was at my doorstep. This morning I hooked up the modem and it works perfectly. This DSL service only cost 24.95 a month for a year. I was paying 58 dollars with my CC HSI. So I am saving allot. Upload is better with Qwest and download much slower but when web surfing I can't tell the difference. Price is definitely a factor here.

The only thing I can say about Comcast is that you will pay allot of money for their services. Either way, if you only order their HSI you pay up the noise. If you think you are getting a discount with them by subbing to their crap TV, your wrong. I have Dish with top 120 including sirus radio with dual tuner receiver and HD 811 receiver for a total of three tv's. This with my Qwest DSL runs about 75 dollars a month. If I got Comcast expanded basic (all analog) with HSI My total would be just over 100 dollars a month... and that has allot less channels then I have now with no interactive guide and no audio music channels. If I got something that would match my dish setup like digital plus and HSI that total would swell to 135 bucks a month. Which is approaching twice what I pay now for TV/DSL. Either way, with or without cable tv and HSI you will pay more. Cable prices have been off the hook, out of hand for quite awhile. And Comcast just sent me another rate increase card starting Aug 1 05 (3 dollars). This is the second increase for the year. All the channels they said they added were there when I last had expanded a few months back.. its more then out of hand.. Really glad Qwest is getting more competitive in my market. Regardless of what some may think of Qwest DSL, its running very smooth now and they got me up and running in 4 working days without a single hitch.
songman1951

join:2005-04-03
Perry, OK

Overseas Broadband

NO PRICE WARS HERE!!! I heard on Fox Radio that in many other countries you can get Broadband 8-10 times faster than ours for $10 or less per Month !! That's where ALL of us are getting RIPPED OFF!!! Our elected officials need to know that WE know it!!

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I don't know about other areas, but in Las Vegas, we has a choice of COX cable and SPRINT DSL. Here's the price break down for the TOP level of service for each.

COX - 5Mbps/768Kbps - $49.99 with cable tv, $59.99 without. NO CONTRACT!
SPRINT - 3Mbps/384Kbps - $45.99 with phone service, $59.99 without, and a 2 year contract required.

Not a hard choice in my book.

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